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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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youre certainly a special guy, straw man.
check it out at https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/
thanks for that, nice to know bernie has changed his support for gang raping from an enthusiastic "for" to a nonchalant "against"
I'm glad to see that the best you right wing fanatical loonies can come up with to attack Bernie is to lie about him repeatedly.
You have yet to make even one substantial argument against any of his policy positions, that I've seen. You attack his character, and make shit up about his views. You're not interested in honest discussion or integrity.
Again, why the fuck are you even here?
You're not changing anyone's mind on anything, strawman, and obviously Rush Limbaugh has made up your mind on everything. It is my understanding that this forum is here for free thinking individuals to deliberate and discuss views. Not your little soap box for irrelevant propagandist horse shit.
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if you need proof that liberals hate free speech, i would point you toward these "distinguished" posters, their constant desire and attacks to silence me by flaming, trolling, reporting me to mods, makes their case for them...
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] 2
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Clearly violence is not the answer. Right wing groups seem to think that violence is the only way to solve problems. I certainly understand their concerns, in light of a slew of recent events. As I've said before, conservatives are weak minded, fearful creatures, who cling to their guns while they shit their pants and pull the alarm everytime someone says 'boo'.
You have to remember that affiliates of right wing parties are called 'reactionaries' for a reason. They rely on their reptilian brain, rather than their frontal cortex.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Clearly violence is not the answer. Right wing groups seem to think that violence is the only way to solve problems. I certainly understand their concerns, in light of a slew of recent events. As I've said before, conservatives are weak minded, fearful creatures, who cling to their guns while they shit their pants and pull the alarm everytime someone says 'boo'.
You have to remember that affiliates of right wing parties are called 'reactionaries' for a reason. They rely on their reptilian brain, rather than their frontal cortex.
you really think violence is never the answer?
violence stopped hitler, so YOU think he should have just been allowed to continue unabated? is that REALLY what you're saying???
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Clearly violence is not the answer. Right wing groups seem to think that violence is the only way to solve problems. I certainly understand their concerns, in light of a slew of recent events. As I've said before, conservatives are weak minded, fearful creatures, who cling to their guns while they shit their pants and pull the alarm everytime someone says 'boo'.
You have to remember that affiliates of right wing parties are called 'reactionaries' for a reason. They rely on their reptilian brain, rather than their frontal cortex.
you really think violence is never the answer?
violence stopped hitler, so YOU think he should have just been allowed to continue unabated? is that REALLY what you're saying???
 jesus christ, straw man!!!!!
he never said that violence is NEVER the answer. he said right wing groups seem to think that violence is the ONLY way.
they thrive on all this shit.
where is the hitler? you should actually go and reread posts 10 times before you start replying.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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absolutely, the concerns are very serious. Its just so inflated by the media that thrives on this kind of thing and so too the minds that are small and fearful of everything different.
I would love to have seen the far right go this bat shit crazy when white people rape western women but it doesn't happen. It shows its not the rape and sexual assault that they have a particular problem with, its the fact that foreign people are doing it.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: I would love to have seen the far right go this bat shit crazy when white people rape western women but it doesn't happen. It shows its not the rape and sexual assault that they have a particular problem with, its the fact that foreign people are doing it.
That's not true, rape and sexual assault is disgusting in all forms, no matter what the ethnic origin of the perpetrator.
But lets get real here, it's the unprecedented scale of this particular event, that is exacerbating these feelings and pushing forward the far rights position.
I mean for christ sake, were talking about a group of up to 1000 men, sexually assaulting, robbing and even raping, native German women.
No matter what the ethnicity of the perpetrators, this would have made national head lines either way and this at a time, when Germany has opened its boarders to asylum seekers, to have a place of sanctuary and safety is obviously going to cause huge issues.
It's so disrespectful to the nations that are trying to help them, that i can't even put it into words.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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hostileuniverse said: if you need proof that liberals hate free speech, i would point you toward these "distinguished" posters, their constant desire and attacks to silence me by flaming, trolling, reporting me to mods, makes their case for them...
