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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
    #22734611 - 01/04/16 05:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Muslims are fucking scum and hate us. Only lib'tard dhimmis suck their cocks.

Fuck Islam. Fuck the Left.

I 100% support the rise of the Right in Europe and Australia, and I hope Trump wins. Now lefties, if Shari'a law were to rule there's no way I'd do what I do. It's one thing doing jail if nicked, it's quite another getting one's fucking head chopped off for drugs!!





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Europe is not going to be ruled by Sharia law. I bet you know nothing about Sharia law.

Muslims arent "fucking scum" and they don't hate us. But they probably hate the ignorance you are spouting.

So are you saying that Muslims only like us when we suck their cocks? Sure, that makes sense..  Homosexuality is seen as a sin in Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

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i sense alot of hate in you.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22735016 - 01/04/16 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, most Muslims are peace loving and kind individuals... That's why Norway has begun teaching them that it's NOT OKAY to rape little girls and boys, but I'm sure that's not because of their culture, prolly because of Donald Trump or some such rubbish...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/20/report-norway-is-offering-classes-to-teach-muslim-immigrants-not-to-rape/


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/europes-rape-epidemic-western-women-will-be-sacrificed-at-the-alter-of-mass-migration/





I'm all for immigrants or natives to be taught whats right and wrong when it comes to treating women. Rape, in all cases, should be dealt with by a firm hand.
I'm all for immigrants who do come from countries in which relations with women are bad, to be educated. Efforts at integration on both sides are vital.

But you are not really showing that this has got anything to do with Islam. You can perhaps make a case about various countries, yes, but generalising this to Islam is a bit of a jump.

First of all, Sweden has changed what it qualifies as rape. Since the redefinition some years ago, numbers have increased significantly. Rape statistics by its nature are somewhat inaccurate. Some don't ever come forward and some are increasingly coming forward when they see others coming forward.

When it comes to Norway.. this is what the Ministry of Justice and Policing said about those conclusions..

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    Statistics regarding assault rapists:

    The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners”, which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.”

    Yours Sincerely,

    Grethe Kleivan

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Norway has a rape and other sexual crime problem..

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Sexual violence against women in Scandinavia shares characteristics seen in more unequal societies: It is all too common and rarely reported, and those who commit it are even more rarely convicted. Ancient prejudices about male prerogative and modern assumptions about female emancipation conspire to create a thick wall of silence, shame and legal ambiguity.

One in 10 Norwegian women over the age of 15 has been raped, according to the country’s largest shelter organization, the Secretariat of the Shelter Movement. But at least 80 percent of these cases are never brought to official attention and only 10 percent of those that are end in a conviction, the Justice Ministry says.

Nowhere is this taboo more stubborn than in the family home, long considered off-limits for law enforcement and the state.

“The statistics tell us that the safest place for women is outside, on the street — most rapes happen at home,” said Tove Smaadahl, general manager of the Shelter Movement. In a 2005 survey by the Norwegian Institute for Urban and Regional Research, 9 percent of female respondents in a relationship reported experiencing sexual assault.

“No, we don’t have equality between men and women,” Ms. Smaadahl said, “not until we have addressed the issue of relationship rape.” from here




According to the Oslo Policy Study...

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The majority of registered perpetrators in cases of reported rape in Oslo in 2010 have Norwegian citizenship, as has been the case in every previous rape study. In 2010 this went for 61.2% of the perpetrators, which is relatively stable compared to the material from 2007 (60.3%). A relatively high proportion, 12.5%, of the registered perpetrators are from other parts of Europe, and taken together almost three quarters of the perpetrators in 2010 have European citizenship. For the rest, 10.5% are from Africa, 9.2% from the Middle East, 4.6% from Asia and 2% from America.




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The proportion of perpetrators (unique persons) of Norwegian national background is the group whose representation increases the most, comprising 38.2% of perpetrators. Together this brings the proportion of perpetrators with a European continental background to a total of 51.9%.




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Crude generalizations that have given the impression that rapists are only foreigners – and primarily Muslims – are shown to be inadequate and erroneous. see here for more




Sexual crimes are not part of Islam. Can you show me how they are? Are religions used to commit sexual crimes? yeh sure, but can you show me who this applies here?

