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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927059 - 12/14/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927088 - 12/14/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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$300 an hour is middle class.  Doctors make that much.  Dumb duck!




If he's making 300/hr and not in the 1% he's not very smart,





Lol, you must be a genius cause you think under 400k a year is the 1%.

He could be getting double taxed as well.

The 1% have hundreds of millions if not billions.  400k a year is a drop in the bucket to thos people.  Like I said that's professional educated upper middle class.  Nice house, good vacations, country club but not anywhere near Trump douching rich.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23927101 - 12/14/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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$300 an hour is middle class.  Doctors make that much.  Dumb duck!




If he's making 300/hr and not in the 1% he's not very smart,





Lol, you must be a genius cause you think under 400k a year is the 1%.

He could be getting double taxed as well.

The 1% have hundreds of millions if not billions.  400k a year is a drop in the bucket to thos people.  Like I said that's professional educated upper middle class.  Nice house, good vacations, country club but not anywhere near Trump douching rich.




The 1% starts at around 500,000, if he's not making that at 300/hr, I'd be extremely shocked

http://www.usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/what-does-it-take-to-be-in-the-top-1-percent-not-as-much-as-you-think/

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927114 - 12/14/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well he's likely not in the 1% of the 1% and pays TAXES or you suck at math


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23927119 - 12/14/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you owned a business?



I do now.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23927138 - 12/14/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The 1% starts at around 500,000, if he's not making that at 300/hr, I'd be extremely shocked




If I worked 40 hours a week at $300/hr, I'd break 600k.  I'm not at that point yet, though.  Not all of my work is billed hourly.  I'd love to be able to bill 2000 hours a year at $300, but that's not yet the case.

I will break $300k this year, though.  Maybe in a year or two, I'll hit the 1%. 

I do hope that has satisfied your curiosity about my earning power.  Being a hardcore lefty pays well.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
    #23927174 - 12/14/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The 1% starts at around 500,000, if he's not making that at 300/hr, I'd be extremely shocked




If I worked 40 hours a week at $300/hr, I'd break 600k.  I'm not at that point yet, though.  Not all of my work is billed hourly.  I'd love to be able to bill 2000 hours a year at $300, but that's not yet the case.

I will break $300k this year, though.  Maybe in a year or two, I'll hit the 1%. 

I do hope that has satisfied your curiosity about my earning power.  Being a hardcore lefty pays well.





Thanks for your honesty

You're lucky you are a lefty, or these SJW's here would be all up in your shit about price gouging and being the "evil rich":lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23927199 - 12/14/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I were a lefty, I'm sure that would be great.  Even without being one, I do okay.  I made a decision a few years ago that my law practice, as rewarding as it has been, needed to shift to focus on making money.  I feel no guilt or regret about that, and if you righties or them lefties judge me for it, fuck all y'all.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
    #23927293 - 12/14/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If I were a lefty, I'm sure that would be great.  Even without being one, I do okay.  I made a decision a few years ago that my law practice, as rewarding as it has been, needed to shift to focus on making money.  I feel no guilt or regret about that, and if you righties or them lefties judge me for it, fuck all y'all.




For one thing, I know you're a lefty, maybe you wanna call yourself a moderate or independent, whatever

For two, as a capitalist, I admire a desire to make money, do well, and achieve.

You'll never have to worry about me giving you shit for getting rich, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the lefties here for not jumping your shit for being an "evil capitalist" like they do to others, we all know ideology is the key to understanding the double standard


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927301 - 12/14/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Progressive industry is some of the most expensive.  Look at whole foods.  It's a trend that sucks people in.  I am more of a realist.  My goat does not have to be organic.  I do however grow my crops organic because I know soil life.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23927380 - 12/14/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If I were a lefty, I'm sure that would be great.  Even without being one, I do okay.  I made a decision a few years ago that my law practice, as rewarding as it has been, needed to shift to focus on making money.  I feel no guilt or regret about that, and if you righties or them lefties judge me for it, fuck all y'all.




For one thing, I know you're a lefty, maybe you wanna call yourself a moderate or independent, whatever

For two, as a capitalist, I admire a desire to make money, do well, and achieve.

