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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
#24013916 - 01/16/17 07:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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good luck, youll need it.
stop flaming please.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
#24014005 - 01/16/17 08:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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viktor, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with Malkuthian. He's been spreading the same false propaganda on a swedish psychedelic forum for years. He will use his rhetoric to make you seem like the bad guy and make the thread to go off topic. (So that the important message will not get through). You are absolutely correct about the current situation in Sweden. And yes, it's because of the invasion of islam.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iaxaxa] 2
#24014017 - 01/16/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iaxaxa] 2
#24014052 - 01/16/17 08:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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iaxaxa said: viktor, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with Malkuthian. He's been spreading the same false propaganda on a swedish psychedelic forum for years. He will use his rhetoric to make you seem like the bad guy and make the thread to go off topic. (So that the important message will not get through). You are absolutely correct about the current situation in Sweden. And yes, it's because of the invasion of islam.
I am spreading propaganda? I am simply responding to statements from others, here and at the forum you are referring to. I never started treads about migration, I have no agenda to push on others (as stated several times I do not quite know were I stand in this question, generally), I simply will raise my voice when others make claims I do not agree with, or spread propaganda or misinformation. I do not have the same views as you do, that does not make my opinions propaganda. So cut the bullshit and bring fourth some actual arguments, instead of starting an off topic discussion... Wait a minute now, who is doing that again?
Based on your post I would assume you are "sol", in which case you are the one spreading propaganda: Anti Jew, Anti Islam, "Hitler was a great guy if the Nazis have won the world would be a hippy community".
And what is the important message that I am trying to hide here, that Muslims are inbreed mongrels? Yet again empty words. Can you back up your accusations?
...So do you have any arguments or are you just here to act up ...again?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
#24014063 - 01/16/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like you guys have a past internet relationship, how nice. 
BTW, don't quote his alleged past statements from another website, let him speak for himself on this site.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24014135 - 01/16/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.dw.com/en/longtime-merkel-critic-resigns-from-cdu-over-migrants/a-37136072
"Steinbach, who is the Christian Democrats Union's human rights spokesperson has stepped down from the party...accusing the government of deliberately promoting illegal migration"
"At the Federal Office for Migration, thousands of thousands of passports have been identified as counterfeit, without legal consequences for the respective migrants being drawn. There is political will behind it."
"Steinbach told "WaS" that the asylum law had been abused, allowing "terrorists" to infiltrate the system"
Looks like Merkel is finding herself all alone at this point.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 2
#24014148 - 01/16/17 09:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean by alone?
"Fifty-four percent of the poll's respondents said they were very satisfied or satisfied with Merkel's political performance" http://www.dw.com/en/support-for-merkel-rebounds-in-latest-poll/a-35984981
"Most Germans want Angela Merkel to serve fourth term as leader, poll indicates" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-fourth-term-poll-germany-leader-chancellor-announcement-cdu-latest-a7428196.html
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
#24014182 - 01/16/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.dw.com/en/nationwide-german-poll-merkels-popularity-dips-to-five-year-low/a-19521704
"She is ranked just sixth on the popularity scale among German politicians. The general polarization evident on the issue of refugee politics is reflected in the question as to another term for Merkel: a majority would rather not see her as chancellor once more."
Bottom line, she lost a lot of political support from her stance on illegal migration into the EU.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 3
#24014278 - 01/16/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The article I posted (from the same web page) is newer than the one you posted. I.e. she regained support after the article you posted was written.
But yea, she has lost support overall, that's not quite the same as being "alone" though. I just wanted to point our your exaggeration because you constantly exaggerate. And that I think is a big problem: it makes problems much bigger than they actually are. You spread fear based on such misconceptions. There has to be some balance in this, some strive towards objectivity. Not the kind of exaggerations your making. I think there are a lot of similarities between your posts and sensational headlines / click bait.
You are portraying a picture of a Merkel who has lost a battle and is standing alone to be laughed at. This fits your agenda. But is this really the case? If the immigrant unfriendly parties would have as much support as she does you would claim they are victorious and what they are saying are undeniable truths.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
#24014323 - 01/16/17 10:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel
You have to understand the starting point, the AfD party didn't even exist until 2013, there was no need for an anti-migration party, now it's a party with real strong support.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-05/german-anti-immigrant-party-beats-merkel-party-in-her-home-state/7813250
The point is- where will this party be in the next 2-3 years, the trend is obviously up.
