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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24004229 - 01/12/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: what I find interesting is that qman can see how European populations can be increasingly pushed to more conservative and violent positions under pressure, but he can't seem to see the parallels in other countries in the same way.
If you have specifics please state them, otherwise nobody has a clue what your broad generalizations are attempting to conclude. 
literally everyone knows exactly what he's saying. he's talking about how "democracy" being foisted into the middle east is what caused alot of the migrant crisis- not to mention the rest of the oil-grab business.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004269 - 01/12/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: what I find interesting is that qman can see how European populations can be increasingly pushed to more conservative and violent positions under pressure, but he can't seem to see the parallels in other countries in the same way.
If you have specifics please state them, otherwise nobody has a clue what your broad generalizations are attempting to conclude. 
literally everyone knows exactly what he's saying. he's talking about how "democracy" being foisted into the middle east is what caused alot of the migrant crisis- not to mention the rest of the oil-grab business.
What does hundreds of thousands of African's flooding into the EU have to do with the Iraq War? Nothing.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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it has to do with the fact that ISIS caused the initial refugee crisis, and the economic migrants from Africa followed suit with said refugee migration.
think...just do a modicum of thinking.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004328 - 01/12/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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think...just do a modicum of thinking.
"migrants from Africa followed suit"
Exactly, they saw the open door and took advantage of the opportunity. It's what humans do when they seek a higher standard of living.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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and everytime it's just the bestest.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24004500 - 01/12/17 03:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prem. Kissoff said: Tribalism is a very basic human instinct. The "far-right" (as if there is a meek and modest right) plays to this, its like Colt 45...works every time.
I agree about tribalism, with that being said why do many people attempt to force "cultural diversity" down everyone's throat?
"The 'far-right' plays to this...works every time."
The conservative parties are finally acknowledging the massive miscalculations of the US/EU immigration policies that the majority of the general populations already knew to be true, I don't know how that is playing anyone.
How does one "force cultural diversity down everyone's throat?"
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 3
#24006433 - 01/13/17 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sweden-democrats-far-right-trump-brexit-le-pen-cant-blame-inequality-a7433966.html
"Sweden Democrats has risen to 21.5 percent...Social Democrats, with 25.7 percent of support"
Looks like the Mal might find himself in the minority when it comes to his views on immigration in his country.
21,5 should be compared with the percentage of people not agreeing with their immigration policies, not with one specific party. The rest of the parties disagree with them to I.e 21,5% vs 78,5%...
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viktor said: But you've got people in this very thread still arguing that the majority of their countrymen want hordes more Muslims driving their own working class out of their traditional neighbourhoods.
We do? What a bunch of retards. Who are they? Please tell me so I can argue against such preposterous statements.
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viktor said: I have a lot of neo-Nazis in my own family, since I'm pretty trashy. So I have an insight into the psychology of the neo-Nazi that the globetrotting elitists like Tipote and his ilk do not have.
How about me? I was hanging around with neo-Nazis for 4 years in my early 20's. Being a Black metal and NSBM (National Socialist black metal) guy back then. Can I has insights?
Globetrotting can on the other hand give you a perspective which is hard to obtain whilst hanging around your neo-Nazi family in a village. How do you manage to even hint that traveling and seeing other cultures would be some sort of negative influence in debates regarding cultures mixing? That's just beyond fucked up.
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viktor said: When I say that opening the borders was a colossal, monstrous, civilisation-defining mistake, I am neither kidding nor exaggerating.
We already know your ideas a radical, there's no need for you to underline in. And I really don't understand what "opening the boarders" mean...When did this happen?
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If you have specifics please state them, otherwise nobody has a clue what your broad generalizations are attempting to conclude. 
What? That wasn't broad generalizations. That was a description of your generalized thinking, which is a bit to selective, to say the least; a spot on description of your line of thinking.
A very good observation by Tipote!
Reminds me of a long post I posted earlier in this thread regarding radicalization. To bad no one gave that post a proper answer...
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24006547 - 01/13/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prem. Kissoff said: Tribalism is a very basic human instinct. The "far-right" (as if there is a meek and modest right) plays to this, its like Colt 45...works every time.
I agree about tribalism, with that being said why do many people attempt to force "cultural diversity" down everyone's throat?
"The 'far-right' plays to this...works every time."
