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George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you
    #2261473 - 01/22/04 12:46 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2261944 - 01/22/04 04:21 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

"It's no exaggeration to say that when you bite into a Big Mac, you're helping the McDonald's empire to wreck this planet.
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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2262058 - 01/22/04 05:41 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

What's wrong with McDonalds?

Other than the fact their burgers taste like shit.... nothing.

They provide a service that people want, and provide employment (often first jobs for teens) to many.

If people are too stupid to make the proper choices when eating, it's not the problem of government to tag along and hold their hands.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2262087 - 01/22/04 06:15 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

The WHO is talking about a lot more than fast food, right? They are talking about sugar, refined foods, etc. I just threw in the big M cuz it's so symbolic the junk food industry.


People in the first world get hooked on this shit when they are kids, when they can't very well decide rationally, and habits carry on...it would be easier to achieve healthy eating habits if the population wasn't subjected to all that advertising, for one. And McDonalds certainly does that. The spend a lot of money convincing people they want their 'service'.

"The draft plan suggests nations consider advising people to limit sugar and refined foods, restricting junk food marketing, improving food labeling and raising prices on unhealthy foods."

Sounds like a good plan to me, man. Labeling is long over due, and it's honest. Advising people with good advice is good, restricting advertising or put another way...lessening encouragement of junk food consumption is good, and everyones heard of the 'fat tax', which would raise the price and discourage junk food consuption.

Government should and could encourage society to develop in a way that is healthy. Even if it means McDonalds and friends won't make as much money.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2262153 - 01/22/04 07:57 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

And it is the industry that is behind this official objection by the US government.

Why does the US government support what's good for industialists with paid-lobbyists rather than what's good for the civilization? Everyone knows we should eat less sugar and fat. Why not discourage that sort of consumption. Why not subsidise healthy foods somehow to encourage their consumption and production?

Everyone knows that we'd be way better off as a society if we could cut down on junk food. But this neo-conservative government wants to let big junk-food encourage people to eat crap. That's what they are serving for dinner. Crap. And they let on it's good. Ol' Bushy doesn't even wanna tell ya it's crap or make it easier to get some good stuff.

It just further illustrates the character of this style of government. (neo-conservative). They never have any vision of society.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2262217 - 01/22/04 09:49 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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If people are too stupid to make the proper choices when eating, it's not the problem of government to tag along and hold their hands. 




what's funny is that the second the government starts regulating our eating habits, many on this site will claim it to be a violation of our civil rights (which it is) even though they now like to place blame on the company that is being regulated.  A vicious fat-ladden circle. :thumbup:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2262624 - 01/22/04 01:25 PM (18 years, 23 hours ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
What's wrong with McDonalds?

Other than the fact their burgers taste like shit.... nothing.

They provide a service that people want, and provide employment (often first jobs for teens) to many.

If people are too stupid to make the proper choices when eating, it's not the problem of government to tag along and hold their hands.




i hate to say it but he's right. Theres nothing stoppng you from reserching dietary health and/or cooking and living heathily. Is personal respnsibility and we all have it. Im 22 and buy my meat at a butcher, vegtables at a market, and only go to the supermarket for things i can't find at local markets.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2262628 - 01/22/04 01:28 PM (18 years, 23 hours ago)

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carbonhoots said:
It just further illustrates the character of this style of government. (neo-conservative). They never have any vision of society.




It has nothing to do with government. Its not thier responsiblity to make sure you take respnsibility for your health.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2262692 - 01/22/04 01:56 PM (18 years, 22 hours ago)

what have you done with the REAL Azmodeus? :shocked:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262723 - 01/22/04 02:13 PM (18 years, 22 hours ago)

I also have to agree with you conservatives on this one(perhaps just by virtue of the fact that I love fast food). The only fast food chain that I see claiming their food is good for you is Subway, and as far as I know, it is(not counting the chips they give you with your meal). Anyone who actually believes that McDonald's or Burger King or Jack in the Box is healthy deserves to get fat and die of a heart attack before they're 50.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: silversoul7]
    #2262744 - 01/22/04 02:23 PM (18 years, 22 hours ago)

i swear this thread is becomming like Bizzaro world. I agree with Silversoul. I go to a fast food place probably once or twice a week but i work out so i keep that fat in check. Besides, my company caters our lunches so i can always eat healthy if i choose to.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262858 - 01/22/04 03:21 PM (18 years, 21 hours ago)

