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qman said: adding more workers to the US economy only drives wages even lower, it's simple supply and demand at work.
It increases the demand for goods and services when more people have money to spend.
It increases unemployment and lowers wages for US citizens, that DECREASES the demand for "good and services".
A sound argument for a minimum wage increase.
How about this, fine/criminal charges for employers who hire illegals, deport illegals and then hike the minimum wage.
Create a labor market that is favorable to US workers!!!
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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My mistake qman, Sorry. Not quite sure where I saw minimum wage in all that.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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BoldAsLove said: My mistake qman, Sorry. Not quite sure where I saw minimum wage in all that.
HU brought it up, because he can't follow a fucking conversation.
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Create a labor market that is favorable to US workers!!!
I'm all for it.
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Create a labor market that is favorable to US workers!!!
I'm all for it.
Sure, but there's absolutely no reason to wait to hike minimum wage. Do it all at the same time. Let's get back to prosperity now, not later.
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I'm all for it.
Sure, but there's absolutely no reason to wait to hike minimum wage. Do it all at the same time. Let's get back to prosperity now, not later.
I'm all for that too. I think deporting immigrants takes a massive back seat to raising the minimum wage also. If we legalized marijuana at the same time, law enforcement would probably be more inclined to pursue this avenue of raising revenue without hesitation. Just a thought.
Bernie could easily pay for a lot the shit he wants to do by legalizing marijuana and putting a Federal tax on it.
I think I switched gears quite abruptly here lmao... maybe I'm having an HU moment.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I agree with everything you said. But the corporate media won't give Bernie the attention he deserves/needs.
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I don't think he needs cable news media to win. Internet news outlets have given Bernie generous positive attention. I think we may very well be pleasantly surprised come nomination time. I don't think the polls are reliable either, for a number of reasons, and Bernie's supporters are far more energized and enthusiastic than Hillary's. We'll see who turns up at the voting booth 
Morning Joe has been giving Bernie some fantastic airtime too, lately, for what that's worth.
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I agree, and that's what I'm hoping for. I can't vote for Bernie since I'm not a Democrat (I'm registered with the Green Party [Ralph Nader's party]).
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apparently that doesnt matter in some states. I dunno tho. I left the US a week ago, I'm in London at the moment.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles, youve disappointed me, Infowars? and an israeli islamophobic website? your sources are impeccable as always.
obviously, any of these crimes are disgusting.
here is an article i recommend for you and qman ( i suggest reading it after reading your links and their the comments, bubbles)
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Yes, there are vital conversations to be had about integration of values when opening borders to mass migration, especially for people fleeing high pressure environments defined by instability and oppression. But if the furore over this is truly about protecting women - if this is truly about ensuring a world where women can walk down the street safely, without fear of violation or assault, without risk of violence - then let us also use it as a means of addressing what kind of values we want people to integrate into. Because disparaging attitudes towards women and our bodies are already a benchmark of western culture, yet discussing this often encounters a very different kind of reception. Oh, but this was on such a large SCALE some people cry. Show me where western men have hunted in packs this large! It's true that attacks of this size are a rarity. However, behaviour this blatant is not. Ask any woman you know and she'll tell you about being grabbed in the street, at the pub, on the train, in the shops.
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Why is assault only 'real' when it's being done by outsiders? When it's footballers being accused of pack rapes, do we see outraged mainstream voices calling for the removal of all football codes? No, we don't. Rather, we're more likely to hear people blame the victim. Why she was out so late, why she was drinking, why she was dressed like that, why she went home with a man she didn't know. Even now, more than a decade since eleven members of the Cronulla Sharks raped a 19 year old girl in a hotel room, there are countless numbers of people who insist that nothing untoward happened and that she should have known what she was "getting in for".
It shouldn't escape notice that while the mayor of Cologne is being rightly criticised for her ridiculous comments urging women to stay safe by 'keeping men at arms length', similar responses to public attacks are so often met with community support for 'common sense'. There are conservatives who will only crawl out of their holes to care about women if it means they can comfortably flex their racism as well. During these times, they love to criticise feminists - those people who actually do the long, painstaking, undermined and often combative work of defending women and fighting for a better world for us all - of being ignorant about reality. They will call these people things like "rape apologist" as if they have any idea what it means, all the while pretending their real concern is in protecting women from abuse. But it's not. If they were concerned about protecting women from abuse, they wouldn't expend so much aggressive energy on the other 364 days of the year telling women they're overreacting about their experiences or just plain lying. They wouldn't tell women who were groped in bars that this is just part and parcel of going out. They wouldn't insist that women take this kind of behaviour as a compliment and then make them feel that if they can't, they aren't mature or rational enough to live in the 'real world'.
If feminists are refusing to comment on Cologne in exactly the way conservative racists want them to, it isn't because they want to make excuses for certain kinds of men. It isn't because we have become enamoured of the multicultural 'experiment', refusing to condemn it lest we be accused of racism. And it certainly isn't because feminists don't care about women - we are often the only ones who do care, and our voices are met with either vicious anger, scathing ridicule or deafening silence.