The conservative parties are finally acknowledging the massive miscalculations of the US/EU immigration policies that the majority of the general populations already knew to be true, I don't know how that is playing anyone.
How does one "force cultural diversity down everyone's throat?"
Affirmative action, quotas, open borders, illegal immigration, political correctness, "hate" speech, ect.
What happens when someone says that want the existing borders and immigration laws enforced? They get labeled a "racist", "bigot", "ignorant", and even "deplorable".
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24006677 - 01/13/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The rest of the parties disagree with them...78.5%"
I hardly think the rest of the parties don't want restriction on immigration. Either way, the trend is very telling and it's very similar to the trend changes in the UK, US, Germany and France.
"That wasn't broad generalizations"
Yeah it was, "can't seem to see the parallels in other countries" is a generalization. What "parallels"?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#24006757 - 01/13/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i thought my point was quite self-explanatory - everyone else seems to have got it at least. The point is that you can see pressures on one society and how it changes them, but you cannot see the same or similar processes happening in other places, or perhaps you just deny those peoples' agency?
An example... Neoliberalism has hurt and angered populations in the Western world, perhaps it does the same in other parts of the world? The same could be said of..terrorism, occupation, colonisation, slavery, imposing ideologies, poverty etc etc.
is that clear enough for you now?
The Indian PM Modhi is the Indian Trump, these phenomena are global.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
#24006768 - 01/13/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: i thought my point was quite self-explanatory - everyone else seems to have got it at least. The point is that you can see pressures on one society and how it changes them, but you cannot see the same or similar processes happening in other places, or perhaps you just deny those peoples' agency?
An example... Neoliberalism has hurt and angered populations in the Western world, perhaps it does the same in other parts of the world? The same could be said of..terrorism, occupation, colonisation, slavery, imposing ideologies, poverty etc etc.
is that clear enough for you now?
The Indian PM Modhi is the Indian Trump, these phenomena are global.
Thank you for the specifics, that's all I was asking for in the first place, with that being said, why did you suggest I "can't seem to see" these obvious events that are taking place in the world today?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 3
#24006782 - 01/13/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prem. Kissoff said: Tribalism is a very basic human instinct. The "far-right" (as if there is a meek and modest right) plays to this, its like Colt 45...works every time.
I agree about tribalism, with that being said why do many people attempt to force "cultural diversity" down everyone's throat?
"The 'far-right' plays to this...works every time."
The conservative parties are finally acknowledging the massive miscalculations of the US/EU immigration policies that the majority of the general populations already knew to be true, I don't know how that is playing anyone.
How does one "force cultural diversity down everyone's throat?"
Affirmative action, quotas, open borders, illegal immigration, political correctness, "hate" speech, ect.
What happens when someone says that want the existing borders and immigration laws enforced? They get labeled a "racist", "bigot", "ignorant", and even "deplorable".
What does that have to do with being forced to accept cultural diversity? Affirmativr action is about countering racial discrimination. You make it seem like employers who hire blacks also need to read up on King Selassie and watch The Roots in its entirety. Same goes for borders. None of this has to do with culture.
I mean, seriously, political correctness? What in the fuck does that have to do with cultural diversity?
"I can't use racial epithets without a public backlash so that means I'm being FORCED TO accept their culture. South Americans illegally crossing into my country means I'm being forced to appreciate mariachis."
You don't have to like anybody's culture. You can even hate it. But you dont get to say its being forced down your throat simply because different people exist near you.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] 3
#24006801 - 01/13/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Sweden Democrats has risen to 21.5 percent...Social Democrats, with 25.7 percent of support"
Looks like the Mal might find himself in the minority when it comes to his views on immigration in his country.
21,5 should be compared with the percentage of people not agreeing with their immigration policies, not with one specific party. The rest of the parties disagree with them to I.e 21,5% vs 78,5%...
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I hardly think the rest of the parties don't want restriction on immigration. Either way, the trend is very telling and it's very similar to the trend changes in the UK, US, Germany and France.
Are you trying as hard as you can to debate dishonestly or what is happening here?
You makes claims that my views are soon a minority based on the fact that the sweden democrats has risen to 21,5% which is almost as much as the social democrats.