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Innvertigo said:
what have you done with the REAL Azmodeus? :shocked:




I've always been for independant thinking. :smirk:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2262872 - 01/22/04 03:27 PM (18 years, 21 hours ago)

This doesn't really have anything to do with individual thinking as it does individual responsibility....but i see your point.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2262873 - 01/22/04 03:27 PM (18 years, 21 hours ago)

Fuck, guess where im going for lunch today?...mc. i shoulda made a tuna sandwich this morning... :rolleyes: :mad: :shake:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2262877 - 01/22/04 03:29 PM (18 years, 21 hours ago)

not when ya can sue, i say eat away. :thumbup:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: silversoul7]
    #2263840 - 01/22/04 09:55 PM (18 years, 14 hours ago)

Oh come on you guys...the WHO is saying that the promotion of this type of food should be limited.

Being a 30 billion a year company (I hear that's the size of McDonalds market) gives you power. Power of persuasion through advertising, image consultants,etc. whatever money can buy. The WHO say there is a need to counterbalance this power.

And, for the record, I remember a few years ago that McDonalds had a placemat for their plastic trays that stated "McDonalds...part of a healthy lifestyle" and it showed pictures of 21 meals, three a day, breakfast, lunch, dinner, over a week, and McDonalds products appeared on one of the daily meals.

There are laws regulating the promotion of alcohol, smokes, why not junk food?


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2263872 - 01/22/04 10:08 PM (18 years, 14 hours ago)

carbonhoots writes:

Oh come on you guys...the WHO is saying that the promotion of this type of food should be limited.

Limited by whom? Using whose money? The W.H.O. is full of shit.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with MacDonald's food apart from the crappy taste. Should it be eaten in mass quantities three times a day for the rest of your life? Probably not. But that can be said of a lot of stuff.

Being a 30 billion a year company (I hear that's the size of McDonalds market) gives you power. Power of persuasion through advertising, image consultants,etc. whatever money can buy. The WHO say there is a need to counterbalance this power.

The W.H.O. is full of shit. There is no "need" to counterbalance this "power". What steps did the government take to persuade you not to eat at MacDonald's? How many tax dollars were spent on converting you from a helpless Mickie D addict to a health food fanatic?

There are laws regulating the promotion of alcohol, smokes, why not junk food?

Standard Libbie answer -- "There oughtta be a law!"

Just because there currently are laws (which contravene the first amendment, by the way) restricting what one may say about cigs and booze doesn't mean there should be.

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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Phred]
    #2264605 - 01/23/04 03:15 AM (18 years, 9 hours ago)

You say some funny things sometimes!

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with MacDonald's food apart from the crappy taste




The first amendment yet, hardy har, har. I don't think it was meant to protect liars, but rather to protect the criticizing of authority.

Like those warnings they force smoke companies to put on their packs..."oh those unconstitutional democratic governments, forcing us to tell the truth, they should go to jail for violating the constitution if it wasn't for the liberal courts"



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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2265044 - 01/23/04 08:48 AM (18 years, 3 hours ago)

carbonhoots writes:

You say some funny things sometimes!

Such as?

The first amendment yet, hardy har, har. I don't think it was meant to protect liars, but rather to protect the criticizing of authority.

Even assuming for the sake of argument your opinion of its intended purpose is accurate, to which "liars" are you referring? Which lies can be found in MacDonald's advertising?

Like those warnings they force smoke companies to put on their packs..."oh those unconstitutional democratic governments, forcing us to tell the truth, they should go to jail for violating the constitution if it wasn't for the liberal courts"

You act surprised that some legislators in the US have managed to get unconstitutional legislation passed. Surely you are not so naive that this comes as a surprise to you.

However, to address the issue of labelling poisons -- it is undeniable that nicotine is a poison. A hamburger is not. MacDonald's food is just that -- food. It may not be food you approve of, but it is nonetheless food, not poison.

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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Phred]
    #2265341 - 01/23/04 11:48 AM (18 years, 43 minutes ago)

it's not the food that I take issue with so much as
the union busting, poor treatment of workers,
waste issues, pandering to kidsat a very young
age and the pillaging of the 3rd world in the name
of a $.99 McCrapwhich.

but that's a lot to get onto a label....


