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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22634286 - 12/09/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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People from south america even come to the US to buy guns. I would not be surprised if the large availability of guns and therefore crime in south america is in part due to the lack of regulation in the US.




AND OBAMA IS ALL TOO WILLING TO SELL THEM TO THEM IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE GUN REGULATION HERE
ITS A POLITICSL GAME THE GUN GRABBERS USE TO GET OUR GUNS, THEY USE EVERY TRAGEDY TO GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF LEAGL GUN OWNERS, WHILE IGNORING THE ACTUAL PROBLEMS THAT RESULT IN GUN VIOLENCE







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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rahz]
    #22634686 - 12/09/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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What about Bogota, Columbia?  How'd they do after they banned guns?  Why cherry pick Venezuela?



Bogota 2013 16.7 homicides per 100K, 2014 17.4 homicides per 100K... 95% of all homicides committed with illegal firearms.

What about Bogota?



The gun ban was in early 2012.  The homicide rate was 22 homicides per 100k before the gun ban.  The homicide rate went down ~20% since the gun ban.

My point is that there's no universal correlation between more guns and less violence.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22634959 - 12/09/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That works both ways. The article you cite suggests as much and 2014 figures suggest homicide is on the rise in Bogota.

However, since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits in the US has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center. I'm pretty sure overall gun ownership has increased by a notable amount in the same time frame.

The anomaly has to do with these mass shootings. While murder is notably down, high profile mass shootings have tripled since 2007. Murder rates are down and the left is crying for big daddy to take all the guns away.

In response to Tipote, the topic is "guns are bad". I'm all for limiting access to guns for criminals but not at the expense of restricting the liberty of lawful citizens.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rahz]
    #22634975 - 12/09/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm all for limiting access to guns for criminals but not at the expense of restricting the liberty of lawful citizens.



I'll strongly agree with you on that.  But many Republicans like Rubio have said they're willing to sell guns to people on the terror list rather than imposing any background checks.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22635096 - 12/09/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm all for limiting access to guns for criminals but not at the expense of restricting the liberty of lawful citizens.



I'll strongly agree with you on that.  But many Republicans like Rubio have said they're willing to sell guns to people on the terror list rather than imposing any background checks.




absolutely, i agree with both of you. im just advocating strong gun controls and stringent checks. whenever places like switzerland or finland are used as examples to say that having guns isnt the problem, it often glosses over the fact that they have strigent gun control laws. It doesnt have to go against the constitution. I actually think politically it is an interesting protection for people against governments in the long term to some extent.

I just think its not expressed in that form, the lack of regulation in selling person to person promotes the criminal gun networks and therefore violence. The lack of regulation of even how to keep your gun means people can just take their grandpa's gun. Also training is seriously lacking. It is different if you do concealed carry permits in terms of having to do more training, but not everyone does this. And the training involved i think is lacking. I have guns in my home and i have fired guns on many occasions but i know alot of people and their dogs that just get guns because they think its cool or "woof". I also know someone who never locks his doors and has a military arsenal in his basement.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22647481 - 12/12/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)



1 in 5 active shooter incidents are stopped by the the victim but they are mostly unarmed. 97% of the time.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22647504 - 12/12/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That's not really an argument for regulation, though.  That's an argument for education.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Enlil]
    #22647509 - 12/12/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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That's not really an argument for regulation, though.  That's an argument for education.





well, surely both.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22647519 - 12/12/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Education is far more effective than regulation, of course, and doesn't run afoul of the 2nd amendment.  Education has succeeding in reducing addiction to nicotine.  How effective has regulation been in reducing addiction to heroin? 

If we want to reduce gun violence, the answer is education, not regulation.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Enlil]
    #22649105 - 12/13/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Education is far more effective than regulation, of course, and doesn't run afoul of the 2nd amendment.  Education has succeeding in reducing addiction to nicotine.  How effective has regulation been in reducing addiction to heroin? 