What feminists like myself are refusing to do is to participate in the charade pretending these things only matter, are only important, are only violent - indeed, only become REAL - when perpetrated by certain kinds of men. Violence against women occurs throughout all cultures because patriarchy and misogyny thrive everywhere. And yet, in the west we have found countless ways to mitigate it, erase it entirely or acknowledge it but place the blame squarely on the victim's shoulders. If you care about women, care about all women. If you condemn the attacks in Cologne (as you should), condemn also the same, less organised attacks involving the same violation of bodily autonomy that women complain of daily (as you must). Women have the right to be protected from all harassment and violation, not just the kind you disapprove of. You cannot have it both ways.
by using this to brand an entire religion, or refugees, or all migrants - this says alot about your prejudice.
Who cares about even seeing how the facts come out?! We got our conclusion! Its the generic "them"
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I agree, and that's what I'm hoping for. I can't vote for Bernie since I'm not a Democrat (I'm registered with the Green Party [Ralph Nader's party]).
What state are you in? I was looking at a website that describes the nomination process, and it appeared, to me, that most states have open primaries, where party affiliation wouldn't impact you voting for another party.
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Tipote said: Bubbles, youve disappointed me, Infowars? and an israeli islamophobic website? your sources are impeccable as always.
obviously, any of these crimes are disgusting.
here is an article i recommend for you and qman ( i suggest reading it after reading your links and their the comments, bubbles)
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Yes, there are vital conversations to be had about integration of values when opening borders to mass migration, especially for people fleeing high pressure environments defined by instability and oppression. But if the furore over this is truly about protecting women - if this is truly about ensuring a world where women can walk down the street safely, without fear of violation or assault, without risk of violence - then let us also use it as a means of addressing what kind of values we want people to integrate into. Because disparaging attitudes towards women and our bodies are already a benchmark of western culture, yet discussing this often encounters a very different kind of reception. Oh, but this was on such a large SCALE some people cry. Show me where western men have hunted in packs this large! It's true that attacks of this size are a rarity. However, behaviour this blatant is not. Ask any woman you know and she'll tell you about being grabbed in the street, at the pub, on the train, in the shops.
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Why is assault only 'real' when it's being done by outsiders? When it's footballers being accused of pack rapes, do we see outraged mainstream voices calling for the removal of all football codes? No, we don't. Rather, we're more likely to hear people blame the victim. Why she was out so late, why she was drinking, why she was dressed like that, why she went home with a man she didn't know. Even now, more than a decade since eleven members of the Cronulla Sharks raped a 19 year old girl in a hotel room, there are countless numbers of people who insist that nothing untoward happened and that she should have known what she was "getting in for".
It shouldn't escape notice that while the mayor of Cologne is being rightly criticised for her ridiculous comments urging women to stay safe by 'keeping men at arms length', similar responses to public attacks are so often met with community support for 'common sense'. There are conservatives who will only crawl out of their holes to care about women if it means they can comfortably flex their racism as well. During these times, they love to criticise feminists - those people who actually do the long, painstaking, undermined and often combative work of defending women and fighting for a better world for us all - of being ignorant about reality. They will call these people things like "rape apologist" as if they have any idea what it means, all the while pretending their real concern is in protecting women from abuse. But it's not. If they were concerned about protecting women from abuse, they wouldn't expend so much aggressive energy on the other 364 days of the year telling women they're overreacting about their experiences or just plain lying. They wouldn't tell women who were groped in bars that this is just part and parcel of going out. They wouldn't insist that women take this kind of behaviour as a compliment and then make them feel that if they can't, they aren't mature or rational enough to live in the 'real world'.
If feminists are refusing to comment on Cologne in exactly the way conservative racists want them to, it isn't because they want to make excuses for certain kinds of men. It isn't because we have become enamoured of the multicultural 'experiment', refusing to condemn it lest we be accused of racism. And it certainly isn't because feminists don't care about women - we are often the only ones who do care, and our voices are met with either vicious anger, scathing ridicule or deafening silence.
What feminists like myself are refusing to do is to participate in the charade pretending these things only matter, are only important, are only violent - indeed, only become REAL - when perpetrated by certain kinds of men. Violence against women occurs throughout all cultures because patriarchy and misogyny thrive everywhere. And yet, in the west we have found countless ways to mitigate it, erase it entirely or acknowledge it but place the blame squarely on the victim's shoulders. If you care about women, care about all women. If you condemn the attacks in Cologne (as you should), condemn also the same, less organised attacks involving the same violation of bodily autonomy that women complain of daily (as you must). Women have the right to be protected from all harassment and violation, not just the kind you disapprove of. You cannot have it both ways.
by using this to brand an entire religion, or refugees, or all migrants - this says alot about your prejudice.
Who cares about even seeing how the facts come out?! We got our conclusion! Its the generic "them"
I'm not trying to brand an entire race of people, my anger is directed soley at the people committing these crimes.
It would be pretty stupid to say that every muslim man in Europe is out raping white women. Obviously there not, but unfortunately many are.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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The German police chief has been sacked.
A bunch of people have been arrested.
The far-right groups are fucking elated. They are having a field day. I bet even qman popped some champagne.