You'll never have to worry about me giving you shit for getting rich, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the lefties here for not jumping your shit for being an "evil capitalist" like they do to others, we all know ideology is the key to understanding the double standard




you have no notion of what makes a 'lefty', because Enlil isn't a lefty. he doesn't care about you, or your right or left.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23927394 - 12/14/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You have no idea what you're talking about

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23927441 - 12/14/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You have no idea what you're talking about

Shoo fly




silence yourself. if you can't accept when you are simply in error, you should just shut up.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23927445 - 12/14/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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silence yourself. if you can't accept when you are simply in error, you should just shut up.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
    #23927626 - 12/14/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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  Being a hardcore lefty pays well.





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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #23927927 - 12/14/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, it would appear HU has dragged you all to retardville, and I have him on ignore, so I will not be joining you.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23928604 - 12/15/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, it would appear HU has dragged you all to retardville, and I have him on ignore, so I will not be joining you.




That's because you are scared

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23928693 - 12/15/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not a terrorist sympathiser, I'm an anarcho-homicidalist. There are significant philosophical differences.





Please, go on

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"what about those who have been living in Europe for centuries before this huge migration?"

That's a good question for sure, since they're citizens they legally allowed to stay.



legally allowed..but...?

You've often ignored the logical conclusion of this point. You have said that cultural diversity has failed. If these people were not protected by their citizenry, wouldn't you want to deport those that deviate from what you see as the norm?

What about the millions of Europeans and non-Europeans who have integrated successfully into host nations?
It seems your concern is not for innocents, your concern is based along ethnic lines

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"Are you someone that would argue that Blacks in America have not integrated over hundreds of years?"

Many blacks have claimed they haven't been able to integrate because of institutional racism.




Are you going to give your position?

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"Men are often the main breadwinners"

Yeah, but in this case they are the main leeches.




way to ignore my point that single mothers with children are more dependent on the state than men who have a range of qualifications and experience.

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"stop fucking up the Middle East"

Yeah, because they never fight with each other. :rofl2:



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what does them in-fighting have to do with what he said?





Tip claims the fighting in the ME is because of Western influence, you know that old song and dance.




First off, I said "external intervention". Oour countries could do our part in stop fucking up the middle east. ballsalsa's post sums this up well - there are many factors involved but only you will argue against the existence of detrimental affects from Western activity in the Middle East over decades.

Anything I say, you take as an absolute. For me to say that the West is responsible for many of the ills of the middle east, you turn that into 'Everything bad in the world is white peoples' fault and we should feel guilty' :facepalm:

You assume I absolve people within the region of their own responsibilities, I do not.

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without getting into a lengthy discussion of where to assign blame for the troubles in the middle east today, I think that we should be able to acknowledge that there is plenty to go around.  Does local culture and religion play a role? yes.  Have recent western military actions played a role? yes.  Have the arbitrary borders drawn during the european colonial period played a role? yes. (why do you think kurds are so pissed?)  The real question is what to do about it. 




good question but I think the truth is that all parties are too stubborn to budge. Divide and conquer has been in play for too long and the regional superpower, Israel, benefits from this fracture, as does the global military-industrial complex. Nasser got somewhere in uniting much of the arab world but that didn't last long. There needs to be somekind of leverage on Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states to take the steam out of sectarianism and Israel needs to be reigned in once and for all.

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I think its a falsehood that there isn't enough to go around for everyoje to have what us Americans would call a decent standard of living.

In 100 years, energy will be free, jobs will be practically phased out of economic significance, computers will be solving the problems we are still too stupid to solve ourselves. But most importantly, production itself will be so god damn cheap. We see it now with electronics, homeless people with iphones and shit. But theres absolutely no reason why there cant be a global UBI thats enough for food and shelter and internet and whatnot, say a century from now.

Even now, its 90% a distribution problem. Look at all the food we produce in the world, and how many still starve. We are literally just too god damn stupid to do it. But we'll get there. Its a good thing we keep increasing funding for education. :thumbup:




Excellent post.:thumbup:

Enlil, what do you think about this? I think I've seen you disagree with this before. Is so, why?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #23928818 - 12/15/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if only people didn't conflate everything into a fear-mongering stew of partisan anti-left rhetoric, and lumped it in all in with insinuations in broad-strokes against Muslims - all whilst rationalizing the hatred from other coalitions, such as other defunct religions, or of war-mongers (the ones who help drive the warring in the ME.