If we want to reduce gun violence, the answer is education, not regulation.




amen to that!

will we ever see a day when this is common place again???


mass murders that year: 0


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22649999 - 12/13/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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will we ever see a day when this is common place again???


mass murders that year: 0



Actually, that is the generation that grew up to start the mass shootings.  Not saying there's any correlation, but just letting you know

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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22650017 - 12/13/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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will we ever see a day when this is common place again???


mass murders that year: 0



Actually, that is the generation that grew up to start the mass shootings.  Not saying there's any correlation, but just letting you know since you seem a little delusional on this.




REALLY? do you have a source for that?

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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22650068 - 12/13/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Charles Whitman could have been in that picture.  :smirk:


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22650183 - 12/13/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Charles Whitman could have been in that picture.  :smirk:




so one guy is your proof that teaching gun safety in schools was somehow dangerous?:roll eyes:

not to mention he was crazy and on all sorts of meds, so here we are full circle, to obama demanding the doctors turn our medical records to him,


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22650251 - 12/13/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Charles Whitman could have been in that picture.  :smirk:




so one guy is your proof that teaching gun safety in schools was somehow dangerous?:roll eyes:

not to mention he was crazy and on all sorts of meds, so here we are full circle, to obama demanding the doctors turn our medical records to him,




well your point with the photo was that there were no mass shooting that year - as though that says anything.

crazy people can also get guns. mental illness plays a big part.

when has obama demanded that doctors turn our medical records over to him?



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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22658460 - 12/15/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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they're willing to sell guns to people on the terror list rather than imposing any background checks.




Quick question,

Why are people on the suspected "terror list" allowed to freely roam the streets in the first place? Why aren't they being held in detention?

The logic far leftists use to rationalize gun control is the same logic Donald Dump uses for justifying "Muslim control" That is, banning guns could "potentially" (emphasis on "potentially") prevent mass shootings... Banning Muslims could "potentially" prevent terrorist attacks.

American politics is just a bundle of irony.

I have a solution that would SOLVE both problems, let's just ban HUMANS altogether. After all, without PEOPLE, guns are just inanimate objects and Islam is just insentient dogma.

I am a LOT more afraid of the Human species than I am of guns(inanimate objects).


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: SpiritWorld]
    #22658475 - 12/15/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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turn our medical records over to him?





It's called "OBAMACAREOBAMACARE" maybe you e heard of it?:shrug:


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: SpiritWorld]
    #22658507 - 12/15/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Lol gun laws in Canada are way more strict. It has been since the pioneering days that anyone could just carry concealed weapons here. To buy a handgun you have to go through so much bs it's not worth it. And just a hunting rifle you have to take a whole course to get. Now with the liberal gov that was elected in this fall they are pushing for a complete gun ban. Guns are tools. Any could kill if the human wants to use it that way(Nail guns, simple air compressors. Potatoe guns can be made for under $50 (and modified to blast through walls), flare guns modified to shoot shotgun shells) anything can be made to work as a modified lethal "gun" but those guns are even less safe than the guns that are legal now.... Repressive governments suck. No group of people calling themselves a government can protect the people from themselves.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Ling Ling]
    #22658636 - 12/15/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Police arrested a 22-year-old Medford man who accidentally discharged a revolver into his hand at a 7-Eleven at Crater Lake Avenue and McAndrews Road on Saturday night while attempting to show it to a store clerk, who narrowly missed being struck by the bullet.
http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20151018/NEWS/151019621


SANDY, Utah (ABC 4 Utah) - A scary moment inside a Sandy restaurant when a man paying for his food drops a bag and a gun goes off.

It happened just before 1:30 Wednesday afternoon at the Chipotle near 104th South State Street.

Sandy Police say the man removed his backpack to pay for his meal and accidentally dropped it.

When the bag hit the floor, the handgun he had inside accidentally discharged. 
http://www.good4utah.com/news/local-wasatch-front-/a-gun-is-accidentally-discharged-inside-a-chipotle-in-sandy-gun-owner-not-cited





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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22658934 - 12/15/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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No group of people calling themselves a government can protect the people from themselves.




protect from what? the dreaded outdoors? oxygen?

what threat? bears? :lol:


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