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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: relic]
    #25530522 - 10/11/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The Familiy unit, religion, and unequal male distribution in positions of power and jobs.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #25531696 - 10/12/18 08:28 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I’m a strong independent white man and that’s why I’m scared to death one of these beta cuck snowflakes will shove me.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #25531698 - 10/12/18 08:30 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Are all ANTIFA members anarchists?





We need to quit calling them anarchists.  They're violent communists who adopted the term to sound edgy.




Yeah anyone who does that is a moron. Ain’t that right, “crazy fucker?”


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25531784 - 10/12/18 09:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I’m a strong independent white man and that’s why I’m scared to death one of these beta cuck snowflakes will shove me.




Thanks for telling us your true feelings on the subject matter- every demographic outside of white males can embrace victimization.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25531953 - 10/12/18 10:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Every other demo is an oppressed minority, so yeah, basically. Glad you’re finally catching on dude, proud of you.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25532032 - 10/12/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Every other demo is an oppressed minority, so yeah, basically. Glad you’re finally catching on dude, proud of you.




Yeah, those "oppressed" minorities are enjoying a first world standard of living that's higher than 95% of all humans today, how do they manage? 

One would think that since the "oppression" is so bad that they would choose to leave the country, but that's not the case. In fact, minorities are risking their lives to move to the US.

How do the oppressed Jews and Asians manage in the US?  :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25532098 - 10/12/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, those "oppressed" minorities are enjoying a first world standard of living that's higher than 95% of all humans today




nobody cares about how 95% of other humans around the world are living when they're trying to feed their families, make the rent payment, and scrounge up money for an alternator to fix their duct taped car and make it to work because if they call out they're liable to be fired.

this is the kind of point where you run off the rails, man, and i'm pretty sure you know it but do it anyway.  do you really think that poor minorities care how much 'better' they have it than factory workers in indonesia while scraping by in their daily lives? 


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One would think that since the "oppression" is so bad that they would choose to leave the country, but that's not the case. In fact, minorities are risking their lives to move to the US.




again, they're busy trying to hold onto that thread that's barely keeping them afloat.  the people who are risking their lives to move to the US have lost their threads and are no longer floating; they're sinking and have to do something, anything.

besides that, the people coming here are, by and large, walking here.  where are minorities in the US going to walk to?   


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:rofl2:




i hope your floor gets cleaned often because you roll around on it a lot.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: relic]
    #25532125 - 10/12/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:

Yeah, those "oppressed" minorities are enjoying a first world standard of living that's higher than 95% of all humans today




nobody cares about how 95% of other humans around the world are living when they're trying to feed their families, make the rent payment, and scrounge up money for an alternator to fix their duct taped car and make it to work because if they call out they're liable to be fired.

this is the kind of point where you run off the rails, man, and i'm pretty sure you know it but do it anyway.  do you really think that poor minorities care how much 'better' they have it than factory workers in indonesia while scraping by in their daily lives? 


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One would think that since the "oppression" is so bad that they would choose to leave the country, but that's not the case. In fact, minorities are risking their lives to move to the US.




again, they're busy trying to hold onto that thread that's barely keeping them afloat.  the people who are risking their lives to move to the US have lost their threads and are no longer floating; they're sinking and have to do something, anything.

besides that, the people coming here are, by and large, walking here.  where are minorities in the US going to walk to?   





I don't know how many "oppressed" minorities in the US care about the real poverty that exists in the world because they have people like Ecstatic constantly telling them how they're "victims" living in a "white culture". 

You seem to think their lack of perspective somehow makes it less revelant, it doesn't.  The fact of matter is they do have it better than 95% of the human population. I know that reality destroys the narrative of being a "victim" of Western culture, but so be it.

"where are minorities in the US going to walk to"

They're not going anywhere. despite all of the crying and whining about "oppression", the vast majority wouldn't leave "white culture" to return to their homelands. They all know the deal.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: relic] * 1
    #25532158 - 10/12/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

JHOVA said:
The Familiy unit, religion, and unequal male distribution in positions of power and jobs.




thanks for the answer.

antifa hates the family unit?  why would antifascists hate families (that aren't comprised of fascists)? 

i can understand antifa disliking a completely fabricated fantasy that is used by highly structured entities to control people, aka religion.  many antifa members seem to be anarchists so it's only natural they'd try to tear down that organized power structure.  it's my hope that most rational people question fantasies that are designed to control people.

