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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23936599 - 12/17/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just because the situation is complicated doesn't mean that Europe is obligated to spread its legs for everyone who crosses the Mediterranean.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] 2
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I don't disagree with that.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DividedQuantum]
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qman said: Well, it African's can't control their population growth and it's causing harm to themselves, their environment and the EU, who's fault is it?
In the abstract, this makes no sense. Is it one individual's fault, many individuals' faults, some cultural bogeyman's fault, or what? To assign blame for Africa's poverty and overpopulation creates the implicit assumption than someone is in control, or can assume control, of the situation. I think we can all agree that this is not the case. It's a terribly unfortunate situation with many causes and an extremely complicated economic, political and social context. Perhaps, for example, if some of these governments wouldn't prevent citizens from having any money, they might get somewhere. As the Blind Ass said, it's more than a bit more complicated than saying "it's Africa's fault." I hate to say it, but that's intellectually infantile, qman.
"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: qman] 2
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: psychobla]
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psychobla said:
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"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
Just out of curiosity... how many times more resources do you think an American baby will use in it's lifetime when compared with an African baby?
Many multiplies, what does that have to do with the current discussion?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 1
#23936714 - 12/17/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said:
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DividedQuantum said:
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qman said: Well, it African's can't control their population growth and it's causing harm to themselves, their environment and the EU, who's fault is it?
In the abstract, this makes no sense. Is it one individual's fault, many individuals' faults, some cultural bogeyman's fault, or what? To assign blame for Africa's poverty and overpopulation creates the implicit assumption than someone is in control, or can assume control, of the situation. I think we can all agree that this is not the case. It's a terribly unfortunate situation with many causes and an extremely complicated economic, political and social context. Perhaps, for example, if some of these governments wouldn't prevent citizens from having any money, they might get somewhere. As the Blind Ass said, it's more than a bit more complicated than saying "it's Africa's fault." I hate to say it, but that's intellectually infantile, qman.
"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
i blame the bible. not africans.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Morel Guy]
#23936759 - 12/17/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Demand tends to be vas passed on value and rarity
It's all very much a hustle
Just think if you had the last penis?
suppose i told you that i had a positron in my pocket. can't get much more rare than a positron. what would a positron be worth to you? how much would you be willing to pay me for it?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 1
#23936778 - 12/17/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
Just out of curiosity... how many times more resources do you think an American baby will use in it's lifetime when compared with an African baby?
Many multiplies, what does that have to do with the current discussion?
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population control is irrelevant. Overpopulation is a fairytale invented to convince the poor that it is their fault that our systems of distribution don't accommodate their needs. "Don't" being the operative word, as opposed to "can't".
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23936827 - 12/17/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i blame the bible. not africans.
this part?
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Genesis 9 King James Version (KJV)
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
#23936828 - 12/17/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
Just out of curiosity... how many times more resources do you think an American baby will use in it's lifetime when compared with an African baby?
Many multiplies, what does that have to do with the current discussion?
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population control is irrelevant. Overpopulation is a fairytale invented to convince the poor that it is their fault that our systems of distribution don't accommodate their needs. "Don't" being the operative word, as opposed to "can't".
You still don't get it, it's not about "our systems of distribution", it's their "systems of distribution" that does NOT "accommodate their needs".
"Overpopulation is a fairytale" 
Tell that to the African's that risk their lives to get out of the continent.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#23936872 - 12/17/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 1
#23936889 - 12/17/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You still don't get it, it's not about "our systems of distribution", it's their "systems of distribution" that does NOT "accommodate their needs".
What i don't get is how you can perpetuate this BS when you know damn well that the same small group of people is in financial control of "our" and "their" distribution systems.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#23937021 - 12/18/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For god sakes has this man never heard of the UN? Not to mention many more things...where to begin? Global Banking maybe? Even thats not right. I hate* the internet , I wish I could talk to you all in person and Im sure these stupid, petty misunderstandings would resolve in a matter of a few minutes.
The fact is were growing up and we live in experimental societies. Adaption to civilization is not evolution per say so we can just throw up our hands and say generations down the road will have a great place to live and they get to enjoy gods green earth. Im afraid it will take succesful terrorism, a few more grand wars, or some genius level mastermind who has a truly good heart and a whole host of people with enlightened minds in regards to what they put most their attention on in man's life and societal living.
America is not doing well. Its citizens are unhealthy, mentally ill, narcissistic, ignorant, addicted, traumatized, and it caters to a deeply flawed ideology. And this is coming from someone who has everything in the world he could wish for. For regular people they are seen as actual commodities to be traded bought and sold. They are either consumers or producers - the value of life without those two things alone can cause someone to become sick if they have been raised in this environment.
