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So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay?
    #22607151 - 12/03/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

How did gun rights help in California?


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose]
    #22607169 - 12/03/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22607179 - 12/03/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Then start your own thread and ask that question.

Why are you replying to my thread by complaining you didn't make your own one first?


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22607243 - 12/03/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

How did gun control help?


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22607253 - 12/03/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You really don't understand how forums work, do you?

It is amazing how dumb some people will pretend to be in order to avoid a discussion they don't want to have.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose]
    #22607255 - 12/03/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You really don't understand how forums work, do you?

It is amazing how dumb some people will pretend to be in order to avoid a discussion they don't want to have.




It is, isn't it?


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose]
    #22607264 - 12/03/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I heard a stat the other day that there have been 320 mass shootings since Obama's election. It's a funny way to frame it, obviously it has nothing to do with Obama, but that's the way the media lays it out.  I would say it has more to do with a tipping point being reached in the U.S. where there is now so much guns and ammo floating around in the general public that very misinformed, very deluded people can quite easily pick up a gun and carry out a shooting.

More guns wont solve the problem either. Who wonts to live in a world where everyone's armed and we're all looking at each other sideways with our holsters unclipped.

I would argue that this an extension of U.S. foreign policy imploding within itself.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: DustJuice]
    #22607277 - 12/03/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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More guns wont solve the problem either. Who wonts to live in a world where everyone's armed and we're all looking at each other sideways with our holsters unclipped.







It's always been like this. Trust.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose]
    #22607283 - 12/03/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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How did gun rights help in California?




What gun rights?

The California “open carry” gun rights law would see drastic changes on January, 1, 2012, when the California Assembly Bill 144 went into effect. This law made it illegal to openly carry unloaded handguns.

California Penal Code Section 26350 outlines this in detail, which describes openly carrying an unloaded handgun in specific public places, is now a misdemeanor offense. (Source.)

What “open carry” means is that an individual is carrying a legal firearm in plain sight. California law has never expressly authorized the ability to openly carry a weapon. The legality of this practice by individuals was premised on the fact that it was not prohibited by any existing California state laws. This has changed, with the endorsement of California Penal Code 26350.
http://www.ehlinelaw.com/civil-rights/firearms-open-carry-laws-in-california/

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California’s requirement that residents looking to carry firearms in public have a good reason to do so is facing a high-level court challenge, one that gets to a key question surrounding the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms.

On Tuesday, 11 judges of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco will hear arguments over California’s requirement that applicants show “good cause” before they are allowed to carry a concealed handgun in public. The challengers are taking issue with the rules in two California counties—San Diego and Yolo—where sheriffs say that concern for one’s personal safety alone isn’t considered justification enough for a concealed-carry permit.

California and some other states limit “open carry” of handguns as well, though the legality of those laws isn’t squarely at issue in the case to be argued Tuesday.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/california-gun-limits-face-court-challenge-1434394194
https://www.revealnews.org/article/concealed-weapons-of-california-the-numbers/

Getting that license to carry is up to local authorities, with varying requirements, and is in many areas very difficult to do. Only around 70,000 such licenses exist statewide, with around 29 million adults in the state.
It is illegal for any person to carry a handgun concealed upon his or her person or concealed in a vehicle without a license....The prohibition from carrying a concealed handgun does not apply to licensed hunters or fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing, or while going to or returning from the hunting expedition. (Pen . Code, § 25640 .)...

It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm .....In order to determine whether a firearm is loaded, peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on any public street or in any prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to these provisions is, in itself, grounds for arrest . ....

It is generally illegal for any person to carry upon his or her person or in a vehicle, an exposed and unloaded handgun while in or on: • A public place or public street in an incorporated city or city and county; or • A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated city or city and county . ...
https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/02/california-gun-laws-an-overview


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22623093 - 12/06/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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DustJuice said:

More guns wont solve the problem either. Who wonts to live in a world where everyone's armed and we're all looking at each other sideways with our holsters unclipped.