Looks like the government will be trying to send a strong message that being a refugee doesn't mean you can't get deported.
There are many fears that this case of 100-120 women being mugged OR sexually assaulted (notice that is how everyone is wording it) will be used to change the law. As it stands, the law goes like this..
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This may be changed to one year instead of three. This may be seen as a more reasonable change even if it is reactionary.
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But other lawyers are more cautious about playing loosely with the right to asylum, which is enshrined in the German constitution as well as the Geneva Convention. Oda Jentsch, who represents asylum seekers herself, says the Residence Act can't just be used to deport someone that easily. "It's not just about whether they've been sentenced to one year or three years," she told DW. "It's about whether they represent a danger to the public, and it's not just about whether what they did means they represent a danger, but whether they will still represent a danger in the future - and the whole point of a prison sentence is that you are trying to rehabilitate them."
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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They cover up child molestation.
You think all Christians cover up child molestation? I think the vast majority of religious people are simply weak. Weak minded, perhaps weak willed, but just weak. There are evil people of all faiths and no faith, but that's the minority, IMO.
I can't hate someone because he is weak. I'm not "disgust[ed]" by weakness, and I think your (over)reaction is the product of some personal history that you have with religious people, and probably evinces a bias.
Sure, religious people are willfully ignorant, but most people are to some extent. Maybe you have too high of expecations about humans.
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Tipote said: I dunno tho. I left the US a week ago, I'm in London at the moment.
good for you, what does this have to do with anything???
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/europe/cologne-new-years-eve-attacks.html?_r=0
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In 2011, the celebratory crowds in Egypt’s Tahrir Square began giving way to organized street gangs who targeted and raped women out in the open. Perhaps this was a bad omen for things to come in the region.
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Germany is reeling from the news, hidden for several days because of its political sensitivity, that as many as 90 women were sexually assaulted by a crowd of young men of Middle Eastern appearance outside Cologne's majestic Cathedral on New Year's Eve. This is, as the local police chief put it, a "whole new dimension of crime" for Germans to confront. No woman in North Africa, however, would be the least bit shocked.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-blm-germany-comment-6238119a-b478-11e5-8abc-d09392edc612-20160106-story.html
Maybe instead of this thread being titled "Rise of the far-right in France and Europe" the name could be changed to "The Rise of Muslim Rape Culture in Europe" because that is obviously what is happening...
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Tipote said: because we arent just talking about foreigners. we are talking about those becoming citizens who then in turn contribute to their societies. or they are stateless people or refugees who should be helped to integrate.
Well I don't doubt you personally really want to help these immigrants but I think for the world's governments to do that, it just doesn't seem right. Governments' job is to take care of its citizenry, first and foremost. It is NOT the job of governments to take in stateless people or refugees.
Refugees are protected under the 1951 Refugee Convention, there is an obligation both legal and moral to help them.
The way you put it, it sounds like nations aren't sovereign. Their governments have to obey some sort of outside, higher authority.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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If i was in America i would vote in the primaries. it was relevant.
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yes that was fucked up. There were also groups of men protecting women at these protests.
The egyptian regime, and other misogynists ,before and after the "revolution" used rape as a political weapon. this is not unique to islamic nations, it happens all over the world. sexual assaults during the protests were in part done by the thugs of the state, as well as genuine misogynist protesters.
greater influence and exposure of Salifyya Islam from Saudi Arabia has promoted a real clash within many islamic countries though this doesnt mean that Salifyya is the majority interpretation. Saudi Arabia's ultraconservative brand of Islam has managed to have been exported all over the world as a consequence of huge oil wealth. A tribal society went from huts to skyscrapers in 50 years and brought outdated ideas into the modern era. This still doesn't represent Islam in its entirety. Just as Westbro Baptists and other Christian nutjobs don't represent Christianity.
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the fight of religion against women has been going on for millenia. it is not the everyday Muslims, Christians or Jews that are the problem, it is the orthodox, ultra conservative, manifestations of all these religions that bring these intolerances to the fore and set up the environment for these clashes. GLobalisation has added to a break down and morals in all societies. Conflict between Middle Eastern and Western states have also fuelled polarisations into conservatism.
Misogyny and sexism exist outside the religious sphere too. It is rife everywhere, including the West. So when you focus on these arabs who have commited crimes against women, remember that feminism is a global struggle. By sidelining the feminists in our own countries, we sideline the feminist struggle in other countries.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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Yes, sorry, I did miss that post.
Nations are sovereign, under their sovereignty they signed the 1951 treaty which obligated them to accept refugees. They didn't have to sign. Most of the world's countries have signed. Some have not.
they can still be deported if they are a threat to the state.
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I agree, and that's what I'm hoping for. I can't vote for Bernie since I'm not a Democrat (I'm registered with the Green Party [Ralph Nader's party]).
What state are you in? I was looking at a website that describes the nomination process, and it appeared, to me, that most states have open primaries, where party affiliation wouldn't impact you voting for another party.
Falcon is in Cali
Hey, I just found out they changed the voting laws here in Cali a few years back to an open election system. So I CAN vote for Bernie - SWEET!!!
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