Is there a serious problem? of course there is. but on what grounds can you say this is specifically related to Islam?
There is a rape epidemic in India, are we going to say its something about Hinduism?
Are you going to start talking about FGM? Also nothing to do with Islam.

Its true that there was a rape gang in Rotherham, England which was largely of Pakistani origin but there were Europeans involved too. At best you can say that all countries have a serious rape problem. Pakistan certainly, India certainly. Do your best not to assume this can be generalised to such huge groups

Majority of Rotherham child exploitation suspects are white, claims new report

I would however agree that political correctness does hinder the willingness to talk about these issues and to tackle them properly. In the gap of people not talking about it openly, it is the ignorant who are dominate vocally with large generalisations and assumptions that distort the picture.




Why do you waste your time posting such nonsense?  Of course the native population commits more sexual crimes, they are usually 90% of the general population!!!

It's about the MASSIVE disproportional amount of sexual crimes committed by Muslims, that's a statistical FACT, stop trying the justify the unjustifiable.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #22735107 - 01/04/16 09:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for being so concerned about my time, it didnt take that long.

Yes there are disproportionate amount of sexual crimes committed by immigrants compared to the % of the population.

what unjustifiable thing am I justifying??

My points were that to portray these statistics as more muslims = more sex crime is not accurate and that the articles about rapes in Scandinavia are not saying this.

It has already been claimed by islamophobic groups that it was muslims that did ALL the rapes. This being portrayed like that open gates propaganda piece that astral posted - as though floods of muslims are flooding in and just raping anything they see because its their culture.

if you want to show us some statistics linked to a point about muslims and rape, then please do.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22735137 - 01/04/16 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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thanks for being so concerned about my time, it didnt take that long.

Yes there are disproportionate amount of sexual crimes committed by immigrants compared to the % of the population.

what unjustifiable thing am I justifying??

My points were that to portray these statistics as more muslims = more sex crime is not accurate and that the articles about rapes in Scandinavia are not saying this.

It has already been claimed by islamophobic groups that it was muslims that did ALL the rapes. This being portrayed like that open gates propaganda piece that astral posted - as though floods of muslims are flooding in and just raping anything they see because its their culture.

if you want to show us some statistics linked to a point about muslims and rape, then please do.




More Muslims = more rape.  Why?  Because they commit more rape/sexual assaults than the general population in the EU, this isn't rocket science.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #22735159 - 01/04/16 09:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)


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    #22735245 - 01/04/16 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

come on, really qman, i actually expected better of you. thats your source?

btw foreign-born does not = muslim

are you talking about immigrants or are you talking about muslims? i know they are almost interchangable to you. we can just use "other" if you prefer.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22736944 - 01/04/16 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so Norway acually does see the problem and is taking steps to address it. Not sure why you reject the notion of this being because of Islam. Even Norway admits Muslims are scum who rape and they are trying to fix the problem.  Yet, you still deny it. Do you not see Norway admitting that Islam culture embraces rape? Smdh...


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    #22737003 - 01/04/16 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22738463 - 01/05/16 05:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so Norway acually does see the problem and is taking steps to address it. Not sure why you reject the notion of this being because of Islam. Even Norway admits Muslims are scum who rape and they are trying to fix the problem.  Yet, you still deny it. Do you not see Norway admitting that Islam culture embraces rape? Smdh...






Norway hasnt said that Islam embraces rape
I reject the notion of this being about islam because there is nothing to back this up.
Norway does not "admit Muslims are scum who rape"

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    #22738575 - 01/05/16 06:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dirty immigrant Muslim rapists - this is their attitude to our women!




lol. This is your attitude. "our" women? Wtf are you talking about?

The first video doesnt seem to be a Muslim, he seems to be from eastern/south eastern europe to me.
Even if he was Muslim, this isnt a case for how Islam makes rapists. Its more a case that young men are often socially and sexually retarded.

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This one is particularly sick!
http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/watch-video-from-germany-muslims-brag-about-gang-raping-virgin-girl.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter




Pamela Geller is a well established Islamophobe. I would encourage you to look into her affiliations and her funding. Here is a link about her, all it does is make clear she is nothing but a retard.