It's always been like this. Trust.




Well, that is true....



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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22625047 - 12/07/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i saw this and thought its worth posting here. A lot of the discussions in this forum end up talking about gun control so thanks for starting the thread.
Don't mind hostile universe, he is special.

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/six-things-americans-should-know-about-mass-shootings

guns don't make things safer. much as hostile universe might think

if you have more guns, you have more capacity for mass shootings, which means people will want more guns, and the cycle continues - with arms companies rolling around in pools of money.

if what obama just said in his speech about cali is true, those people were on a no-fly list and were still able to buy guns - assault rifles at that. and their neighbour "brought for them" too

i have a family friend here in america who is a gun instructor and who speaks proudly of the fact that you can sell weapons with no oversight. You just have to ask 3 questions when selling informally
- are you resident in the state of..
- are you over 18?
- are you allowed to buy a gun

no checks, no paperwork.

this guy bought an AR-15 from someone and they don't know eachothers names or anything yet somehow that is legal. i was not impressed.

So it is one thing to get minimal background checks when you buy from a dealer, but it doesnt end there - things go under the radar and can move to anyone who wants to buy.

the only point i was told that helps against this is that apparently there are laws that if you sell a weapon to someone that commits a crime or that shouldnt have it, you are at fault too... but in reality - how many people get busted on this? I imagine the NRA helps with legal costs in this kind of situation. Also.. if someone has commited a crime and killed many people - its kind of too late by then. no light hand slapping will do anything.

part of the problem is the lobbying system in America.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22625050 - 12/07/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

And how many more false flag shooting events will need to happen before the Mercian public begs congress to do something!


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Maroon]
    #22626601 - 12/07/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rahz]
    #22627230 - 12/07/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I tell ya what, I'll give up my guns when the president gives up his security detail for him and his family, hows that sound?

tiptoe, your constant belittling says way more about you than it does me, you've proven you cannot have an intelligent discussion so you resort to insults, its a special kind of person that can constantly insult people over the internet, kudos to you, you've proven how "special" YOU really are...


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22628045 - 12/07/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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i found this video hilarious, i gota say.

I dont know if you know anything about those countries with the top homicide rates. Are these stats only from guns? are you also perhaps ignoring the cartel power in these countries?

you also seemed to ignore the other stats on the link i showed about mass shootings. The point is, America is not more safe with more guns.


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I tell ya what, I'll give up my guns when the president gives up his security detail for him and his family, hows that sound?

tiptoe, your constant belittling says way more about you than it does me, you've proven you cannot have an intelligent discussion so you resort to insults, its a special kind of person that can constantly insult people over the internet, kudos to you, you've proven how "special" YOU really are...





well that doesnt make much sense, straw man. you always go to extremes. it seems more reasonable to have the secret service and police armed than just every citizen that wants one.. to sell off the radar. at least when security officiers have weapons they have to account for every bullet.

belittling? me? you do that yourself mate. 95% of your posts are insulting. thats me being generous right there with that 5%.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22628196 - 12/07/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

As if a large percentage of US gun violence isn't related to gang activity? That was made clear with the contrast between cities within the US. Take the gang ridden cities out of the equation and the US would drop further down the list while simultaneously increasing the number of guns per capita since many of the high murder rate cities have fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rahz]
    #22628772 - 12/08/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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well that doesnt make much sense, straw man. you always go to extremes. it seems more reasonable to have the secret service and police armed than just every citizen that wants one.. to sell off the radar. at least when security officiers have weapons they have to account for every bullet.





so you are in favor of the rich and powerful having protection but not the middle class? the middle class cannot afford armed security to follow them around, did you know that? and sheriffs across the country have been calling for citizens to arm themselves for self protection, because even they know YOU are your first line of defense!