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: afoaf]
    #2265374 - 01/23/04 12:06 PM (18 years, 26 minutes ago)

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afoaf said:
it's not the food that I take issue with so much as
the union busting, poor treatment of workers,
waste issues, pandering to kidsat a very young
age and the pillaging of the 3rd world in the name
of a $.99 McCrapwhich.

but that's a lot to get onto a label....



Ya, I'll agree to that. I don't think McDonald's is exactly a model for business ethics, but I haven't seen them claim anywhere that their food is healthy.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: afoaf]
    #2265696 - 01/23/04 02:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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it's not the food that I take issue with so much as
the union busting, poor treatment of workers,




As far as i know unions aren't a right. I'm not really a fan of unions, i believe they had their place and in some industries they may be ok but not for the McDonals corp. As for the poor treatment of their employees, how do they treat them bad?


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2265727 - 01/23/04 02:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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carbonhoots said:





:lol:
I can just see the picture they put on my bigmac of what a person looks like after 10 years of eating mcdonalds... :lol:


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Phred]
    #2266389 - 01/23/04 06:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with MacDonald's food apart from the crappy taste.




That is what's funny.

It's funny because most people think McDonalds actually tastes alright, (but it makes you feel bad). You claim the opposite.

It's not funny when you have to explain it though.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: silversoul7]
    #2266486 - 01/23/04 06:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think McDonald's is exactly a model for business ethics, but I haven't seen them claim anywhere that their food is healthy.




From their website...

McDonald's serves a wide range of high-quality foods that can fit into a balanced diet.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2266505 - 01/23/04 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, they do serve salads, so I don't think that would constitute a lie.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2266599 - 01/23/04 07:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you are correct, unions are not a right, but when a
corporation goes out of it's way to bust up union
organizing, going so far as to close down shops, that's
just raw.

mind you, I don't really like unions, but we're talking
about poorly paid, poorly trained employees who gain
little from their duties at work.

working at mcdonalds is like renting, you don't gain any
equity in experience or knowledge.

sure, it's their choice to work for such a place, but
principally, I disagree with the way they handle their
workforce. doubly so when you see successful burger
joints that pride themselves on good employee relations,
business practices and food quality.

I'm not convinced that treating workers like shit is
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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2266777 - 01/23/04 09:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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People in the first world get hooked on this shit when they are kids, when they can't very well decide rationally, and habits carry on...it would be easier to achieve healthy eating habits if the population wasn't subjected to all that advertising, for one.




I suppose the fault of their "addiction" is, you guessed it, the government. It certaintly isn't their parents fault, why, that'd be accepting personal responsibility when it's so much easier to blame the government! Maybe we should make it illegal to advertise for "dangerous" food's such as McDonalds. It's interesting how you are, most likely, pro-drug,but are against advertising for fast food. Doesn't the peoples right to do as they please carry over to food?
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And McDonalds certainly does that. The spend a lot of money convincing people they want their 'service'.




So does Subway, which offers low-fat alternatives. Should McDonalds be punished for making ap roduct that people want?


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2266783 - 01/23/04 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

don't eat at mcdonald's. don't work there. don't buy stock in the company. there you go. none of your business anymore.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2266940 - 01/23/04 10:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I suppose the fault of their "addiction" is, you guessed it, the government. It certaintly isn't their parents fault, why, that'd be accepting personal responsibility when it's so much easier to blame the government! Maybe we should make it illegal to advertise for "dangerous" food's such as McDonalds. It's interesting how you are, most likely, pro-drug,but are against advertising for fast food. Doesn't the peoples right to do as they please carry over to food?

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The WHO is talking about promoting healthy foods, and promoting awarness about unhealthy ones.

I think that's a good idea,. George Bush doesn't, some people think the WHO is full of shit, some people think George Bush is full of shit, some people think McDonalds is healthy , others don't. (some people think you should have the constitutional right to lie in advertising, other don't)

If the WHO wants to promote healthy food and corporate America wants to promote, let's say, cheap quality but high profit food, whose will should prevail, the WHO's on behalf of almost everybody, or the will of a few people who make zillions off it? We are talking about promotion of food here.

I say the democratic majority's will should prevail. If democracy doesn't agree, fine. But so far ol' Bushy's the only one. The majority of world opinion is against him.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2267213 - 01/24/04 02:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What are the WHO's recommendations on drugs that you like? If they are opposed to your consumption of recreational drugs, would you like countries to adopt their recommendations even if it means more of your peaceful behaviors will be outlawed or criminal sanctions will be increased against you?