This video obviously is a disgrace and these people should be fucked up. I doubt they are escaping consequences. And again, this is not a case that Islam OR immigrants breeds rapists. It makes the case that young men are sometimes rapists.


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Rapist immigrants on the prowl...






Not quite sure what kind of point you are trying to make with this video.


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While lib'tards make excuses and defend these koranimals, Australia gave a gang of Muslim rapists record sentences. Of course, the leftists all howled that it was "razzust!" ...typical red traitors.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/bilal-skaf-how-the-month-long-rampage-unfolded/story-fnmx0wm1-1227503026588




Dude, you are a serious racist. koranimals? Australia has a long record historically and to the present day of gross racism. Land of Murdoch.

your link starts with this..

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Over four horrifying weeks from August to September, a gang of Lebanese-Australian Muslim youths went on a rape rampage targeting young, non-Muslim girls.




Where does it show that it was because they were muslim? Why arent you making the case that it is because they were lebanese origin or because they were australian, or because they were youths?!
Where does it show that these dickheads specifically targetted non-muslims?

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Didn't stop there. The Muslim leaders also piped up angrily with the worst bile from the Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, who blamed the rape victims, saying they were:

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."




Absolutely this is a disgusting view but its certainly not unique to Muslims. Many men in the world respond like this. A woman is raped and the men will say, "well, what were you wearing?"


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And then the catmeat sheik and his side kick towel head, Keyser Trad, denied it saying their Arabic was misinterpreted.

The fact is the Muslim turd world vermin have no right to be in the West given their Islam has already trashed the shitholes they're from. High profile YouTuber Pat Condell makes a good argument to keep the scum out!





towelhead? Muslim turd world vermin?? you have some serious problems, mate.
"high profile YouTuber Pat Condell" doesnt have ANY good arguments to make, let alone ones to support keeping muslims out.

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Europe is not going to be ruled by Sharia law. I bet you know nothing about Sharia law.




Perhaps you should send that memo to Home Secretary Theresa May, to assuage the UK population that Shari’a creep is not under way and the Muslim women in the UK have nothing to worry about under Islamic jurisprudence *sarcasm*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3370140/Probe-Islamic-courts-dispensing-justice-start-weeks-amid-fears-spread-Sharia-law-UK.html

An independent inquiry into UK Sharia courts ordered by Home Secretary Theresa May will get underway in the new year and report in 2016, it has been confirmed today.

The probe follows growing concern about how the courts operate a parallel justice system which works against women in Muslim communities.




You original statement was that Europe would be ruled by Sharia law. That is very different from Sharia law being practiced. It certainly doesnt mean it takes over from UK domestic law.

What Keith Vaz says in your daily mail link is correct. It absolutely needs to be looked at. My point still stands that I bet you don't really understand what Sharia law is at all. You think it means you get your head cut off for taking drugs?
The Sharia guy in the video on that article is absolutely a dick. Is that unique to Islam? Seen orthodox judaism? Orthodox christianity? Youre just making the case that people go way too far with religion and chat shit.

BTW the daily mail is infamous for its sensationalist stories. Most of their stories manage to blame immigrants or muslims some way or another. Its also a paper that historically loved Hitler too.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22738613 - 01/05/16 07:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hanne Kristin Rohde, a former head of the violent crime section of the Oslo Police Department, said she ran into a wall of hostility when, in 2011 while still in the police force, she blamed sexual violence by foreign men on cultural factors and went public with data suggesting that immigrants committed a hugely disproportionate number of rapes.

“This was a big problem but it was difficult to talk about it,” Ms. Rohde said recently, asserting that there was “a clear statistical connection” between sexual violence and male migrants from countries where “women have no value of their own.”

“There are lots of men who haven’t learned that women have value,” said Ms. Rohde, who wants mandatory sexual conduct classes for all new male migrants. “This is the biggest problem, and it is a cultural problem.”




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…In Denmark, lawmakers are pushing to have such sex education included in mandatory language classes for refugees. The German region of Bavaria, the main entry point to Germany for asylum seekers, is already experimenting with such classes at a shelter for teenage migrants in the town of Passau.