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/30673648/sheriff-joe-arpaio-calls-on-citizens-to-carry-guns

http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/12/7/brevard_sheriff_video_arm_selves_against_terror.html


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/liberal-sheriff-encourages-citizens-to-carry-guns-after-mass-shooting_122015


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22629109 - 12/08/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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How did gun rights help in California?



If California had gun rights like concealed carry the terrorists would have been killed immediatly. Being caught in a gun free zone for even a few minutes can cost you your life.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22629712 - 12/08/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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well that doesnt make much sense, straw man. you always go to extremes. it seems more reasonable to have the secret service and police armed than just every citizen that wants one.. to sell off the radar. at least when security officiers have weapons they have to account for every bullet.





so you are in favor of the rich and powerful having protection but not the middle class? the middle class cannot afford armed security to follow them around, did you know that? and sheriffs across the country have been calling for citizens to arm themselves for self protection, because even they know YOU are your first line of defense!

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/30673648/sheriff-joe-arpaio-calls-on-citizens-to-carry-guns

http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/12/7/brevard_sheriff_video_arm_selves_against_terror.html


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/liberal-sheriff-encourages-citizens-to-carry-guns-after-mass-shooting_122015





i always wonder time after time whether you even read your own links or just find something that agrees with you, read the first 3.5 sentences and then post it.

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"All this stuff is happening. Why not arm a few good people?" said Curtis Edwards, of Cocoa. "I've been in the military; that's scary. This is even scarier, because you figure you're around family, friends, Americans you don't even know."

But not everyone in Brevard County agrees with the sheriff, or believes the answer is that simple.

"I'm not sure that just because somebody else has a gun that they will really be that effective," said William Gary, president of the NAACP's North Brevard County Branch. "I don't think there's been any study that shows that if you had a number of persons within any grouping who had weapons, that they would have been able to deter assailant."





who is good? will there be a test for if you are good? is full training compulsory? what kind of training would this be? I have a gun right here and my dad did not HAVE to go through the training that he did, it also happens that my dad is exmilitary.. but i know for sure if my dad even attempted to fight back, he is more likely to die being a 70 year old man with poor sight and only 12 bullets in a clip and one in the chamber. He only got a gun because he falls for this culture of fear bs.  Mass shootings where people have bullet proof vests, assault rifles and the element of surprise, are gna easily deal with a few people with pistols.

your article says itself that its not really conclusive in anyway that its going to be effective - that the best choice is to run away or hide. I also made the point to you before that too many people with guns might just confuse the situation for the authorities arriving, promote vigilantism, and extrajudicial execution.

are muslims allowed to carry guns? what if they grow those beards you are terrified of?  black people? just white people?

i saw one of those gun rights experiments where a white guy carrying an assault rifle in public got the police called out on him who were polite to him and asked why he had it and advised him not to etc etc. the same experiment was done with a black guy with an assault rifle, they got his ass on the ground shouting like mad men at him and threatened to shoot on the spot. if you think that prejudice isn't going to play a part in arming anyone who can get a gun then you are mistaken.

after everything, you keep missing the point that the fear that everyone has guns and could kill us so we need to all have guns is just a circular argument that fuels the problem. You ignore the issue that more guns in circulation means its more likely for the "bad evil" people to get guns. At least if its illegal its harder.

In the UK, i never live in fear that someone is going to pull out a gun, you know why? well because they are illegal. there is a difference between being vigilant for paris attacks and living in fear everyday clinging to your gun. Even the police in the recent knife attack in the London underground didnt have guns and they still got him - alive.


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Re: So... Guns Are Bad... Mmmmmmmkay? [Re: Tipote]
    #22629783 - 12/08/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Gorilla Sales Skyrocket After Latest Gorilla Attack

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SAN DIEGO—Following the events of last week, in which a crazed western lowland gorilla ruthlessly murdered 21 people in a local shopping plaza after escaping from the San Diego Zoo, sources across the country confirmed Thursday that national gorilla sales have since skyrocketed.

