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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22753564 - 01/08/16 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
    #22753569 - 01/08/16 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They cover up child molestation.



You think all Christians cover up child molestation?  I think the vast majority of religious people are simply weak.  Weak minded, perhaps weak willed, but just weak.  There are evil people of all faiths and no faith, but that's the minority, IMO. 

I can't hate someone because he is weak.  I'm not "disgust[ed]" by weakness, and I think your (over)reaction is the product of some personal history that you have with religious people, and probably evinces a bias. 

Sure, religious people are willfully ignorant, but most people are to some extent.  Maybe you have too high of expecations about humans.




I grew up in a very religious community, and attended a christian school for my first 7 years of schooling. The kind of bigotry, hypocrisy, and self-righteousness I have seen from religious folks is in no way a representation of human beings on the whole. The more religious people are, the bigger assholes they are. They are far less tolerant, more judgmental, and they often use their religion to justify racism (Black people descended from Ham, the evil child of Noah, which is why they are cursed).

The representatives of the Catholic church are the ones who cover up child molestation. In my mind, that is a representation of the standard of moral caliber orchestrated within their following.

Just to clarify, in case of confusion, I wasn't attributing my position to you, which is why I said, 'I take it further' than you.

I gave more examples than child molestation. I agree with the phrase 'If you want to make an otherwise good man do bad things, give him religion'. This is clearly an opinion of mine, which is based on experience. You may call it bias, but these are the people I have grown up with, and if anything, I was bias in their favor for most of my life.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22753582 - 01/08/16 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What state are you in? I was looking at a website that describes the nomination process, and it appeared, to me, that most states have open primaries, where party affiliation wouldn't impact you voting for another party.



Falcon is in Cali



Hey, I just found out they changed the voting laws here in Cali a few years back to an open election system.  So I CAN vote for Bernie - SWEET!!!




Awesome! Glad to hear it! :smile:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22753737 - 01/08/16 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree for the most part but there are many "religions", there is dogma from many ideological sources in life. 

my mum was brought up being beaten by nuns from 5/6 years old in a convent. I was brought up around religion but didn't have it imposed. The hypocrisies are rife.

The church as the institution uses religion as a means for power of various forms. it is what happens when man tries to use the divine for their own authority over people. Israel in a sense tries to speak for world jewry. and the caliphate has been established too, in order to seize control of Islam. The vatican is the same kind of thing. All the priests, rabbis, imams, etc. Tools are gna be hijacked and used.

I see religious texts as full of metaphor and allegory which gives hint to divine/good message of sorts but interpretations of those texts are dictated from central authorities for their own aims. There are many people who do manage to follow that good path because they realise they have to rely on their own faculties and follow principles rather than the direction of an earthly rabble of humans dictating dogmatic shit.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22754145 - 01/08/16 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree for the most part but there are many "religions", there is dogma from many ideological sources in life. 

my mum was brought up being beaten by nuns from 5/6 years old in a convent. I was brought up around religion but didn't have it imposed. The hypocrisies are rife.

The church as the institution uses religion as a means for power of various forms. it is what happens when man tries to use the divine for their own authority over people. Israel in a sense tries to speak for world jewry. and the caliphate has been established too, in order to seize control of Islam. The vatican is the same kind of thing. All the priests, rabbis, imams, etc. Tools are gna be hijacked and used.

I see religious texts as full of metaphor and allegory which gives hint to divine/good message of sorts but interpretations of those texts are dictated from central authorities for their own aims. There are many people who do manage to follow that good path because they realise they have to rely on their own faculties and follow principles rather than the direction of an earthly rabble of humans dictating dogmatic shit.




Honestly, I believe people often reflect many of the organic principles of morality (or lack of morality) they innately bear through their personal interpretations of monotheistic religious texts. Religion can serve to amplify the good or bad nature of the person interpreting these ambiguous texts, and also to distort the values of an otherwise good person.

So yes, Enlil is correct. Religion is for the weak. The spineless, who have no conception of critical thinking. Religion devalues critical thinking processes in society. However, it causes more damage than he seems to believe. It causes pain and suffering, self-loathing, and a self-righteous sort of justification for bigotry. It turns good men into evil men. Allows mind control of the masses...