1. You are acting very badly all the time. 2. People get sick of your bad behavior and complain and report you etc. 3. You claim they want to oppress you and don't believe in free speech. ...Wtf?
Basically what you are saying is: "I'm not allowed be a constant bitch without being questioned, you guys don't support free speech". Stop wining. Behave like and adult and argue like an adult, then you will be responded to as an adult.
No one has suggested your worldview, or rather, world-phantasmagoria, should be censored. You are not being reported based on your opinions, but based upon your bad behavior
Furthermore you actually draw the conclusion that the entire group of people that holds similar political views ("liberals")that you have decided that the people complaining on your bad behavior has, do not support free speech...?! No wonder they call you straw man...
I believe in the freedom of speech. I also believe people on forums as well as in the real world should be treated based on their speech. Suck it up or change your speech.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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1. You are acting very badly all the time.
how so? by positing an opinion they don't agree with? yeah, my point made
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1. You are acting very badly all the time.
how so? by positing an opinion they don't agree with? yeah, my point made
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I believe in the freedom of speech. I also believe people on forums as well as in the real world should be treated based on their speech. Suck it up or change your speech.
your are very ignorant if you believe I've not cited NUMEROUS sources to back up my world view,
so no, I will NOT change my speech, if the shrubbery want to censor me, like they did BB, well then so be it, but i won't stop speaking the truth just because a bunch of liberals don't like it, NOT gonna happen...
now, 0n to examples of liberals censoring free speech, because you know, ALL my assertions are backed up by FACTS!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/la-times-cuts-off-climate-change-deniers/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
http://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/college-liberalism-and-the-destruction-of-free-speech
***now, theres 3 examples to back up what I'm saying, insert liberals belittling and telling me shut up "here"
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] 1
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Tipote said: I would love to have seen the far right go this bat shit crazy when white people rape western women but it doesn't happen. It shows its not the rape and sexual assault that they have a particular problem with, its the fact that foreign people are doing it.
That's not true, rape and sexual assault is disgusting in all forms, no matter what the ethnic origin of the perpetrator.
But lets get real here, it's the unprecedented scale of this particular event, that is exacerbating these feelings and pushing forward the far rights position.
I mean for christ sake, were talking about a group of up to 1000 men, sexually assaulting, robbing and even raping, native German women.
No matter what the ethnicity of the perpetrators, this would have made national head lines either way and this at a time, when Germany has opened its boarders to asylum seekers, to have a place of sanctuary and safety is obviously going to cause huge issues.
It's so disrespectful to the nations that are trying to help them, that i can't even put it into words.
its absolutely an incredibly serious problem.
You keep saying its not about ethnicity but you keep emphasising the ethnicity.. this is the point you miss but must understand in order to see how easily this can get out of control.
what we are talking about is the criminal attacks by up to 1000 men against women. The point still stands that you don't see these kind of responses over rapes by our own people against our own women.
There are something like 100,000 rapes in the UK every year alone, about a quarter of which are done by all minorities. The UK has a well established paedophile ring within elite circles of government. Rape within marriage was only made illegal in Germany in 1997 In the Netherlands, there was a political party that wanted to legalise child porn, sex with animals and reduce the age of consent to 12! The problem is EVERYWHERE but there are people on the streets when its foreign people doing it. Some criminals just happen to be more visible than others. What do you think goes on under the radar, against the current narrative?
Yes people are taking advantage of their asylum status. Being an asylum seeker doesnt automatically make you an angel. There are criminals in every community, from every origin. Criminal people from all countries are taking advantage of the logistical nightmare of the influx of 1 million people. Thats what criminals do, they are opportunists.
You fuel a hateful discourse when you make the poor attempt to make the weak argument that Europe is facing a genocide by Islam. You say its so disrespectful? Of course it is, but it doesnt become worse because they are from somewhere else. You fuel the "US" VS "THEM" narrative. You make it about "their" culture. Its part of every culture.
