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 Re: assholes in mushy cult.  [Re: utopianglory]
#2260557 - 01/21/04 05:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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>3 Cultivation forums is basically granularising it too much - when you put it like beginner, moderate and advanced, it will create more confusion.
i disagree, but only because if you look @ adv. there is hardly any posts ever, its sooooo inactive sometimes. but look @ mush. cult, the board is completely refreshed everyday, and i think people that cant get to the internet everyday have a very hard time keeping up with everything. i know when i used to mod on the cyberarmy boards, this was a huge problem, people spamming and people posting too much useless bullshit made it impossible for people to have any kind of productive conversation... i think because shroomery uses ubb instead of fong's bb its much easier to at least see a few responses to a question you asked, but when people quickly go off on tangents with other users that didnt start the post, the thread is jacked, and the person is left wihtout an answer.... this is also why i think there are so many damn repeat posts... i think another forum something between mush cult and adv. mush cult would balance the crap to productive ratio pretty well.
[after thought: ive recently avoid reading posts in mush. cult. because of the tremendous volume of posts. i hope its just another wave of fresh posts, but it seems as though more and more people post in mush. cult. everyday. i enjoy helping people, and i hope that i can continue to do so, but the amount of posts are just overwhelming lately. the shroomery is growing, and id like to see accomidations to fit its new size. but im just a user, ill leave the decisions to the big kahoonas]
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Edited by amyloid (01/21/04 05:21 PM)
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Re: assholes in mushy cult. [Re: OldSpice]
#2260635 - 01/21/04 05:37 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like the 3 forum idea! 
"Well if that's the way the winds are blowing, let it not be said that I don't also blow!"
I don't think it's a problem right now, but if it improves the flow of info and the # of ppl who can get help, I really am all for it.
Maybe we should open it up for discussion in the website announcements and feedback forum?
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Quote:
simplemachine said:
wow, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like the 3 forum idea!
No, there are others. Don't worry, you are not alone... 
This is just an idea we're tossing around right now. No decisions have been made. We're simply looking for input at this time.
utopianglory said: "... If you change it to beginner,advanced and research then you might get somewhere though ..."
Yes, that is a good idea, as that is really where the lines would be drawn if we do such a thing.
Beginner - Would be for people first starting out, who don't have any experience, and who need a supportive environment, and occasional help finding the FAQ.
Advanced - Would be for experienced growers who are trying new techniques and sharing their experiences.
Research - Would be for extremely advanced discussion and "cutting edge" research, that will push the field of mycology even further.
simplemachine said: "... What I think COULD help the situation is some more agressive moderating of the mush cult forum ..."
Yes, that would certainly be part of this, if we do anything...
simplemachine said: "I really like being in there to help out the new kids, but it bums me out when someone gets jumped on and there's nothing I can do!"
This is my concern too, and has been for some time now. I think the idea is to somehow create an environment, just for beginning cultivators, which would be both supportive and encouraging. It would be nice if people could come here and find a supportive environment for their hobby. 
I'll look into creating a WAF thread concerning this later this evening...
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Re: assholes in mushy cult. [Re: Papaver]
#2261487 - 01/21/04 10:52 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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im excited!
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 Cultivation Forum Changes? [Re: amyloid]
#2261522 - 01/21/04 11:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are currently discussing this subject in the Mod Forum. There has already been some very good discussion in this thread, so I'm going to move it to WAF, so we can continue the public dialog in the appropriate venue.
Edit: Thanks for everyone's serious input so far. This is a potential change to a very important area of our community. As has been suggested at the Admin-level, this may be viewed as an experiment, and things can be reversed if they do not work out, but we have the potential here to both, create a more newbie-friendly environment, and to also boost our serious cutting-edge mycology discussions, and to these ends, we appreciate your input.
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Edited by Papaver (01/21/04 11:19 PM)
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Re: Cultivation Forum Changes? [Re: Papaver]
#2261638 - 01/21/04 11:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm starting to turn around on this rather quickly. I think begining, intermediate, advanced, and research is a sweet idea!
Edited by simplemachine (01/25/04 05:07 PM)
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 Re: Cultivation Forum Changes? [Re: Papaver]
#2270198 - 01/25/04 12:51 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that the forums are delineated correctly right now. All of the posts I see in the General forum are beginners questions, there are so many that they often spill over into the advanced forum. I do not see how there should be any research or intermediate forum, as any of those ideas can and are discussed in the Advanced forum and such that the threads still move at a comprehendable rate. That is of course just my opinion..and the reasoning behind it.
I am guilty of the "asshole" behavior I suppose. I may be seen as one by my actions, but I think it is all relative.
Beginners will come into an advanced forum for cultivation discussion and say things like, "It's bad...mmmkay."
WTF? How in the hell is that advanced? I then might prompt the user for the reasoning behind the opinion, and when they draw a blank, I am suddenly an asshole for suggesting they explain their ideas.
I don't know what the solution might entail. But if assholes are the problem, I suppose I should see my way out of the cultivation forums. I am sure much more can be learned from opinions void of reasoning and backed by ignorant assumptions.
I think more agressive moderation may help, I also think that people need to realize what learning is about. It is having your ideas questioned, if not by yourself, then by others.
I am sorry for having been an asshole. Next time I'll try to be flowery and agreeable...damn there I go again, I just can't help it. This mood will pass.
Joshua a.k.a the Cultivation Asshole
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Edited by Joshua (01/25/04 01:04 AM)
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Re: Cultivation Forum Changes? [Re: Joshua]
#2271779 - 01/25/04 01:54 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm... I didn't know you were at the bottom of all this!  
Seriously, thanks for the input on this issue. However, I do not think this is about any one person's behavior, but is, in fact, about a possible failure at the structural-level in addressing the various needs of our membership. So, I am going to assume that your were being a little sarcastic to make a point.
I think this is really a multi-level fix we are looking at, and if we do anything at all, the problems we are trying to address are: 1) Making the newbies to cultivation feel a little more welcome; and 2) Keeping inappropriate posts out of the advanced discussions.
The solution may be an attempt to add one extra level to the strata, so that we have a flame-free newbie lounge on the bottom; a lively general cultivation forum in the middle for experienced growers; and an advanced research forum at the top for furthering mycology. As you said, "aggressive moderation" will help, and will probably be key in the successful implementation of any proposed solution.
Tri-level stratifications often seem work very well, and I think this may have to do with typical bell-curve distributions of populations. I think that by simply sandwiching a lively general cultivation forum between an entry-level forum and an advanced forum -- with clearly defined descriptions and more aggressive moderation for all -- may help us "fine tune the beast" to work a little better, and to better serve those populations who exist at the very bottom and top of the bell-curve (the newbies and the experts).
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Re: Cultivation Forum Changes? [Re: Papaver]
#2272058 - 01/25/04 03:28 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like it as is...and I don't think things are uncivilized for the most part....sure theres some pissing contests now and then but for the MOST part there is a lot of good info and ppl helping out there
not on board for 3 forums
not sure who to reply too so using last post :P
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