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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23997900 - 01/10/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/752074/radical-islamists-number-more-than-double-germany-crisis-for-angela-merkel

"Hans-Georg Maassen, head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution- Germany's domestic intelligence service- said the fundamentalists Sunni Muslims populations in Germany has exploded to nearly 10,000 sharply up from 3,800 in 2011."

"It's of great concern to us that this scene is not only growing, but it is also very diversified...there are many people who dominate this Salafist scene. And all of these people have to be watched...That makes things more difficult for us, because we can no longer just watch a few people. We have to monitor groups."

"A sweeping review of all German's security architecture is underway and there are striking calls for new measures against violent terror suspects, such as detaining them without trial"

:huxleyfacepalm:  I guess they will have to thank Merkel for making their job of national security a nightmare game of cat and mouse with potential Muslim terrorists.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #23997923 - 01/10/17 11:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Some of American's problems are because of illegal immigrants and minorities, and there's plenty of evidence to back up those claims, that reality has nothing to do with a "racist attitude".



It is if you can't back it up.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23998095 - 01/10/17 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/752074/radical-islamists-number-more-than-double-germany-crisis-for-angela-merkel

"It's of great concern to us that this scene is not only growing, but it is also very diversified...there are many people who dominate this Salafist scene. And all of these people have to be watched...That makes things more difficult for us, because we can no longer just watch a few people. We have to monitor groups."

"A sweeping review of all German's security architecture is underway and there are striking calls for new measures against violent terror suspects, such as detaining them without trial"





Sounds familiar, is this a re-run?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
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Centralized operations under COINTELPRO officially began in August 1956 with a program designed to "increase factionalism, cause disruption and win defections" inside the Communist Party U.S.A. (CPUSA). Tactics included anonymous phone calls, IRS audits, and the creation of documents that would divide the American communist organization internally.[11] An October 1956 memo from Hoover reclassified the FBI's ongoing surveillance of black leaders, including it within COINTELPRO, with the justification that the movement was infiltrated by communists.[12] In 1956, Hoover sent an open letter denouncing Dr. T.R.M. Howard, a civil rights leader, surgeon, and wealthy entrepreneur in Mississippi who had criticized FBI inaction in solving recent murders of George W. Lee, Emmett Till, and other blacks in the South.[13] When the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) was founded in 1957, the FBI began to monitor and target the group almost immediately, focusing particularly on Bayard Rustin, Stanley Levison, and, eventually, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.[14]
After the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, Hoover singled out King as a major target for COINTELPRO. Under pressure from Hoover to focus on King, Sullivan wrote:
In the light of King's powerful demagogic speech. ... We must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security.[16]
Soon after, the FBI was systematically bugging King's home and his hotel rooms, as they now were aware that King was growing in stature daily as the leader among leaders of the Negro movement.[17]




https://zinnedproject.org/2016/03/fbi-war-civil-rights-movement/
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One way to appreciate the wide net cast by COINTELPRO is to look at the final report of the Church Committee. In the early 1970s, following a number of allegations in the press about over-reaching government intelligence operations, a Senate committee chaired by Democrat Frank Church of Idaho began an investigation of U.S. intelligence agencies. Their 1976 report states: “The unexpressed major premise of much of COINTELPRO is that the Bureau [FBI] has a role in maintaining the existing social order, and that its efforts should be aimed toward combating those who threaten that order.” In other words, anyone who challenged the status quo of racism, militarism, and capitalism in American society was fair game for surveillance and harassment. Rather than “limited,” the FBI’s scope potentially included all social and political activists, an alarming and outrageous revelation in a country purportedly governed by the protections of speech and assembly in the First Amendment.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23998127 - 01/10/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"is this a re-run?"

Not at all, apples and oranges.  I doesn't seem like you understand the national security threats and risks that are taking place inside of the EU today.

Did you read what the German head of intelligence said?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 4
    #23998195 - 01/10/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i read your article.

the most positive part was when he said:

"But it is also clear that we live under the rule of law, and the legal framework must be respected,"

the part that most made me :thisisterrible: was:

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A sweeping review of all German's security architecture is underway and there are striking calls for new measures against violent terror suspects, such as detaining them without trial if they lose their right to stay, and electronically tagging them if they are on a watch list of suspected plotters.




heaven forbid Germany has any kind of economic downturn in the near future.
4.3 million german muslims might end up paying a heavy price for the suspected plotting of 10,000 suspected terrorists.  If Germany somehow loses a war...well, anyone who even looks like they might be muslim of some kind should probably GTFO of Germany at that point.

maybe that is apples to oranges also? probably, i suppose.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23998332 - 01/10/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i read your article.

the most positive part was when he said:

"But it is also clear that we live under the rule of law, and the legal framework must be respected,"

the part that most made me :thisisterrible: was:

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A sweeping review of all German's security architecture is underway and there are striking calls for new measures against violent terror suspects, such as detaining them without trial if they lose their right to stay, and electronically tagging them if they are on a watch list of suspected plotters.




heaven forbid Germany has any kind of economic downturn in the near future.
4.3 million german muslims might end up paying a heavy price for the suspected plotting of 10,000 suspected terrorists.  If Germany somehow loses a war...well, anyone who even looks like they might be muslim of some kind should probably GTFO of Germany at that point.

maybe that is apples to oranges also? probably, i suppose.




"german muslims might end up paying a heavy price"

Oh yes they will.

"If Germany somehow loses a war"

No, it's just going to take one large scale terrorist act.