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The first such program to teach immigrants about local norms and how to avoid misreading social signals was initiated in Stavanger, the center of Norway’s oil industry and a magnet for migrants, after a series of rapes from 2009 to 2011.

Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.”




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22738803 - 01/05/16 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So you can't even cherrypick 3 stories that support your claim without having to scour 3 countries?


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    #22739077 - 01/05/16 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Most of these women weren't raped, so I'm sure this one is no big deal, but, it may stile rile up those fascists who don't want there women assaulted...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

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The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central railway station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 drunk and aggressive young men were involved.
City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22739566 - 01/05/16 12:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder sometimes whether you think I'm defending rapists..

Is there a problem with rape globally? yes
do "natives" rape? yes
do immigrants rape? yes
are there cultural differences people might have towards women? yes
does this mean that muslims are rapists? no
Does this suggest that islam promotes rape? no
is this any basis for which to kick out all muslims or all arab/black immigrants? no

if you want to make a case, however, that socially and sexually retarded young men rape, then we are getting somewhere but this is not unique to muslim and/or immigrant populations. i can accept that some people of some countries have a weird view about women. I have witnessed myself that many young indian men are fucking weird about women especially when it comes to western women but it still cannot be generalised to the entire population.

I've said before that americans have raped iraqi muslim children, should that mean that americans are rapists? that there is something about american culture that encourages rape against muslims?

remember that not long ago in the west - rape within marriage was not seen as an issue, even in the 60s rape was rife in the west, alot of the sexual crimes over the last 30 or 40 years are finally coming out now! The West has come far but its far from sorted. Even in the British Parliament there are elites who are deep in the world of paedophilia.

it's reasonable to understand cultural differences but these kind of blanket labels of muslims only distort the conversations. Rape affects all communities and to oversimplify it as an islamic thing is just plain stupid.

Should there be language and cultural classes of some kind? Yes
Should people who rape get fucked over by the law? fuck yes.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22739631 - 01/05/16 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^why should countries spend money and resources on language and cultural classes for foreigners though?  Seems like money that could have otherwise been spent on educating the natives.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
    #22739705 - 01/05/16 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

because we arent just talking about foreigners. we are talking about those becoming citizens who then in turn contribute to their societies. or they are stateless people or refugees who should be helped to integrate.

often even immigrants that come to work alone do not need to learn english but it surely helps in the long run.

Migration isnt just going to go away - unless you want all countries to put up large walls like Trump wants and then we can all live in country fortresses and never mix with people but its never going to happen. Migration is a fact of life.

There are large parts of France with British populations who speak hardly any French. Thats not good either.

if you are just putting it solely down to an issue of money then there are larger issues at place in our societies when it comes to money. and there are more important things than money. Income inequality is getting worse and worse. Why should 1% have the majority of the wealth? Our own educational systems are underfunded, that is not an argument to not fund language courses, thats an argument for more funding into education in general.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
    #22739720 - 01/05/16 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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^why should countries spend money and resources on language and cultural classes for foreigners though?  Seems like money that could have otherwise been spent on educating the natives.




Well that's exactly the point, why put up with any of this immigrant population?  They bring nothing good to the table, who wants social services leeches that commit a massive disproportional amount of crime?  Not the native population.

I could understand if there was a shortage of labor and the host country was desperate for low skilled labor and the immigrants made a strong effort to assimilate, but that's not what is happening in the EU, it's the complete opposite.

When my Polish ancestors came to the US they had jobs waiting for them, they didn't use social services, within one generation they were assimilating and competing with the native population in high level academics.

They didn't commit crimes and they didn't need "rape classes" so they didn't sexual assault random females. They didn't complain about the natives religion, they didn't act aggressively towards the natives, they were thankful instead of confrontational.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #22740591 - 01/05/16 04:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've said before that americans have raped iraqi muslim children,




really? can you prove that?

didn't think so...

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    #22741261 - 01/05/16 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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because we arent just talking about foreigners. we are talking about those becoming citizens who then in turn contribute to their societies. or they are stateless people or refugees who should be helped to integrate.





Well I don't doubt you personally really want to help these immigrants but I think for the world's governments to do that, it just doesn't seem right.  Governments' job is to take care of its citizenry, first and foremost.  It is NOT the job of governments to take in stateless people or refugees. 

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