The social democrats and the rest of the parties, i.e. 78,5%, are against the immigration ideas of the sweden democrats, but they still do want to restrict immigration (how much differs between the parties off course). Maybe one of the smallest parties (<6%) wants are more or less open boarders, but even that is a stretch...
How am I soon a part of a minority because one of those parties almost have less votes than the sweden democrats?
Please bring fourth that A in logic.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] 2
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If America was forcing you to listen to hip hop, or learn Islamic prayers, or any other culture specific item, you might have a point.
Alas, you dont. Because nobody is forcing you to accept anybody else's culture.
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Muslims in this country have free speech to call us infidels. We have free speech to call that stupid. We have free speech to call them ignorant goat fuckers. We have free speech to call those people racists. We have free speech to cry about people calling us racist.
See how that works?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Prem. Kissoff said: Tribalism is a very basic human instinct. The "far-right" (as if there is a meek and modest right) plays to this, its like Colt 45...works every time.
I agree about tribalism, with that being said why do many people attempt to force "cultural diversity" down everyone's throat?
"The 'far-right' plays to this...works every time."
The conservative parties are finally acknowledging the massive miscalculations of the US/EU immigration policies that the majority of the general populations already knew to be true, I don't know how that is playing anyone.
How does one "force cultural diversity down everyone's throat?"
Affirmative action, quotas, open borders, illegal immigration, political correctness, "hate" speech, ect.
What happens when someone says that want the existing borders and immigration laws enforced? They get labeled a "racist", "bigot", "ignorant", and even "deplorable".
What does that have to do with being forced to accept cultural diversity? Affirmativr action is about countering racial discrimination. You make it seem like employers who hire blacks also need to read up on King Selassie and watch The Roots in its entirety. Same goes for borders. None of this has to do with culture.
Nobody said you had to like it. The far right's rise in Europe is evidence of that.
"Affirmative action is about countering racial discrimination"
That's your opinion, but it actually forces "cultural diversity" on people, in fact AA doesn't counter racial discrimination because it mandates racial discrimination.
"Same goes for borders. None of this has to do with culture"
Really, having 20-30 million illegals in the US doesn't impact the culture? That's a real interesting perspective.
I don't have issue with people that are "cultural diversity" advocates, just don't support polices (Affirmative Action, quotas, open borders) that force it down my throat.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 4
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Show me one example where affirmative action resulted in people being forced to incorporate others' cultures into their own.
Illegal immigrants does impact the culture. Well done. Now, is anyone being forced to call soccer futbol? Or take siestas?
Again, nobody is forcing you to accept anybody's culture. People arent crossing the rio grande to come impose some latino version of sharia law. This is such an idiotic concept.
But "cultural diversity" is one of those things the alt right is supposed to despise, so its no surprise you stand where you stand. Its such an ignorant concept. There hasnt been a homogenous culture on this planet in hundreds upon hundreds of years, if not thousands. There is no original culture. Stop being so scared to death of everything different than you.
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If you think that your culture is superior, then you have nothing to worry about. If anything, be excited.
And for the record, Islam is stupid. But nobody is forcing it on me. If it really bothers you that much, stop spending 20 hours a week reading about Islam and Islamists.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24007791 - 01/13/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Show me one example where affirmative action resulted in people being forced to incorporate others' cultures into their own.
Illegal immigrants does impact the culture. Well done. Now, is anyone being forced to call soccer futbol? Or take siestas?
Again, nobody is forcing you to accept anybody's culture. People arent crossing the rio grande to come impose some latino version of sharia law. This is such an idiotic concept.
But "cultural diversity" is one of those things the alt right is supposed to despise, so its no surprise you stand where you stand. Its such an ignorant concept. There hasnt been a homogenous culture on this planet in hundreds upon hundreds of years, if not thousands. There is no original culture. Stop being so scared to death of everything different than you.
You do understand why I always put "cultural diversity" in quotation? Yet you're arguing the literal definition of the phrase.
I put the words into quotation because it's a phrase the left uses to push an agenda, it has nothing to do with other cultures and it has everything to do with trying to destroy white European culture.
Promoters of "cultural diversity" try to convince us that ALL immigration is necessary, that taking in people from all over the world is needed, that placing judgment on other cultures is bigotry, and that Anglo culture is toxic and "cultural diversity" is what's best for us, but we can see with the Brexit and Trump results that people are rejecting that concept.
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