No one is undervaluing the significance of this crisis. We are all in agreement that it is fucked. BUT it is about the response we take. Do we generalise over all the asylum seekers, refugees and migrants who do not ever commit crime? do we treat this as a law and order issue? The former choice only fuels hatred, discrimination and violence - and NOT just against foreigners. A German politician has already been stabbed by the far-right and I'm sure this will only get worse. I'm sure there will be attempts against Merkels life. The far-right will make things worse for EVERYONE.
It is a duty for everyone to be level-headed. Don't show lenience to those who commit abuses because of their origin and not to punish someone more because of their origin. If they break the law then they face the law, if they are a guest in the country then the law gives the host the right to deport them anyway.
Germany is already making swift steps towards deporting people who commit crimes like this. It is the responsibility of the German government to send a clear message that refugee or not, there is no protection that allows these crimes to continue.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Enlil banned BB because he persisted with racist language after many many many warnings. I'm surprised he didn't go sooner. That was Enlil trying to be fair and patient.
Do you act badly. with your shits and everything
You don't make reasoned points with evidence. You 99.99% of the time you are making straw man arguments like - all liberals want to kill babies, THANKS OBAMA. obviously im exaggerating that example (slightly maybe) but the point is clear, or it should be clear but you probably dont get it.
You should take it as a sign that me, falcon, BBW, everyone on here actually respond to your statements in the first place. You may come out with a lot of shit and straw but we still engage with you in debate. We should have all ignored you a long time ago. And frankly with all your libtard this and libtard that and insults, you probably should have been banned a while ago.
no one is clamping down on your free speech. If you make a point that is not backed up and completely nonsensical, we will rip you for it.
1. climate change is a fact, it has been wrongfully debated for decades now, there is a clear conclusion.
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Last month, a panel of the world's top scientists presented its latest review of the data on climate change. The analysis concluded with 95 percent certainty -- the gold standard in science -- that climate change is manmade. (from your link)
2. so you say that some people want to restrict speech? ok make that point then without the bullshit. no one is censoring you. 3. the third link seemed like a load of empty bullshit so if you like you can elaborate on what the point its supporting is.
PS: i have never ever reported you, even though you went crazy at me thinking I did. Your bullshit is so obvious that moderators can see it a mile away. PPS: understand i'm not going to get into a back and forth about how much of a shitposter you are
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: Enlil banned BB because he persisted with racist language after many many many warnings. I'm surprised he didn't go sooner. That was Enlil trying to be fair and patient.
Do you act badly. with your shits and everything
You don't make reasoned points with evidence. You 99.99% of the time you are making straw man arguments like - all liberals want to kill babies, THANKS OBAMA. obviously im exaggerating that example (slightly maybe) but the point is clear, or it should be clear but you probably dont get it.
You should take it as a sign that me, falcon, BBW, everyone on here actually respond to your statements in the first place. You may come out with a lot of shit and straw but we still engage with you in debate. We should have all ignored you a long time ago. And frankly with all your libtard this and libtard that and insults, you probably should have been banned a while ago.
no one is clamping down on your free speech. If you make a point that is not backed up and completely nonsensical, we will rip you for it.
1. climate change is a fact, it has been wrongfully debated for decades now, there is a clear conclusion.
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Last month, a panel of the world's top scientists presented its latest review of the data on climate change. The analysis concluded with 95 percent certainty -- the gold standard in science -- that climate change is manmade. (from your link)
2. so you say that some people want to restrict speech? ok make that point then without the bullshit. no one is censoring you. 3. the third link seemed like a load of empty bullshit so if you like you can elaborate on what the point its supporting is.
PS: i have never ever reported you, even though you went crazy at me thinking I did. Your bullshit is so obvious that moderators can see it a mile away. PPS: understand i'm not going to get into a back and forth about how much of a shitposter you are
Your whole post makes my point for me, belittle and dismiss opposing viewpoints is the liberal way.
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Your whole post makes my point for me, belittle and dismiss opposing viewpoints is the liberal way.