Muslims do not always follow the "rules" of their religion, some don't even consider the notions in the scriptures cause they haven't even read it. thing is, i don't like any ideology that goes against my fellow man, and i don't see Muslims fostering criminal intent, unless they are self-proclaimed terrorists. lumping all your "opponents" in together, as if they are the same, and then vindicating your own ideologies mistakes (republican's wants to insert military into the middle east) doesn't help anyone who doesn't just fall in line with the talk of the day from people telling them that they're a "libtard" or some shit for not fear-mongering about Muslim people. no one agrees with the Islamic ideology...the thing is they are here, and the expulsion of them, en masse or individually, is unconstitutional in the US; which expulsion has been proposed. Muslim criminals need to be treated like any other criminal, unless one wants to forgo the freedoms and rights of citizens of America.

(i've always said German police (and Swedish police on the same token) are pussies for not upholding the law, by the by.)

no one "agrees" with criminality 'just cause it's Muslims'- but you people insinuate that that's the case. it's never been. if only people could discuss and raise awareness of issues within cultures and society, without attempting to forgo innocent people's rights, indicating "their side", and insinuating entire religions under the banner that they all follow their scriptures word for word. clearly, as anyone can plainly see, no religious sect follows their scriptures entirely- and those whom do are always going to be either criminal or considered malfunctional in our society and are not exculpated from their just desserts. if only people didn't insist on razing the fundamentals of the very equity of what's righteous and honest, and conflating all their problems into 'the actions of one sworn enemy', instead of actually using some discernment in how to approach the discussion of serious issues from particular factions of people-- no, instead, everyone has to be at eachothers throats and cast aspersions at those whom they are arguing with...then proceed to allude to the notion that "leftists" are responsible for the actions of a few; and then turn around and exculpate those whom, one minute, you say are not sensible in their actions, and the next, perfectly legitimate in their actions, under the conviction that because they are against people whom you fear their actions equate to some indefatigable virtue.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #23928856 - 12/15/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

"what about those who have been living in Europe for centuries before this huge migration?"

That's a good question for sure, since they're citizens they legally allowed to stay.



legally allowed..but...?

You've often ignored the logical conclusion of this point. You have said that cultural diversity has failed. If these people were not protected by their citizenry, wouldn't you want to deport those that deviate from what you see as the norm?

What about the millions of Europeans and non-Europeans who have integrated successfully into host nations?
It seems your concern is not for innocents, your concern is based along ethnic lines

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qman said:
"Are you someone that would argue that Blacks in America have not integrated over hundreds of years?"

Many blacks have claimed they haven't been able to integrate because of institutional racism.




Are you going to give your position?

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qman said:
"Men are often the main breadwinners"

Yeah, but in this case they are the main leeches.




way to ignore my point that single mothers with children are more dependent on the state than men who have a range of qualifications and experience.

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"stop fucking up the Middle East"

Yeah, because they never fight with each other. :rofl2:



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what does them in-fighting have to do with what he said?





Tip claims the fighting in the ME is because of Western influence, you know that old song and dance.




First off, I said "external intervention". Oour countries could do our part in stop fucking up the middle east. ballsalsa's post sums this up well - there are many factors involved but only you will argue against the existence of detrimental affects from Western activity in the Middle East over decades.

Anything I say, you take as an absolute. For me to say that the West is responsible for many of the ills of the middle east, you turn that into 'Everything bad in the world is white peoples' fault and we should feel guilty' :facepalm:

You assume I absolve people within the region of their own responsibilities, I do not.

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without getting into a lengthy discussion of where to assign blame for the troubles in the middle east today, I think that we should be able to acknowledge that there is plenty to go around.  Does local culture and religion play a role? yes.  Have recent western military actions played a role? yes.  Have the arbitrary borders drawn during the european colonial period played a role? yes. (why do you think kurds are so pissed?)  The real question is what to do about it. 




good question but I think the truth is that all parties are too stubborn to budge. Divide and conquer has been in play for too long and the regional superpower, Israel, benefits from this fracture, as does the global military-industrial complex. Nasser got somewhere in uniting much of the arab world but that didn't last long. There needs to be somekind of leverage on Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states to take the steam out of sectarianism and Israel needs to be reigned in once and for all.





"you have said that cultural diversity has failed"

So has every major leader in the EU, Trump has basically insinuated the same sentiment. The native populations agree as well.

"wouldn't you want to deport those"

Many of them should be deported for their own safety.

"you assume I absolve people within the region of their own responsibilities, I do not"

That's all you do when you blame policy (colonialism) from hundreds of years ago. You constantly make rationalizations and excuses for shitty behavior and blame outsiders. You're an expert of playing the victimization card, your professors taught you well.

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