likewise, i also hope that people everywhere question unequal male distribution in positions of power.  while men and women in the workplace has nothing to do with the focus of antifascists, it's a good cause to get behind.  if those men are the most capable and qualified for the job, then they pass the test.  if they're not most qualified then examining that structure and fighting for change is the right thing to do.

i don't think you have a good grasp on what it means to be an antifascist.  likewise, i think that some would-be activists also have little understanding of the historical role of antifascists around the world and what it means to be antifa in this age.  you have to remember that 'antifa' isn't an organized unit with a mission statement; they're completely decentralized.  because of that, we hear about this group or that group being labeled antifa and sometimes they're just black clad activists.  sometimes they label themselves an antifa group/troupe/gang/whatever and they're doing nothing to combat fascism, but that doesn't make them representative of the antifascist movement as a whole.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25532214 - 10/12/18 12:40 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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You seem to think their lack of perspective somehow makes it less revelant, it doesn't.  The fact of matter is they do have it better than 95% of the human population.




their lack of perspective does indeed make the rest of the world's conditions irrelevant...to them.  their reality is all that matters to them when fighting for their job or a place to live.  it matters not that people in other countries are in worse shape than they are.

granted, an academic discussion about it is different matter, but to the poor minority american, the reality of his or her every day life is the only thing of relevance. 


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I know that reality destroys the narrative of being a "victim" of Western culture, but so be it.




in no way or form does the fact that people NOT in a western country--and as such not being potentially oppressed by any western system--refute any argument about the plight of minorities in western countries.

your statement is like saying there are people all over the world struggling to get clean drinking water so lead in the water in detroit isn't a problem.  but there are people all over the world who don't have clean water, what are those people in detroit worrying about?!?


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despite all of the crying and whining




nice hyperbolic rhetoric.  your dishonesty is unappreciated when trying to have a discussion.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: relic]
    #25532283 - 10/12/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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relic said:
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qman said:

You seem to think their lack of perspective somehow makes it less revelant, it doesn't.  The fact of matter is they do have it better than 95% of the human population.




their lack of perspective does indeed make the rest of the world's conditions irrelevant...to them.  their reality is all that matters to them when fighting for their job or a place to live.  it matters not that people in other countries are in worse shape than they are.

granted, an academic discussion about it is different matter, but to the poor minority american, the reality of his or her every day life is the only thing of relevance. 


Quote:

qman said:
I know that reality destroys the narrative of being a "victim" of Western culture, but so be it.




in no way or form does the fact that people NOT in a western country--and as such not being potentially oppressed by any western system--refute any argument about the plight of minorities in western countries.

your statement is like saying there are people all over the world struggling to get clean drinking water so lead in the water in detroit isn't a problem.  but there are people all over the world who don't have clean water, what are those people in detroit worrying about?!?





It's called maintaining a proper perspective on the subject matter, it's not calling for ignoring obvious issues.

With that being said, how are economic struggles in the West isolated to non-white citizens?  That clearly isn't the case and that negates most of the points you were attempting to demonstrate.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: relic]
    #25532289 - 10/12/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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relic said:
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JHOVA said:
The Familiy unit, religion, and unequal male distribution in positions of power and jobs.




thanks for the answer.

antifa hates the family unit?  why would antifascists hate families (that aren't comprised of fascists)? 

i can understand antifa disliking a completely fabricated fantasy that is used by highly structured entities to control people, aka religion.  many antifa members seem to be anarchists so it's only natural they'd try to tear down that organized power structure.  it's my hope that most rational people question fantasies that are designed to control people.

likewise, i also hope that people everywhere question unequal male distribution in positions of power.  while men and women in the workplace has nothing to do with the focus of antifascists, it's a good cause to get behind.  if those men are the most capable and qualified for the job, then they pass the test.  if they're not most qualified then examining that structure and fighting for change is the right thing to do.

i don't think you have a good grasp on what it means to be an antifascist.  likewise, i think that some would-be activists also have little understanding of the historical role of antifascists around the world and what it means to be antifa in this age.  you have to remember that 'antifa' isn't an organized unit with a mission statement; they're completely decentralized.  because of that, we hear about this group or that group being labeled antifa and sometimes they're just black clad activists.  sometimes they label themselves an antifa group/troupe/gang/whatever and they're doing nothing to combat fascism, but that doesn't make them representative of the antifascist movement as a whole.