Are you saying you're a liberal? Belittling others is your primary tactic with dismissal being an oft-used secondary.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostile stop derailing this thread any further with your exceptional butthurt.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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It's only when libs choose to make the issues about me, does the thread derail, otherwise I've stayed on point
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil] 1
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I just read about the Dunning Kruger Effect. It explains a lot about the interactions here.
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I think HU is just intellectually lazy. Not stupid enough to qualify for your 'Dunning Kruger effect'. I may very well be wrong though. He thinks Rush Limbaugh gets it right 99% of the time. He also is not open to even the slightest review of his positions/ideals. The concept of a strawman argument seems to elude him. He truly doesn't know how to connect points through logical/critical thought processes, and is very reactionary in his approach.
People who do not have the capacity to understand politics often wish to pretend they do. They wish to get involved, often for noble and patriotic reasons. There is no doubt that someone like HU sees problems in this country, as we all do, and wants to be part of the solution. The problem is that people who don't have the faculties to develop informed opinions have a million soundbite machines circling like vultures, eagerly willing to offer simple solutions to for them to cling to. Right wing rhetoric is enthusiastic and aggressive. It appeals to this sort of person. It is readily digestible, an has spokespeople like Sarah Palin and 'Joe the plumber', who are easy to identify with. It attaches itself to religiousity and presents itself as the holy moral alternative. Simple minded people tend to be religious. It's a great strategy.
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Tipote said: absolutely, the concerns are very serious. Its just so inflated by the media that thrives on this kind of thing and so too the minds that are small and fearful of everything different.
I would love to have seen the far right go this bat shit crazy when white people rape western women but it doesn't happen. It shows its not the rape and sexual assault that they have a particular problem with, its the fact that foreign people are doing it.
I think, at least in America, rape is quite frowned upon by the left AND the right. I would also like a citation for the figure you gave on rapes in Germany. 100,000 seems quite excessive, for such a small country. I don't believe rape occurs at nearly the rates people throw around.
I don't think it is smart for immigrants to be fucking around with Germans of all people lmao! We all know their history of 'tolerance'. I think the left really needs to listen to the cries from the right, before this situation escalates too far, and the right grows out of the fear and hate. Fear and hate always cause an infusion of right wing energy in politics.
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Great quote! Even if it is from yoda lmao!
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: I would love to have seen the far right go this bat shit crazy when white people rape western women but it doesn't happen. It shows its not the rape and sexual assault that they have a particular problem with, its the fact that foreign people are doing it.
That's not true, rape and sexual assault is disgusting in all forms, no matter what the ethnic origin of the perpetrator.
But lets get real here, it's the unprecedented scale of this particular event, that is exacerbating these feelings and pushing forward the far rights position.
I mean for christ sake, were talking about a group of up to 1000 men, sexually assaulting, robbing and even raping, native German women.
No matter what the ethnicity of the perpetrators, this would have made national head lines either way and this at a time, when Germany has opened its boarders to asylum seekers, to have a place of sanctuary and safety is obviously going to cause huge issues.
It's so disrespectful to the nations that are trying to help them, that i can't even put it into words.
its absolutely an incredibly serious problem.
You keep saying its not about ethnicity but you keep emphasising the ethnicity.. this is the point you miss but must understand in order to see how easily this can get out of control.
what we are talking about is the criminal attacks by up to 1000 men against women. The point still stands that you don't see these kind of responses over rapes by our own people against our own women.
There are something like 100,000 rapes in the UK every year alone, about a quarter of which are done by all minorities. The UK has a well established paedophile ring within elite circles of government. Rape within marriage was only made illegal in Germany in 1997 In the Netherlands, there was a political party that wanted to legalise child porn, sex with animals and reduce the age of consent to 12! The problem is EVERYWHERE but there are people on the streets when its foreign people doing it. Some criminals just happen to be more visible than others. What do you think goes on under the radar, against the current narrative?
