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when has obama demanded that doctors turn our medical records over to him?
It's called "OBAMACAREOBAMACARE" maybe you e heard of it?
I've heard of Obama Care. I've never heard doctors have to turn medical records over to the President. Do you have proof of this, or are you making it up?
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when has obama demanded that doctors turn our medical records over to him?
It's called "OBAMACAREOBAMACARE" maybe you e heard of it?
I've heard of Obama Care. I've never heard doctors have to turn medical records over to the President. Do you have proof of this, or are you making it up?
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By its own admission, the federal government plans on sharing your collected data with approximately 35 agencies to “improve health care.” These include the IRS, Department of Defense, the Agriculture Department, Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, CMS, etc. Welcome to the age of “population health,” World Health Organization international codes, “health justice” and the end of individualized healthcare decisions. When this is understood, the actions by the CMS to incentivize physicians to adopt EMR become clear. Even more importantly, they become a template for understanding how bureaucrats with all of the power of the government behind them operate.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/11/electronic-medical-records-government-medicine-101/
you KNOW i don't make stuff up, just because it exposes your liberal party for the fascists they are, don't mean you have to accuse me of making stuff up, or is that all you have???
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Douglas Howard said: Police arrested a 22-year-old Medford man who accidentally discharged a revolver into his hand at a 7-Eleven at Crater Lake Avenue and McAndrews Road on Saturday night while attempting to show it to a store clerk, who narrowly missed being struck by the bullet. http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20151018/NEWS/151019621
SANDY, Utah (ABC 4 Utah) - A scary moment inside a Sandy restaurant when a man paying for his food drops a bag and a gun goes off.
It happened just before 1:30 Wednesday afternoon at the Chipotle near 104th South State Street.
Sandy Police say the man removed his backpack to pay for his meal and accidentally dropped it.
When the bag hit the floor, the handgun he had inside accidentally discharged. http://www.good4utah.com/news/local-wasatch-front-/a-gun-is-accidentally-discharged-inside-a-chipotle-in-sandy-gun-owner-not-cited
There needs to be education and proper handling taught to everyone who buys one these incidents both involved ACCIDENTAL discharge. Not intent to kill. If they were using proper storage carrying and handling techniques this never would have happened. Don't fear the gun, fear the lack of knowledge the holder possesses
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: akira_akuma]
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No group of people calling themselves a government can protect the people from themselves.
protect from what? the dreaded outdoors? oxygen?
what threat? bears? 
By taking away personal freedoms they do it in the name of "protecting" us. ( prohibiting pot, alcohol, explosives, guns, selling raw milk/ eggs to your neighbor, or using alternative medicines. All to "protect" us) And we all know they use fear tactics (ex: pot scare tactics by govts, or saying we will get sick from the raw foods/ medicinal plant humans have eaten for thousands of years) to make us believe we need this protection. When in reality we all need to be educated further on the proper and responsible ways to use these resources. We have learned from history that repressing technology just delays the ability to move forward with new advancements. As a society we should see this and quit banning everything that doesn't suit our current ideologies, and start educating the public with cold hard facts even if the facts are that our modern science doesn't know the answers yet. Than the money will find its way to getting the research done. If it's illegal how would anyone with money sponsor unbiased research? Only the government researches illegal products, and those tend to be biased studies that happen.
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Ling Ling]
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so you're afraid of laws?
i'm not.
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: so you're afraid of laws?
i'm not. 
then you must not mind most drug laws, right?
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i'm not afraid of them. personally, if i had to be sober, i'd be perfectly fine with that, there are worse things to worry about; but, i see your point, nevertheless, i am not afraid of drug laws...i have never been in trouble with the law; and i play my cards safe. plus, case in point: GUESS WHA---? the laws can be changed?
yep, amazing, right?
another reason not to be afraid of them.
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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akira_akuma said: i'm not afraid of them. personally, if i had to be sober, i'd be perfectly fine with that, there are worse things to worry about; but, i see your point, nevertheless, i am not afraid of drug laws...i have never been in trouble with the law; and i play my cards safe. plus, case in point: GUESS WHA---? the laws can be changed?
yep, amazing, right?
another reason not to be afraid of them.
exactly! we managed to get those useless "assault weapons bans" the fuck outta here, and if we are persistent, we can get "right to carry" laws to be recognized in all Fiddy, i mean think about it, your drivers license, issued by your state, is valid in all states, your marriage license, issued by your state, is valid in all states; it is absolutely ridiculous not to have that same right for those of us who have our conceal and carry licenses...
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i actually agree with you there...it'll probably be the one in the sum few times that i probably ever will; but hey, that's still ok though.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I've heard of Obama Care. I've never heard doctors have to turn medical records over to the President. Do you have proof of this, or are you making it up?
