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OfflineTheOneYouKnow
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What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ...
    #2256835 - 01/20/04 07:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think that the majority of people that are against welfare are not totally against the program. I think that America has a responsibility to take care of all of her citizenry, be they poor or rich. I don't think that people should be starving to death in America. That said, I also don't think that people that can work but aren't should be getting a check, I don't think that people should be allowed to buy junk food with their welfare money, and I think that safeguards need to be in place to assure that these people are not abusing the system. If their minimal needs are met, then they should have no reason to complain. Here are some changes that I think could be made to the welfare system without comprimising the integrity of the system (that is, to ensure that people / children are not starving to death).

1) Drug testing for all recipients - If you need money to avoid starving, you certaintly shouldn't be able to afford drugs. This would be solved by the second point, seen directly below

2) Food checks instead of cash checks - The welfare recipients would be given a list of foods that were deemed nutritious by the federal government, much the way the WIC program works, and they could use a debit card to purchase just those foods. No Do-reetos, no Cheetos, no Chochlate Frosted Sugar Bomb cereal, no pop-tarts. This way every cent that they earn gets spent on specific, wholesome foods.

3) Prove that you are attempting to find a job or deal with whatever situation their is that prevents you from earning an income - Self explanitory. I don't think that anyone wants welfare benefits to be a job (other than those who abuse it now), so we need to do everything we can to ensure THEY are doing everything they can to get off of welfare.

I can think of a few more but I have to go now, I'll keep posting mine, add your own thoughts. Thx


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256847 - 01/20/04 07:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

There should be no welfare, period.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256854 - 01/20/04 07:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think it would be ideal if they just had group homes for all welfare recipients where they're given food, shelter, clothing, and most importantly, job opportunities. I'm not sure exactly this would work out, but I just thought I'd throw that out there.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256855 - 01/20/04 07:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

make contributing to it voluntary.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2256859 - 01/20/04 07:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
There should be no welfare, period.




Do you think that if welfare was ended and the number of deaths of children that were attributed to malnutrition went up, America would be a better or worse off place? I'm definatly not pro-welfare, it's jut another "which of two bad choices..." type fo thing.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256868 - 01/20/04 07:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I am not interested in feeding kids I don't know. If their parents can't feed them, take them away.

I give locally and to those I know. That's how it should be.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2256885 - 01/20/04 07:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

But to answer the question, would America be a better or worse place?


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256891 - 01/20/04 07:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

it'd be better for some and worse for others.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: ]
    #2256903 - 01/20/04 07:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
it'd be better for some and worse for others.



Correct. It would be better for those that already have it good, and worse for those who already have it bad. This seems to be the cornerstone of Republican ideology.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: silversoul7]
    #2256914 - 01/20/04 07:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i'd really like to see someone finally come forward and rationalize how one human being can be forced to support another.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: ]
    #2256926 - 01/20/04 07:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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i'd really like to see someone finally come forward and rationalize how one human being can be forced to support another.



Take parents for instance. If you don't feed your child, they get taken away from you, and you can even be put on trial for negligence. Think of those welfare recipients as a kind of extended family.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable [Re: silversoul7]
    #2256946 - 01/20/04 07:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

they were not brought helplessly into the world by my actions.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256950 - 01/20/04 07:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

better.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2258584 - 01/21/04 02:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Giving money to the poor has never solved their problems. Why do you think they are poor in the first place. Its obvious they are poor cause they have bad money management and squander there money on useless items like tv's,cars,stereos, and other household junk.

The poor need money like a drunk needs alcohol.


Giving the poor clothing,shelter,and food however is a very commendable thing. Just dont get them mixed up...


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2258967 - 01/21/04 06:10 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, the no welfare philosophy was tried and failed miserably 150 years ago. It's time to move forward.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2259106 - 01/21/04 09:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Its obvious they are poor cause they have bad money management and squander there money on useless items like tv's,cars,stereos, and other household junk.






Have you ever thought that the way our economies works there has to be poor people to make it work? No..I didnt think so.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2259807 - 01/21/04 02:45 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Giving money to the poor has never solved their problems. Why do you think they are poor in the first place. Its obvious they are poor cause they have bad money management and squander there money on useless items like tv's,cars,stereos, and other household junk.

The poor need money like a drunk needs alcohol.


Giving the poor clothing,shelter,and food however is a very commendable thing. Just dont get them mixed up...



While I don't necessarily agree that all poor people are that bad with money, I think you might be onto something. I agree that the focus should be on food, clothing, shelter, employment, etc., rather than money.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: GazzBut]
    #2260185 - 01/21/04 04:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

GazzBut writes:

Have you ever thought that the way our economies works there has to be poor people to make it work?

Yes, I thought of that once many years ago. It took about five minutes to realize that our economies do not require poor people in order to work.

Of course, I may have missed something. I would be extremely interested in reading an explanation (note I deliberately use the word "explanation" -- baldfaced assertions don't count) of how the economies of countries such as England or the USA or Canada require poor people in order to "work".

It would be a good idea to first define exactly what you mean by "poor" and "work".

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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: GazzBut]
    #2260211 - 01/21/04 05:01 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you ever thought that the way our economies works there has to be poor people to make it work? No..I didnt think so.



No our GOVERNMENTS need poor to point to as a reason for electing someone who will do 'something' about them. Notice that politicians have been getting rid of poverty for several generations now and somehow it persists. No matter how much money is thrown at the problem, we get more illiterate unemployable people, more dependency, more single parent families, more chemical dependency among the dependant class, more criminal recidivism among them and more money thrown at the problem every year. Perhaps the strategy that's been employed and not worked for generations should be reconsidered.


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Re: What could be done to welfare to make it more acceptable ... [Re: Evolving]
    #2260293 - 01/21/04 05:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Any able bodied man in America should be abled to find work no matter what.

I feel much sympathy for the lonely old,ex veterans,mentally disturbed, and the many people with addictions.

Those people should be helped. They should recieve food and water,clothing,and shelter.

I just think giving the poor money doesnt solve there problem.


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