Yes people are taking advantage of their asylum status. Being an asylum seeker doesnt automatically make you an angel. There are criminals in every community, from every origin. Criminal people from all countries are taking advantage of the logistical nightmare of the influx of 1 million people. Thats what criminals do, they are opportunists.
You fuel a hateful discourse when you make the poor attempt to make the weak argument that Europe is facing a genocide by Islam. You say its so disrespectful? Of course it is, but it doesnt become worse because they are from somewhere else. You fuel the "US" VS "THEM" narrative. You make it about "their" culture. Its part of every culture.
No one is undervaluing the significance of this crisis. We are all in agreement that it is fucked. BUT it is about the response we take. Do we generalise over all the asylum seekers, refugees and migrants who do not ever commit crime? do we treat this as a law and order issue?
I never said it's not about ethnicity, i simply stated, that given the scale of the events and the amount of people involved in these crimes, this would have made national headlines either way. Despite the ethnic origin of the perpetrators.
Having said that, unfortunately, this problem clearly is about ethnicity and the problem we face with this type of behaviour, is fundamentally an Islamic one.
The perpetrators of these crimes, have all ready clearly shown that, by targeting only, white, native, European women. People don't want to hear that, but it's the truth.
The question needs to be asked, that if this is not about ethnicity, why are these men only targeting women, of a different ethnic background to them selves?
As i said in another thread, trying to generalize the problem and spread it out into the rest of society, or skew the facts, is the wrong approach and one that will all most certainly back fire in the long run.
People are all ready highly frustrated that the authorities have tried this approach.
Trying to come up with excuses, or trying to generalize the problem, like its some how irrelevant, because rape happens anyway, is not a good idea.
Like you say, its not a good approach to generalize all muslims and asylum seekers, because of the behaviour of these people and the same is true for the scale of this event.
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Tipote said: You say its so disrespectful? Of course it is, but it doesnt become worse because they are from somewhere else. You fuel the "US" VS "THEM" narrative. You make it about "their" culture. Its part of every culture.
Also just to pick up on this point, i disagree with you're point of view and believe that it does in fact make it worse, given that these people are of a foreign nationality.
They are supposed to be asylum seekers, people desperate for help.
That help has been provided through the generosity of a foreign nation and they been invited into Germany and this is this is how they thank them.
It's wholly unacceptable. They've not been in the country for 5 seconds and they have all ready committed a mass sexual assault.
Clearly there not that desperate for help after all.
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Bigbadwooof said: I think, at least in America, rape is quite frowned upon by the left AND the right. I would also like a citation for the figure you gave on rapes in Germany. 100,000 seems quite excessive, for such a small country. I don't believe rape occurs at nearly the rates people throw around.
I don't think it is smart for immigrants to be fucking around with Germans of all people lmao! We all know their history of 'tolerance'. I think the left really needs to listen to the cries from the right, before this situation escalates too far, and the right grows out of the fear and hate. Fear and hate always cause an infusion of right wing energy in politics.
btw the 100,000 refers to the UK not Germany. (its actually est. 97,000) here is the source...
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Here are some key statistics about sexual violence: -Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour -Nearly half a million adults are sexually assaulted in England and Wales each year -1 in 5 women aged 16 - 59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16 -Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police -Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence
These figures come from An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales, the first ever joint official statistics bulletin on sexual violence released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office in January 2013.
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Fear breeds hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering. Good old Yoda, where are you when we need you most?
Great quote! Even if it is from yoda lmao!
hehe yeh its an awesome quote, very relevant!
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] 1
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Bubbles85 said: As i said in another thread, trying to generalize the problem and spread it out into the rest of society, or skew the facts, is the wrong approach and one that will all most certainly back fire in the long run.
are you sure that pinning it on a religion/ethnicity and leading a fear based war against them isn't going to back fire? have you not been paying attention to the last 20yrs of middle eastern history? How about we step back and tackle the real issue here, the idea that any one person can touch another person without permission. Let's teach everyone that no matter what your cultural beliefs may hold (christian, islam, hindu) that you must keep your fucking hands to yourself in public.
you say islam I say hegemonic masculinity
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