"probably GTFO of Germany"

I'm glad to see you come to that conclusion. I have always said that deportation is the only way to save innocent Muslim lives.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23998381 - 01/10/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Germany isn't allowed to conduct independent foreign policy. who the fuck would they even be able to go to war with? They are surrounded by NATO, and bound by NATO and EU rules.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23998408 - 01/10/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have always said that deportation is the only way to save innocent Muslim lives.



Aww, how sweet.  You care about Muslims enough to squeeze a million of them into shithole refugee camps in war-torn Syria, rather than "risking their lives" in Germany.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23998427 - 01/10/17 02:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow you are pretty detached from reality.


Google the Calais jungle, or Templehoff

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23998430 - 01/10/17 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

my point was that it's an awful lot of hysteria over 10000 "suspects", in a country with a population of almost 81 million.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #23998448 - 01/10/17 02:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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my point was that it's an awful lot of hysteria over 10000 "suspects", in a country with a population of almost 81 million.





There is also an awful lot of hysteria about how much Germany is suffering. They have a huge population and the best economy in Europe.

Greece has no economy a tiny population and centruries (like atleast as long as Islam has been a thing) of grievance against Muslims, yet are swamped with refugees.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23998455 - 01/10/17 02:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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my point was that it's an awful lot of hysteria over 10000 "suspects", in a country with a population of almost 81 million.




How many terrorists does it take to murder 5,000 innocent citizens?  Maybe 10.  The head of German intelligence has major concerns with over 10,000 radical Muslims living in their homeland, can you even fathom the destruction that 10,000 of these people could do if they weren't to be stopped beforehand?

You might think the head of intelligence is engaging in "hysteria", but he knows the threats better than what we know, his agency has to be correct 100% of the time, the one time they miss a terrorist operation thousands of people could die.

How's this, start deporting these people so their intelligence agencies don't have to be perfect?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23998461 - 01/10/17 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have always said that deportation is the only way to save innocent Muslim lives.



Aww, how sweet.  You care about Muslims enough to squeeze a million of them into shithole refugee camps in war-torn Syria, rather than "risking their lives" in Germany.




Who said they should be deported to Syria?  Even Trump stated they should have safe zones for these people in their region of the world, it's better than having them flood into the EU in a free for all.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23998476 - 01/10/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like these golden dawn characters are getting nasty in greece


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23998655 - 01/10/17 04:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow you are pretty detached from reality.


Google the Calais jungle, or Templehoff



I googled it.  Now tell me how I'm detached from reality.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23998664 - 01/10/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
I have always said that deportation is the only way to save innocent Muslim lives.



Aww, how sweet.  You care about Muslims enough to squeeze a million of them into shithole refugee camps in war-torn Syria, rather than "risking their lives" in Germany.




Who said they should be deported to Syria?  Even Trump stated they should have safe zones for these people in their region of the world, it's better than having them flood into the EU in a free for all.



What country is "their region of the world"?  And who's going to make that country accept them?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23998687 - 01/10/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow you are pretty detached from reality.


Google the Calais jungle, or Templehoff



I googled it.  Now tell me how I'm detached from reality.




You are implying that refugees have a good situation in Europe. When in reality a shit load of the native populations hate the refugees, and violence against these communities is only going to increase.

a lot of the refugees live worse than prisoners. I remember reading an article that a lot want to go back due to terrible conditions in the camps
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I have always said that deportation is the only way to save innocent Muslim lives.



Aww, how sweet.  You care about Muslims enough to squeeze a million of them into shithole refugee camps in war-torn Syria, rather than "risking their lives" in Germany.




Who said they should be deported to Syria?  Even Trump stated they should have safe zones for these people in their region of the world, it's better than having them flood into the EU in a free for all.



What country is "their region of the world"?  And who's going to make that country accept them?





Uhm the country they came from. (Oftentimes not even Syria.)

I say just drop em in dingy and point it at turkey and tell em good luck. That's how they came that's how they can go back. Obviously a politician is going to have a more polished answer.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23998738 - 01/10/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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my point was that it's an awful lot of hysteria over 10000 "suspects", in a country with a population of almost 81 million.





There is also an awful lot of hysteria about how much Germany is suffering. They have a huge population and the best economy in Europe.

Greece has no economy a tiny population and centruries (like atleast as long as Islam has been a thing) of grievance against Muslims, yet are swamped with refugees.



libs and not white-white. off-white.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23998787 - 01/10/17 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You are implying that refugees have a good situation in Europe. When in reality a shit load of the native populations hate the refugees, and violence against these communities is only going to increase.

a lot of the refugees live worse than prisoners. I remember reading an article that a lot want to go back due to terrible conditions in the camps



No.  I was implying that they would rather be in Europe than a refugee camp in Syria.

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What country is "their region of the world"?



Uhm the country they came from. (Oftentimes not even Syria.)



I would agree.  But qman doesn't.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23998982 - 01/10/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You are implying that refugees have a good situation in Europe. When in reality a shit load of the native populations hate the refugees, and violence against these communities is only going to increase.

a lot of the refugees live worse than prisoners. I remember reading an article that a lot want to go back due to terrible conditions in the camps



No.  I was implying that they would rather be in Europe than a refugee camp in Syria.

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What country is "their region of the world"?



Uhm the country they came from. (Oftentimes not even Syria.)



I would agree.  But qman doesn't.




Really?  I don't want the economic migrants of the EU to be deported back to their country of origin?  That's news to me. :lol:

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