Merkel had been a very popular politician for many years, the fact that many of her once long time supporters are shifting away from her because of this one issue is very significant, I don't think these facts are any sort of exaggeration.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 1
#24014332 - 01/16/17 10:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you say something is trending up when it didn't exist 4 years ago?
Trending up from nonexistence? Certainly. But the existence of the party, and its rise, is due explicitly to the migrant crisis, and the domestic reactions. Much like the tea party in the US, it will fizzle and die once the base gets their tempers under control.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24014363 - 01/16/17 11:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: How can you say something is trending up when it didn't exist 4 years ago?
Trending up from nonexistence? Certainly. But the existence of the party, and its rise, is due explicitly to the migrant crisis, and the domestic reactions. Much like the tea party in the US, it will fizzle and die once the base gets their tempers under control.
So this party and its concerns are based on "tempers" that are out of control and not on issues taking place on the ground?
I don't see how the issues of migrant domestic crime, terrorism, Muslim no go zones, massive migrant unemployment, financial burdens and a clash of cultures goes away. If anything, it's going to get even worse.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24014481 - 01/16/17 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Their tempers are a product of the issues on the ground.
Again, you're attaching assumptions to my posts.
The issues are issues. The responses to them are not all correct, some not even justified.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#24014483 - 01/16/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The poor, white nationalists in Europe will be taken advantage of by the leaders they elect in the same way that the tea parties were here.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24014533 - 01/16/17 12:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Their tempers are a product of the issues on the ground.
Again, you're attaching assumptions to my posts.
The issues are issues. The responses to them are not all correct, some not even justified.
"you're attaching assumption to my posts"
Did you not say, "once the base gets their tempers under control" How is it an assumption on my part to state that you suggested their tempers are currently out of control?
"Their tempers are a product of the issues on the ground"
I agree, so why did you suggest their tempers will "fizzle and die"? Is something going to change?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24014537 - 01/16/17 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: The poor, white nationalists in Europe will be taken advantage of by the leaders they elect in the same way that the tea parties were here.
If deporting illegal migrants and enforcing borders is being "taken advantage of" they will be just fine.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 2
#24014551 - 01/16/17 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Their tempers are a product of the issues on the ground.
Again, you're attaching assumptions to my posts.
The issues are issues. The responses to them are not all correct, some not even justified.
"you're attaching assumption to my posts"
Did you not say, "once the base gets their tempers under control" How is it an assumption on my part to state that you suggested their tempers are currently out of control?
Because you assume that I don't believe their tempers are well founded, or that there isn't a legitimate reason to have a temper.
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The Ecstatic said: The poor, white nationalists in Europe will be taken advantage of by the leaders they elect in the same way that the tea parties were here.
If deporting illegal migrants and enforcing borders is being "taken advantage of" they will be just fine.
Is that what the tea party caucus did here? Or did they use their power to further fuck over the working class?
Save the strawmen. You know I'm right. These politicians don't give a fuck about the people that elected them. They will piss and moan about immigration because its a problem they can't solve. As soon as it goes away, their base will have no reason to elect them. It is in their best interest to keep these issues intact.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24014584 - 01/16/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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To me the Tea Party didn't really even have a political platform, that's why it fell apart. Did they fuck over the working class? I don't know, maybe you have some examples?
"its a problem they can't solve"
Why is that? Are they unwilling to help solve it or is it logistically impossible from your perspective?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24014600 - 01/16/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably both, honestly.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iaxaxa]
#24015208 - 01/16/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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iaxaxa said: viktor, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with Malkuthian. He's been spreading the same false propaganda on a swedish psychedelic forum for years. He will use his rhetoric to make you seem like the bad guy and make the thread to go off topic. (So that the important message will not get through). You are absolutely correct about the current situation in Sweden. And yes, it's because of the invasion of islam.
Yeah I wondered why he's so angry and calling me a liar all the time.
I am surprised at the division between honest Swedes who admit what is happening and guys like Malkuthian who still repeat 1990s Sapo propaganda about how all the immigrants are fitting in nicely.
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