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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22631419 - 12/08/15 09:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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yeh i agree, that voter alienation absolutely contributes to all this.

i dont know what the % turn out is these days in the US but in Europe its lucky to be in the 60s. i wonder at what percentage it would have to be for it to be widely accepted its not representative anymore. People are saying it already really but the game goes on.

electoral reform is definitely needed. There should at least be a "none of the above" box, otherwise the spoiled votes are just put down to incompetance rather than a statement. In America, money and politics have to be separated.




We can cast blank votes. A none of the above so to speak. Can't you? We can simply not select any party but still show up and hand in our blank form. In that case you will be counted in the statistics for the turn out but you didn't actually vote.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22631431 - 12/08/15 09:44 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

hehe :thanx:

i think just rage quit.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: circastes]
    #22631440 - 12/08/15 09:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Why are they the "far" right?  Looks like a pejorative prejudice against people with different beliefs.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22631448 - 12/08/15 09:47 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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yeh i agree, that voter alienation absolutely contributes to all this.

i dont know what the % turn out is these days in the US but in Europe its lucky to be in the 60s. i wonder at what percentage it would have to be for it to be widely accepted its not representative anymore. People are saying it already really but the game goes on.

electoral reform is definitely needed. There should at least be a "none of the above" box, otherwise the spoiled votes are just put down to incompetance rather than a statement. In America, money and politics have to be separated.




We can cast blank votes. A none of the above so to speak. Can't you?




well yes absolutely but maybe that is not clear enough. People who don't fill in the voting card properly also get classed as a blank vote i guess. Voting analysts can just put it down to voter incompetence and say people are just retarded and cant fill it in properly. If you had a none of the above box then you can tell the difference between the fools that can't fill in the card and those who just have no confidence in the system/candidates. makes it crystal clear.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631455 - 12/08/15 09:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Our 'far right' party is actually very left wing in most subjects but very xenophobic and nationalist on top of that.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631461 - 12/08/15 09:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Why are they the "far" right?  Looks like a pejorative prejudice against people with different beliefs.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics#Definition_and_terminology

its just what you call it..

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Far-right politics commonly include authoritarianism, anti-communism, and nativism.Often, the term "far right" is applied to fascists and neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far-right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and—in the case of Nazism—genocide of people deemed to be inferior. Claims that superior people should proportionally have greater rights than inferior people are sometimes associated with the far right.The far right has historically favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses. Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and migration), one far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritised.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22631463 - 12/08/15 09:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I guess it would be clearer. But if the percentage gets high enough I doubt anyone will think its incompetence. I should probably run a youtube campaign to get everyone to cast a blank vote next election. It has a huge potential to go viral :laugh:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #22631492 - 12/08/15 09:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Why are they the "far" right?  Looks like a pejorative prejudice against people with different beliefs.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics#Definition_and_terminology

its just what you call it..

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Far-right politics commonly include authoritarianism, anti-communism, and nativism.Often, the term "far right" is applied to fascists and neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far-right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and—in the case of Nazism—genocide of people deemed to be inferior. Claims that superior people should proportionally have greater rights than inferior people are sometimes associated with the far right.The far right has historically favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses. Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and migration), one far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritised.







Its what you call it to disparage it.  They would not generally compare themselves to fascists and neo-nazis.  That is just shit talking by people who disagree.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22631505 - 12/08/15 09:56 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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WE NEED TO GO BACK TO PEOPLE HAVING TO BE PROPERTY OWNERS TO VOTE, OTHERWISE THE POOR JUST VOTE TO STEAL FROM HARDWORKING AMERICANS, ITS THEFT BY BALLOT

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LOL

yeh so only rich, predominantly white, people can have the vote? less than 70% of the country? poor people work hard too you know! probably significantly much more than rich people. you just think they are laying around all day?

I thought conservatives are supposed to care about the principles of the founding fathers, of the constitution and all that jazz?

you know trump inherited a shit ton of money? its easier to make money when you already have loads. people born with money act like they worked really hard for it and it was all by themselves.




I DONT CARE ABOUT TRUMP, IM NOT A JEALOUS SISSY

THE MIDDLE CLASS ACTIALLY OWNS PROPERTY TOO, ISNT THAT WHO BS IS ALWAYS YAPPING ABOUT?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631520 - 12/08/15 09:58 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

its a technical term which DOES apply. I am French and British with a politics degree and can tell you this is the rise of fascism in Europe

people in germany didnt say - yeeeh we vote for concentration camps!! awesoooomeeee. These things are gradual.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22631534 - 12/08/15 10:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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I DONT CARE ABOUT TRUMP, IM NOT A JEALOUS SISSY

THE MIDDLE CLASS ACTIALLY OWNS PROPERTY TOO, ISNT THAT WHO BS IS ALWAYS YAPPING ABOUT?




Bernie is talking about the middle class and the poorest people in society.

"jealous sissy"...?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22631549 - 12/08/15 10:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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its a technical term which DOES apply.




It doesn't.  It a pejorative label and insult used by their opponents.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631568 - 12/08/15 10:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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its a technical term which DOES apply.




It doesn't.  It a pejorative label and insult used by their opponents.




please explain why it doesnt apply. Journalists throughout Europe refer to the FN as far-right. you think they are just being mean?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22631575 - 12/08/15 10:07 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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you think they are just being mean?




Yep.  I already explained why it doesn't apply.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631586 - 12/08/15 10:10 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

where? can you quote it?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #22631612 - 12/08/15 10:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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They would not generally compare themselves to fascists and neo-nazis.





Its a disparaging comment done to minimize and dehumanize them.  The same thing is done when the Islamic State is referred to as "extremists" by journalists and politicians.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22631641 - 12/08/15 10:19 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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WE NEED TO GO BACK TO PEOPLE HAVING TO BE PROPERTY OWNERS TO VOTE, OTHERWISE THE POOR JUST VOTE TO STEAL FROM HARDWORKING AMERICANS, ITS THEFT BY BALLOT

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the way we vote needs to change. yes. but only to create a more fair voting system.Not further segregate the social classes


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631685 - 12/08/15 10:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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They would not generally compare themselves to fascists and neo-nazis.





Its a disparaging comment done to minimize and dehumanize them.  The same thing is done when the Islamic State is referred to as "extremists" by journalists and politicians.




That's a bit much.

What is the politically correct label for them then? For the French National Front and ISIS?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22631705 - 12/08/15 10:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the politically correct label for them then? For the French National Front and ISIS?




It looks like you just answered your own question.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DieCommie]
    #22631724 - 12/08/15 10:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

O come on, we can't classify political groups anymore?


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