We cant keep separating mind from body - because its simply flawed. Same goes with individual and environment. I literally turn off the radio, the tv, the internet,anything that plays advertising and marketing to me like they own my senses and think Ill fall for their bull shit jedi mind tricks... ahh whata time to be alivee
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 2
#23937164 - 12/18/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"An Afghan migrant accused of raping and killing a medical student in Germany had been convicted of attempted murder in Greece and had violated parole there, but German authorities were not aware of his criminal past when he entered the country"
Of course not, like most migrants they lie about their country of origin and criminal past. Liberals just take what they say as truth. 
Did you just make up the argument that "liberals just take what they (migrants) say as truth"? Or do you actually have evidence of this? Seriously, you aren't listening to what people are telling you. We're all in favor of tougher screening of immigrants so that only those that are truly refugees, and only those that don't have a criminal record are let through.
The EU hasn't done the best job of screening, but that doesn't mean liberals are happy about it.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#23937196 - 12/18/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why spend all these resources on screening murderers who shouldn't be allowed into the country?
Much better to spend them on the homeless, mentally ill etc. already in our country.
Oh wait, that would be social democracy, and we can't have that. All that's allowed is SJW shit.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#23937240 - 12/18/16 05:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/15/world/europe/germany-murder-maria-ladenburger.html?_r=0
"An Afghan migrant accused of raping and killing a medical student in Germany had been convicted of attempted murder in Greece and had violated parole there, but German authorities were not aware of his criminal past when he entered the country"
Of course not, like most migrants they lie about their country of origin and criminal past. Liberals just take what they say as truth. 
Did you just make up the argument that "liberals just take what they (migrants) say as truth"? Or do you actually have evidence of this? Seriously, you aren't listening to what people are telling you. We're all in favor of tougher screening of immigrants so that only those that are truly refugees, and only those that don't have a criminal record are let through.
The EU hasn't done the best job of screening, but that doesn't mean liberals are happy about it. 
I'm really getting tired of this childish bullshit.
This is now, what, the third strawman in a row? I suppose some folks around here find satisfaction winning fabricated arguments, if their ideas don't hold up in the realm of legitimate, substantive debate.
Maybe we shouldn't even bother pointing it out anymore. After all, it is not more than a shallow symptom of a deeper condition. The unwillingness to reflect honestly on ones own opinions, to the point of misrepresenting all information to the contrary.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23937292 - 12/18/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are the progressive who don't have to deal with the consequences of these mass migrations still telling us how wonderful they are?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
#23937351 - 12/18/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said:
You still don't get it, it's not about "our systems of distribution", it's their "systems of distribution" that does NOT "accommodate their needs".
What i don't get is how you can perpetuate this BS when you know damn well that the same small group of people is in financial control of "our" and "their" distribution systems.

New York bankers control the food, water, educational, housing and political destiny of African's. 
That's for the conspiracy forum.
Guess what spurred the explosion of population growth in the first place? Big gains in productivity, technology and food production in AFRICA!!!!
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: psychobla]
#23937354 - 12/18/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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psychobla said:
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qman said:
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psychobla said:
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qman said:
"assumption that someone is in control"
Yes, the people of Africa are in control of themselves when it comes to sexual intercourse which can potentially lead to pregnancy. Are you suggesting they can't control their sexual urges or use birth control?
"it's more than a bit more complicated than saying 'it's Africa's fault'"
Is it? Once it becomes apparent that the population explosion is causing so many problems that it's obvious for all to witness, who's fault is it when they continue to increase the underlying problem? African's.
Just out of curiosity... how many times more resources do you think an American baby will use in it's lifetime when compared with an African baby?
Many multiplies, what does that have to do with the current discussion?
I think it's possible that we have all the wealth so we have all the smarts so they have all the babies. Who's fault is that?
Biological evolution.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23937357 - 12/18/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: For god sakes has this man never heard of the UN? Not to mention many more things...where to begin? Global Banking maybe? Even thats not right. I hate* the internet , I wish I could talk to you all in person and Im sure these stupid, petty misunderstandings would resolve in a matter of a few minutes.
The fact is were growing up and we live in experimental societies. Adaption to civilization is not evolution per say so we can just throw up our hands and say generations down the road will have a great place to live and they get to enjoy gods green earth. Im afraid it will take succesful terrorism, a few more grand wars, or some genius level mastermind who has a truly good heart and a whole host of people with enlightened minds in regards to what they put most their attention on in man's life and societal living.
America is not doing well. Its citizens are unhealthy, mentally ill, narcissistic, ignorant, addicted, traumatized, and it caters to a deeply flawed ideology. And this is coming from someone who has everything in the world he could wish for. For regular people they are seen as actual commodities to be traded bought and sold. They are either consumers or producers - the value of life without those two things alone can cause someone to become sick if they have been raised in this environment.
We cant keep separating mind from body - because its simply flawed. Same goes with individual and environment. I literally turn off the radio, the tv, the internet,anything that plays advertising and marketing to me like they own my senses and think Ill fall for their bull shit jedi mind tricks... ahh whata time to be alivee
Go to bed you drunk blind ass! (speaking to myself)
Sleep if off.
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