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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
    #23996706 - 01/09/17 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He already is in the minority.

If the SD wants a total stop to Muslim immigration and are polling at 21.5%, you can guarantee that there are many, many more Swedes who want a stop to it but aren't willing to vote SD.





Give me an overview of SD



Are they they like national front in France?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23996758 - 01/09/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maybe this was why the US went to Iraq- to cause this domino effect.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23996764 - 01/09/17 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty much, and like the AfD in Germany.

They spent a shitton of money a few years back on a public relations campaign to convince the plebs that they had cut ties to the neo-Nazi stuff. Got a lot of media exposure parroting this, it seems to have been fairly effective.

The conservatives and the social democrats in Sweden have actually come together to keep the SD out.

The problem is, in doing so they have just played into the SD's hands, and the SD has claimed the whole time that the conservatives and the social democrats were beholden to the same masters. Now they have been proven correct.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
    #23996781 - 01/09/17 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

nazism is stupid. it's for neanderthals. it should be done away with.

and they are all in the same masters hands. literally.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
    #23996859 - 01/09/17 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Pretty much, and like the AfD in Germany.

They spent a shitton of money a few years back on a public relations campaign to convince the plebs that they had cut ties to the neo-Nazi stuff. Got a lot of media exposure parroting this, it seems to have been fairly effective.

The conservatives and the social democrats in Sweden have actually come together to keep the SD out.

The problem is, in doing so they have just played into the SD's hands, and the SD has claimed the whole time that the conservatives and the social democrats were beholden to the same masters. Now they have been proven correct.






Generations of global Neo-liberal economic policy has fucked us all and destabilized the world. You can hardly blame people for being upset. The problem is liberal bullshit feeds into the fascists (I'm not even saying this like it's some grand collective conspiracy) hands.

Fascists by nature are reactionary. I not a psychiatrist but when there is malady I would think the first thing you do is remove the negative stimulus.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23996931 - 01/09/17 11:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I'd agree, and would even call it common sense. But you've got people in this very thread still arguing that the majority of their countrymen want hordes more Muslims driving their own working class out of their traditional neighbourhoods.

I have a lot of neo-Nazis in my own family, since I'm pretty trashy. So I have an insight into the psychology of the neo-Nazi that the globetrotting elitists like Tipote and his ilk do not have.

When I say that opening the borders was a colossal, monstrous, civilisation-defining mistake, I am neither kidding nor exaggerating.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23996966 - 01/09/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
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Overton described a spectrum from "more free" to "less free" with regard to government intervention, oriented vertically on an axis. As the spectrum moves or expands, an idea at a given location may become more or less politically acceptable. His degrees of acceptance[6] of public ideas are roughly:
Unthinkable
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The Overton window is an approach to identifying which ideas define the domain of acceptability within a democracy's possible governmental policies. Proponents of policies outside the window seek to persuade or educate the public in order to move and/or expand the window. Proponents of current policies, or similar ones, within the window seek to convince people that policies outside it should be deemed unacceptable.






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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
    #23996999 - 01/09/17 11:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, I'd agree, and would even call it common sense. But you've got people in this very thread still arguing that the majority of their countrymen want hordes more Muslims driving their own working class out of their traditional neighbourhoods.

I have a lot of neo-Nazis in my own family, since I'm pretty trashy. So I have an insight into the psychology of the neo-Nazi that the globetrotting elitists like Tipote and his ilk do not have.

When I say that opening the borders was a colossal, monstrous, civilisation-defining mistake, I am neither kidding nor exaggerating.




I think that may be an overstep. Definitely a mistake, and a costly one, but many view it as an opportunity.


The left is still alive in many countries, as neonazi shit increases so will leftist reaction.
A Counter reactionary movement, if you will.


The current economic model is dying. what people used to call futurism, is coming to age. It's time to embrace it.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/11/04/elon-musk-robots-will-take-your-jobs-government-will-have-to-pay-your-wage.html?client=safari

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 2
    #23997004 - 01/09/17 11:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

we are the robots, doo-doo-doo-doo!