Should we address ALL areas of "unequal distribution positions of power" based on demographics?  It sounds like a never ending task.

Edited by qman (10/12/18 01:15 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #25532360 - 10/12/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Probably because people like you deny the existence of that inequality on its face.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25532361 - 10/12/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Same reason we can’t do anything about climate change: half the country denies it even exists.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25532385 - 10/12/18 02:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I believe the climate is changing, but I don't think humans contribute as much as we think. Someone here tried to tell me that humans are responsible for 100% of the change.

I call bullshit.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25532594 - 10/12/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Probably because people like you deny the existence of that inequality on its face.




No, most of the inequalities are easy to demonstrate. The issue starts with WHY those discrepancies exist.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25532621 - 10/12/18 03:35 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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relic said:
Quote:

qman said:

You seem to think their lack of perspective somehow makes it less revelant, it doesn't.  The fact of matter is they do have it better than 95% of the human population.




their lack of perspective does indeed make the rest of the world's conditions irrelevant...to them.  their reality is all that matters to them when fighting for their job or a place to live.  it matters not that people in other countries are in worse shape than they are.

granted, an academic discussion about it is different matter, but to the poor minority american, the reality of his or her every day life is the only thing of relevance. 


Quote:

qman said:
I know that reality destroys the narrative of being a "victim" of Western culture, but so be it.




in no way or form does the fact that people NOT in a western country--and as such not being potentially oppressed by any western system--refute any argument about the plight of minorities in western countries.

your statement is like saying there are people all over the world struggling to get clean drinking water so lead in the water in detroit isn't a problem.  but there are people all over the world who don't have clean water, what are those people in detroit worrying about?!?





It's called maintaining a proper perspective on the subject matter, it's not calling for ignoring obvious issues.




sure, poor people should fill their bellies with the fact that there are poorer people the world over. 


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qman said:
With that being said, how are economic struggles in the West isolated to non-white citizens? 




who argued that?


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That clearly isn't the case and that negates most of the points you were attempting to demonstrate.





and once again, you've refuted nothing except a narrative that isn't in this thread.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25532628 - 10/12/18 03:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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relic said:
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JHOVA said:
The Familiy unit, religion, and unequal male distribution in positions of power and jobs.




thanks for the answer.

antifa hates the family unit?  why would antifascists hate families (that aren't comprised of fascists)? 

i can understand antifa disliking a completely fabricated fantasy that is used by highly structured entities to control people, aka religion.  many antifa members seem to be anarchists so it's only natural they'd try to tear down that organized power structure.  it's my hope that most rational people question fantasies that are designed to control people.

likewise, i also hope that people everywhere question unequal male distribution in positions of power.  while men and women in the workplace has nothing to do with the focus of antifascists, it's a good cause to get behind.  if those men are the most capable and qualified for the job, then they pass the test.  if they're not most qualified then examining that structure and fighting for change is the right thing to do.

i don't think you have a good grasp on what it means to be an antifascist.  likewise, i think that some would-be activists also have little understanding of the historical role of antifascists around the world and what it means to be antifa in this age.  you have to remember that 'antifa' isn't an organized unit with a mission statement; they're completely decentralized.  because of that, we hear about this group or that group being labeled antifa and sometimes they're just black clad activists.  sometimes they label themselves an antifa group/troupe/gang/whatever and they're doing nothing to combat fascism, but that doesn't make them representative of the antifascist movement as a whole.




Should we address ALL areas of "unequal distribution positions of power" based on demographics?  It sounds like a never ending task.




we should multitask.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: XUL] * 1
    #25532631 - 10/12/18 03:44 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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XUL said:
I believe the climate is changing, but I don't think humans contribute as much as we think. Someone here tried to tell me that humans are responsible for 100% of the change.





humans are clearly the major cause of our warming climate.  i agree that humans don't account for exactly 100% of the warming, but does the percentage matter?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #25532679 - 10/12/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Probably because people like you deny the existence of that inequality on its face.




No, most of the inequalities are easy to demonstrate. The issue starts with WHY those discrepancies exist.




You can say “no, actually...” all you want but its easy to see that a great deal of society’s problems are woefully unaddressed based on the simple fact that too many people are ignorant of it. Either they don’t have the information for a variety of reasons, or they do, and reject it for a variety of reasons. Climate change is one example.


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