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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22810075 - 01/22/16 07:23 AM (8 years, 7 days ago)

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so is it still a straw man when I point out that many liberals are in favor of gun bans?:shrug:



No.  It's just a straw man when you assume that a particular person you're debating with is in favor of a gun ban and then argue against that gun ban.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Enlil]
    #22810110 - 01/22/16 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 days ago)

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so is it still a straw man when I point out that many liberals are in favor of gun bans?:shrug:



No.  It's just a straw man when you assume that a particular person you're debating with is in favor of a gun ban and then argue against that gun ban.




so when libs here demand "no one" wants to take our guns and I rightfully point out, "yes, they do" how is it I'm still accused of strawmannirg?:shrug:

ah fuck it, I'm done fucking trying to explain it to you, if you HONESTLY don't see the attacks on me and yet ban burger for the same, then I don't know man, it seems like a hopeless case


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22810709 - 01/22/16 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 days ago)

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this horse has been beaten to death, the liberal socialist progressive Obama and Hillary have both cited the UK and Australia as examples they wish to emulate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/opinions/us-guns-evidence/

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/lives-and-liberty-banning-assault-weapons-america



That's not a true statement.  Neither Obama nor Hillary said they want to "emulate" the UK and Australia.  Here is what Obama actually said:
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Obama said:
We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.



That's as far as he went.  He NEVER proposed a gun ban.

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so is it still a straw man when I point out that many liberals are in favor of gun bans?:shrug:



There's a HUGE difference between "many liberals" and "liberals".  More accurate still would be "some liberals".

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so when libs here demand "no one" wants to take our guns and I rightfully point out, "yes, they do" how is it I'm still accused of strawmannirg?:shrug:



I seriously doubt anyone here said "no one" wants to take your guns away.  Some have said "Obama" doesn't want to take your guns away, and they'd be right.

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ah fuck it, I'm done fucking trying to explain it to you, if you HONESTLY don't see the attacks on me and yet ban burger for the same, then I don't know man, it seems like a hopeless case



You continuously twist the truth, and then get upset when people call you on it.  You need to pay more careful attention to what people actually say, and less attention to what you make believe they say.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22812254 - 01/22/16 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 days ago)

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et upset when people call you on it.  You need to pay more careful attention to what people actually say, and less attention to what you make believe they say.




No, I get annoyed when idiots choose to belittle me and make the issue about insulting me instead of debating the issues

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I seriously doubt anyone here said "no one" wants to take your guns away.  Some have said "Obama" doesn't want to take your guns away, and they'd be right.





An BS, Obama cited countries that have done confiscation and then we are expected to believe that isn't his goal... Naive or ignorant. If he could, he would. Deny it all you want to...

Politicians NEVER lie, do they?:shrug:


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22812480 - 01/22/16 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 days ago)

Obama has made contradictory statements about gun control, based on the crowd he is speaking to. He has expressed both a desire to take away all guns, and a more conservative approach to gun control. Who's to say what he really wants. It doesn't really matter. What he DOES matters, and he hasn't done shit to take away your guns.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22818156 - 01/24/16 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Note that this is not directed to any one previously posting:

When a politician waxes poetic about the steps taken by the UK and Australia, it's not at all a stretch to suspect/believe they desire the same thing in the US.

Have they all stated it outright as per Diane Feinstein? Nope. She's was just as dumb as a bag of rocks. That doesn't mean the others don't desire the same.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22818635 - 01/24/16 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

I agree its not a stretch to believe that the politicians might want that. But it kind of doesnt matter. There are things that you want and there are things that are possible in reality.
Gun confiscation is impossible without a massive culture change in order to get to the situation in those places where guns are illegal and citizens are grateful.

If the government did it by force it would be civil war.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22819051 - 01/24/16 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

It matters when some express that as a concern only to receive the condescending reply of... 'but dude (or dudette), no-one has said that'.

The words "I want to confiscate all your guns" do not have to be spoken for it to be where some might like to go.

And it being (fortunately) impossible, does nothing to lessen the desire in some.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22819258 - 01/24/16 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

I agree, but that doesnt stop HU from focussing on the desire part and ignoring the significance of the reality part.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose]
    #22825337 - 01/25/16 11:03 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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I don't want people to lose their guns. Many guns are precious heirlooms, collectors items, etc.




and for those that aren't? none of my guns are precious heirlooms or collectors items, are they fair game for confiscation?




Hey man, I feel you. I don't like that they put our gun laws up for renovation, either. Just don't get arrested for anything stupid. You'll probably be ok.
Do your part in proving the anti-gun mob wrong. Education, maturity, respect are your greatest advantages here. It's easy to forget how afraid people are these days, how much faith they have in their police and military. Many of these people truly believe that no one except our military should have guns. Don't scold them, they're scared, they'll only run away.
Educate them. Respectfully. If possible.
Take your co-workers and docile friends out shooting. I don't ever miss the opportunity to teach someone to shoot, this has got me in trouble with many moms and wives, but it was always worth it.






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I am quite liberal, and I agree with everything you just said. I don't want people to lose their guns. Many guns are precious heirlooms, collectors items, etc. Education is the key, and cultural change. How we go about that is difficult to discern.

People like easy answers. Easy answers are often quite extreme, because they fail to address the nuanced points that complicate a hard-line perspective. It's also difficult to effect cultural change on such a grand scale.




It starts now, or it never will. Lead by example. Be the change, and all that


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How did gun rights help in California?




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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #22825402 - 01/25/16 11:25 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

When the good guy hands over his gun only bad guys will have them.... People will kill if they chose to no matter the implement knives, rocks. Fucking wake up! Jesus! Guns! Murica!!!    :fishsmack:


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    #22825409 - 01/25/16 11:28 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Guns are for the weak. I do karate!


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: N_Lite_N_Me360] * 1
    #22873981 - 02/07/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Why are Americans so scared of each other that they need to carry guns?


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22874428 - 02/07/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

why is europe so afraid of america that they dont want us to have guns


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22874443 - 02/07/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

We arent afraid, just embarassed for you.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22874447 - 02/07/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

then continue to be embarrassed while we continue to enjoy our guns


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22874499 - 02/07/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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We arent afraid, just embarassed for you.



Europeans don't tend to understand the American spirit of independence and self-sufficiency.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: WAN]
    #22874774 - 02/07/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

well i happen to be a US citizen too and I have a gun when I'm in the US.
I understand very well much about American culture. I understand the philosophy behind having armed citizens. I have mentioned this many times before and have also said that i respect the idea behind it.

That does not protect the current state of affairs from ridicule and embarassment from the rest of the world. I'm not agaisnt people in the US having guns, but the attitudes around it and how the situation actually manifests is a fucking embarassment.

Americans feel safer while fuelling a culture of fear.

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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22874832 - 02/07/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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well i happen to be a US citizen too and I have a gun when I'm in the US.
I understand very well much about American culture. I understand the philosophy behind having armed citizens. I have mentioned this many times before and have also said that i respect the idea behind it.

That does not protect the current state of affairs from ridicule and embarassment from the rest of the world. I'm not agaisnt people in the US having guns, but the attitudes around it and how the situation actually manifests is a fucking embarassment.

Americans feel safer while fuelling a culture of fear.

LOL





Yes, the gun culture in America is quite ridiculous. I am not against guns, but I am against this:



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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22874945 - 02/07/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

"as young as 5 years old". wtf.
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