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    #2267838 - 01/24/04 10:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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By MEGAN LEHMANN

January 22, 2004 -- LAST February, Morgan Spurlock decided to become a gastronomical guinea pig.

His mission: To eat three meals a day for 30 days at McDonald's and document the impact on his health.

Scores of cheeseburgers, hundreds of fries and dozens of chocolate shakes later, the formerly strapping 6-foot-2 New Yorker - who started out at a healthy 185 pounds - had packed on 25 pounds.

But his supersized shape was the least of his problems.

Within a few days of beginning his drive-through diet, Spurlock, 33, was vomiting out the window of his car, and doctors who examined him were shocked at how rapidly Spurlock's entire body deteriorated.

"It was really crazy - my body basically fell apart over the course of 30 days," Spurlock told The Post.

His liver became toxic, his cholesterol shot up from a low 165 to 230, his libido flagged and he suffered headaches and depression.

Spurlock charted his journey from fit to flab in a tongue-in-cheek documentary, which he has taken to the Sundance Film Festival with the hopes of getting a distribution deal.

"Super Size Me" explores the obesity epidemic that plagues America today - a sort of "Bowling for Columbine" for fast food.

As well as documenting his own burger-fueled bulk-up, Spurlock travels to 20 cities across America, interviewing people on the street, health experts and a lobbyist for the fast-food industry.

Despite making dozens of phone calls, Spurlock fails to get anyone from McDonald's to agree to an on-camera interview.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's told The Post yesterday that no representatives from the corporation had seen "Super Size Me."

"Consumers can achieve balance in their daily dining decisions by choosing from our array of quality offerings and range of portion sizes to meet their taste and nutrition goals," McDonald's said in a statement.

Over the course of the film, Spurlock is regularly examined by a gastroenterologist, a cardiologist and SoHo-based general practitioner Dr. Daryl Isaacs.

"He was an extremely healthy person who got very sick eating this McDonald's diet," Dr. Isaacs told The Post.

"None of us imagined he could deteriorate this badly - he looked terrible. The liver test was the most shocking thing - it became very, very abnormal."

Spurlock has since returned to normal health. "The treatment was to just stop doing what he was doing," Dr. Isaacs says.

Spurlock, who says he ate at McDonald's only sporadically before his total immersion in the Mickey D's menu, says he even began craving fat and sugar fixes between meals.

"I got desperately ill," he says. "My face was splotchy and I had this huge gut, which I've never had in my life.

"My knees started to hurt from the extra weight coming on so quickly. It was amazing - and really frightening."

Spurlock's girlfriend, Alex Jamieson, was horrified - she's a vegan chef.

"She was completely disgusted by me, not happy at all," he says. "But she realized what my goals were in trying to educate people."

Spurlock, a film producer who grew up in West Virginia and studied ballet for eight years, was spurred to make his first feature film while watching TV on Thanksgiving Day, 2002.

"I was feeling like a typical American on Thanksgiving - very bloated and happy on the couch - and at some point on the news they were talking about two women who were suing McDonald's.

"People from the food industry were saying, 'You can't link kids being fat to our food - our food is nutritious.'

"I said, 'How nutritious is it really? Let's find out."

Not surprisingly, Spurlock has steered clear of the Golden Arches since filming wrapped.

"I have not had McDonald's for seven months, but yesterday, during an interview, I had a bite of a Big Mac," he says.

"I chewed it up, swallowed it and I said, 'You know what, I'm pretty much done after that bite.' "






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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: George Bush to WHO: Junk food is good for you [Re: Evolving]
    #2268430 - 01/24/04 04:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

What are the WHO's recommendations on drugs that you like? If they are opposed to your consumption of recreational drugs, would you like countries to adopt their recommendations even if it means more of your peaceful behaviors will be outlawed or criminal sanctions will be increased against you?







I agree and disagree on an issue by issue basis. And all I want is the truth. Marijuana and shrooms are in the same league as McDonalds. Consuming them once in a while is likely to cause no problems.

You know all this anyways.

Anyways, we're are not talking about criminal sanctions for eating McDonalds. Of course there should be no criminal sanctions for eating shrooms or smoking pot.


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