“After seeing yet another deranged gorilla just burst into a public place and start killing people, I decided I need to make sure something like that never happens to me,” said 34-year-old Atlanta resident Nick Keller, shortly after purchasing a 350-pound mountain gorilla from his local gorilla store. “It just gives me peace of mind knowing that if I’m ever in that situation, I won’t have to just watch helplessly as my torso is ripped in half and my face is chewed off. I’ll be able to use my gorilla to defend myself.”

“Law enforcement and animal control can only get there so quickly,” Keller added. “And you never know when you’ll need to use a gorilla to save your life.”

Reports confirmed that gorilla sales have historically risen sharply in the immediate aftermath of a major gorilla attack, most notably after the 2010 tragedy in the small town of Logan, NM, where 14 people, including two 5-year-old children and a 92-year-old woman, were viciously beaten to death by a 12-year-old gorilla who spontaneously attacked patrons of a crowded grocery store.

The latest attack marked the fifth of its kind in the United States within the last six months and has reignited the explosive national debate over gorilla control, with thousands of outraged Americans reportedly demanding that their government representatives act immediately in order to prevent further bloodshed.

“We’ve had to deal with too many gorilla-related tragedies, and we’ve had to bury too many innocent, feces-covered victims,” said Nicole Simmons, president of the Mothers Against Gorillas coalition, who herself lost her 16-year-old son in the infamous Baker High School gorilla rampage of 1997. “It’s time to put an end to this. We need to get gorillas off the streets once and for all. Enough is enough.”

“The answer to this systemic problem is not more gorillas,” Simmons continued, her eyes welling with tears. “The answer is fewer gorillas.”

As evidence, Simmons pointed to a 2011 University of Maryland study, which found that 98 percent of Americans who own a gorilla have never used them for defense against a home invasion. Simmons also cited widely reported studies confirming that people who keep gorillas in the home are 12 times more likely to have their arms torn off, and children in those households are 19 times more likely to be picked up by the legs and bashed repeatedly into the ground.

Furthermore, many gorilla control advocates have reportedly called for statewide limits to the number of gorillas one can purchase and a federal ban on the ownership of silverbacks, referencing as an example the tight gorilla laws in countries such as Japan, England, and Australia, where the annual rate of gorilla crimes is virtually nonexistent.

“There is absolutely no reason—not for hunting, protection, or otherwise—that an ordinary citizen would need to possess a 600-pound silverback,” said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), one of the most outspoken gorilla control advocates in Congress. “The general public frankly has no business owning apes of this size, and the only people who do are zookeepers who are trained to properly handle them. Otherwise, they are nothing but a threat to society and only serve to perpetuate more violence.”

Opponents to gorilla control legislation, however, appear to be fervent in their defense of their gorilla possession rights. A spokesperson for the powerful yet controversial national gorilla lobby told reporters that a ban on gorillas would not end incidents such as that in San Diego, as those who want the large primates could simply buy them from illegal dealers who smuggle them into the country from the jungles of sub-Saharan Africa.

Many gorilla owners also told sources that the creatures are primarily used for legal hunting purposes and that the overwhelming majority of gorilla enthusiasts are completely responsible with their apes.

“Listen, it’s my God-given right as an American to have the freedom to own a gorilla to protect myself and my family,” said Nashua, NH resident James Harrington, 46, adding that he personally owns 12 different gorillas of various sizes, but keeps them “safely locked away in [his] home.” “And the government has another thing coming if they think they can come into my house and take away my gorillas.”

“What happened in San Diego was horrible, but that doesn’t mean all gorillas are bad,” Harrington added. “In fact, if every person at that mall had a gorilla, then the tragedy probably never would have even happened in the first place.”

At press time, following the increase in national gorilla sales, four isolated gorilla attacks had just been reported across the country, with the overall civilian death toll currently estimated at 37.




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