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23997114 - 01/10/17 01:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you've got people in this very thread still arguing that the majority of their countrymen want hordes more Muslims driving their own working class out of their traditional neighbourhoods.



Who argued that?  Is that another Straw Man?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23997610 - 01/10/17 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you've got people in this very thread still arguing that the majority of their countrymen want hordes more Muslims driving their own working class out of their traditional neighbourhoods.



Who argued that?  Is that another Straw Man?




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23997620 - 01/10/17 09:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Notice how the "libtards" here arent inventing ridiculous positions, attributing them to the conservatives, and then attacking them over it.

It would be soooooo easy to call qman and victor neo nazis who want to exterminate all non-white people. Because a child could argue against that position. But it ISNT their position, so im gonna argue against the positions they actually take

Imagine that.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23997655 - 01/10/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Notice how the "libtards" here arent inventing ridiculous positions, attributing them to the conservatives, and then attacking them over it.

It would be soooooo easy to call qman and victor neo nazis who want to exterminate all non-white people. Because a child could argue against that position. But it ISNT their position, so im gonna argue against the positions they actually take

Imagine that.




And that's fine, but should I go back and count the number of times I have been called a "racist" by various members in this forum? 

The only response I get is that it's their "gut feeling" so that's good enough to make the allegation. :shrug:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23997658 - 01/10/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Notice how the "libtards" here arent inventing ridiculous positions, attributing them to the conservatives, and then attacking them over it.

It would be soooooo easy to call qman and victor neo nazis who want to exterminate all non-white people. Because a child could argue against that position. But it ISNT their position, so im gonna argue against the positions they actually take

Imagine that.



:bigyesnod:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #23997729 - 01/10/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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should I go back and count the number of times I have been called a "racist" by various members in this forum? 

The only response I get is that it's their "gut feeling" so that's good enough to make the allegation. :shrug:



No, it's the opposite.

Your attempts to blame America's problems on immigrants and minorities have consistently failed the evidence test, yet you continue your racist attitude anyway because of your gut feeling.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23997814 - 01/10/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Notice how the "libtards" here arent inventing ridiculous positions, attributing them to the conservatives, and then attacking them over it.

It would be soooooo easy to call qman and victor neo nazis who want to exterminate all non-white people. Because a child could argue against that position. But it ISNT their position, so im gonna argue against the positions they actually take

Imagine that.




Notice how the world isn't about you.


No offense intended by this, but if you are saying I am one of these people making strawmen, I'm literally not even talking about you but rather policy. Namely from Merkel

Y'all getting a little too self important

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23997818 - 01/10/17 10:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also pretty sure none of the people active in this thread are conservative.


Where as Theo whole religion of peace bring on more refugees crowd is 100% liberal

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23997867 - 01/10/17 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Notice how the "libtards" here arent inventing ridiculous positions, attributing them to the conservatives, and then attacking them over it.

It would be soooooo easy to call qman and victor neo nazis who want to exterminate all non-white people. Because a child could argue against that position. But it ISNT their position, so im gonna argue against the positions they actually take

Imagine that.



No offense intended by this, but if you are saying I am one of these people making strawmen, I'm literally not even talking about you but rather policy.

Y'all getting a little too self important



He specifically said who he was talking about.  Y'all getting a little too defensive.  :smirk:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997869 - 01/10/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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should I go back and count the number of times I have been called a "racist" by various members in this forum? 

The only response I get is that it's their "gut feeling" so that's good enough to make the allegation. :shrug:



No, it's the opposite.

Your attempts to blame America's problems on immigrants and minorities have consistently failed the evidence test, yet you continue your racist attitude anyway because of your gut feeling.




Some of American's problems are because of illegal immigrants and minorities, and there's plenty of evidence to back up those claims, that reality has nothing to do with a "racist attitude".

I have also claimed that Eastern Europeans that are living in the US illegally also need to be deported, is that being racist against my own people?  :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 1
    #23997877 - 01/10/17 11:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also pretty sure none of the people active in this thread are conservative.


Where as Theo whole religion of peace bring on more refugees crowd is 100% liberal




That's true, I'm not a conservative, I'm a liberal moderate. For some strange reason, that gets you a conservative label around here. :lol:

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