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By its own admission, the federal government plans on sharing your collected data with approximately 35 agencies to “improve health care.” These include the IRS...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/11/electronic-medical-records-government-medicine-101/
you KNOW i don't make stuff up, just because it exposes your liberal party for the fascists they are, don't mean you have to accuse me of making stuff up, or is that all you have???
That claim got rated "Pants on Fire".
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akira_akuma said: i'm not afraid of them. personally, if i had to be sober, i'd be perfectly fine with that, there are worse things to worry about; but, i see your point, nevertheless, i am not afraid of drug laws...i have never been in trouble with the law; and i play my cards safe. plus, case in point: GUESS WHA---? the laws can be changed?
yep, amazing, right?
another reason not to be afraid of them.
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akira_akuma said: so you're afraid of laws?
i'm not. 
Afraid of laws?!? No! Afraid of power tripping law enforcement. If it wasn't for laws being prematurely created with hidden agendas or out of fear, or whatever else. ( I believe strongly in driving laws. Some should even be more strict. Among other sensible well researched laws) Yes we even fear law enforcement in Canada, not as bad as other places. But yes fear is well placed in he who feels superior Over the "civilian". I advocate education over institutionalization like I said in my last post. BTW hostile I like what you say here.
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akira_akuma said: i'm not afraid of them. personally, if i had to be sober, i'd be perfectly fine with that, there are worse things to worry about; but, i see your point, nevertheless, i am not afraid of drug laws...i have never been in trouble with the law; and i play my cards safe. plus, case in point: GUESS WHA---? the laws can be changed?
yep, amazing, right?
another reason not to be afraid of them.
exactly! we managed to get those useless "assault weapons bans" the fuck outta here, and if we are persistent, we can get "right to carry" laws to be recognized in all Fiddy, i mean think about it, your drivers license, issued by your state, is valid in all states, your marriage license, issued by your state, is valid in all states; it is absolutely ridiculous not to have that same right for those of us who have our conceal and carry licenses...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I've heard of Obama Care. I've never heard doctors have to turn medical records over to the President. Do you have proof of this, or are you making it up?
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By its own admission, the federal government plans on sharing your collected data with approximately 35 agencies to “improve health care.” These include the IRS...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/11/electronic-medical-records-government-medicine-101/
you KNOW i don't make stuff up, just because it exposes your liberal party for the fascists they are, don't mean you have to accuse me of making stuff up, or is that all you have???
That claim got rated "Pants on Fire".
Wow, alright next time you post I'll just find a right wing site to dispute it, and by YOUR logic, that'll make me a winner, right?
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hostileuniverse said: Wow, alright next time you post I'll just find a right wing site to dispute it, and by YOUR logic, that'll make me a winner, right?
Wrong. Politifact is neither a left or right leaning site; they simply review the truthfulness of claims and provide evidence to support their conclusions. If a left wing claim is BS, Politifact will point that out.
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Ling Ling]
#22663970 - 12/16/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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the universe is so hostile.
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hostileuniverse said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I've heard of Obama Care. I've never heard doctors have to turn medical records over to the President. Do you have proof of this, or are you making it up?
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By its own admission, the federal government plans on sharing your collected data with approximately 35 agencies to “improve health care.” These include the IRS...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/11/electronic-medical-records-government-medicine-101/
you KNOW i don't make stuff up, just because it exposes your liberal party for the fascists they are, don't mean you have to accuse me of making stuff up, or is that all you have???
That claim got rated "Pants on Fire".
Wow, alright next time you post I'll just find a right wing site to dispute it, and by YOUR logic, that'll make me a winner, right?
Heheh the left wing liberals have the uncanny ability to "debunk" everything without reading any articles, but citing some left wing blog shithole that says otherwise.
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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: burgerbrain] 1
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burgerbrain said: Heheh the left wing liberals have the uncanny ability to "debunk" everything without reading any articles, but citing some left wing blog shithole that says otherwise.

Obviously you've never bothered reading a reading a Politifact article. If you did, you'd realize it's not an opinion based site, and doesn't lean liberal or conservative. They simply research whether a claim is true or not, and they share that research with their readers. If you see a problem with their research, then you should point it out.
Mod edit: removed unnecessary personal attack
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burgerbrain said: Heheh the left wing liberals have the uncanny ability to "debunk" everything without reading any articles, but citing some left wing blog shithole that says otherwise.

Obviously you've never bothered reading a reading a Politifact article. If you did, you'd realize it's not an opinion based site, and doesn't lean liberal or conservative. They simply research whether a claim is true or not, and they share that research with their readers. If you see a problem with their research, then you should point it out. But simply crying like a baby because you hate the results of fact based research doesn't make you look smart.
Heh, where did I specify which blog was false? Yes if you think you see a problem with some research then why don't you point it out? Because you're not good at debate, poor guy.
Mod edit: removed personal attack. Next one will be a ban.
Edited by Enlil (12/16/15 09:32 PM)
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