I'm going to stop there... I can rant on and on, and it makes no difference. I find religion, and religious people, generally detestable.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22754275 - 01/08/16 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want to rain on your parade Fal, but you might want to double check that. I think in California you have to be either a Democrat or undeclared, but you can't be a member of a different party. You have until June 7th to change though and you can do it online. http://voteforbernie.org


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22754545 - 01/08/16 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to rain on your parade Fal, but you might want to double check that. I think in California you have to be either a Democrat or undeclared, but you can't be a member of a different party. You have until June 7th to change though and you can do it online. http://voteforbernie.org




That's the site I was looking at a couple weeks ago.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22754613 - 01/08/16 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When addressing Islam, remember not to offend them...



Does anyone know Bernie's position on Islamic terror? Is he for it? Can't seem to find info on it anywhere...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22754786 - 01/08/16 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When addressing Islam, remember not to offend them...



Does anyone know Bernie's position on Islamic terror? Is he for it? Can't seem to find info on it anywhere...




... huh?

:carlinorgasm:

God.. you say... the most........ unique shit... every fucking time you post... fuck.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22755312 - 01/09/16 02:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to rain on your parade Fal, but you might want to double check that. I think in California you have to be either a Democrat or undeclared, but you can't be a member of a different party. You have until June 7th to change though and you can do it online. http://voteforbernie.org



Ya, I guess you're right.  Upon further review, California's Open Primary Act does not apply to Candidates running for US President.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22755313 - 01/09/16 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When addressing Islam, remember not to offend them...



Does anyone know Bernie's position on Islamic terror? Is he for it? Can't seem to find info on it anywhere...



That can't be a serious question, can it???  :wtf:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22755448 - 01/09/16 05:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:smbfacepalm:

youre certainly a special guy, straw man.

check it out at https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22755492 - 01/09/16 05:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The discussion seems to be in its regular state...

I have nothing to add except: Great posts Tipote! I hope everyone reading this thread takes their time to go through em!

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #22755506 - 01/09/16 05:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

YUP - same old straw man! :lol:

ahhh thaaanks maaaan!!!  :blush:
coming from you, that is a great compliment. I think you are an awesome poster!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22756077 - 01/09/16 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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youre certainly a special guy, straw man.

check it out at https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/




thanks for that, nice to know bernie has changed his support for gang raping from an enthusiastic "for" to a nonchalant "against":thumbup:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22756241 - 01/09/16 10:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to rain on your parade Fal, but you might want to double check that. I think in California you have to be either a Democrat or undeclared, but you can't be a member of a different party. You have until June 7th to change though and you can do it online. http://voteforbernie.org



Ya, I guess you're right.  Upon further review, California's Open Primary Act does not apply to Candidates running for US President.




You can still change your party affiliation before the primaries, can't you?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22756260 - 01/09/16 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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youre certainly a special guy, straw man.

check it out at https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/




thanks for that, nice to know bernie has changed his support for gang raping from an enthusiastic "for" to a nonchalant "against":thumbup:




I'm glad to see that the best you right wing fanatical loonies can come up with to attack Bernie is to lie about him repeatedly.

You have yet to make even one substantial argument against any of his policy positions, that I've seen. You attack his character, and make shit up about his views. You're not interested in honest discussion or integrity.

Again, why the fuck are you even here?

You're not changing anyone's mind on anything, strawman, and obviously Rush Limbaugh has made up your mind on everything. It is my understanding that this forum is here for free thinking individuals to deliberate and discuss views. Not your little soap box for irrelevant propagandist horse shit.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #22756351 - 01/09/16 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't feed the troll. Let him starve for attention.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: BoldAsLove] * 2
    #22756419 - 01/09/16 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

his vision is based on movement, if we stay very very still he won't see us.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22756531 - 01/09/16 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, todays news of Europe is that Germany is "exploding". The far-right are out of the street and getting very violent. They are calling Merkel an enemy of the state. This is very serious considering that a politician was already stabbed in the neck by the far-right.

The media is such a catalyst in all this so things can escalate so quickly.

I'm more scared of the far-right than the vast minority of asylum seekers who make criminal gangs. In the long run they will do more to rip Germany and Europe apart than the refugees could have done.

I will remind people that Sexual abuse and theft - as commited by these groups is actually against Sharia law. though of course you always have humans that give their own motives religious "justifcations" with interpretations to permit any abuse.

All belief systems are capable of this. for example.. the racist belief system of the far-right. some of it is expressed here when qman and others say things like -  you can't mix "primitive and sohpisticated cultures". this narrative, which pits "us" VS "them", is dogmatic, hateful, divisive and leads to abuses and violence.


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