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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24169138 - 03/17/17 06:46 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

You're supposed to feel bad writing it.

You're supposed to cry so you can release the guilt. Releasing feelings like guilt makes you less likely to drink to cover them up.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Enjoywho] * 3
    #24169429 - 03/17/17 09:59 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

AA is a great place to find sober friends that do cool shit. My home group does white water rafting, beach trips, rock climbing...whatever you want to do....there are sober people who will do it with you....It's called "like minded people".
I was where you were with the steps long ago...pretty much what I said...Fuck the steps....I don't need em. I wound up staying sober long enough to realize that if I wanted true peace of mind and some kind of serenity...I needed to do them.
As Sunra says...there is only one requirement for AA membership and that is a desire to stop drinking. You are talking about the 4th and 5th, 8th and 9th steps...but, have you done the first three?

Nothing worse than a drunk saying he's sorry and then going and doing the same thing over..(that was me)...just made me a sorry assed liar.I should have had "I'm sorry" stamped on my forehead....but the words were empty because I kept repeating the very same things that I said I was sorry for. Once I took a drink....all bets were off, even if I promised myself. Then the guilt and remorse quickly followed and I'd just say fuck it.I'm sorry and fuck it were a large part of my vocabulary.

Making amends meant a lot more than just saying I was sorry. It meant keeping my word, being a dad again, paying debts off....sorry is an action word.

Anyway, good luck to ya...hope your way works out for ya.:sunny::peace:


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #24177658 - 03/20/17 12:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

There is much fun to be had while sober!

In fact, there is far more fun to be had sober than there is in alcoholism and addiction.

My old sponsor ran sober tents at giant music festivals. One of my current home groups is the Wharf Rats of SF, and some of them still tour and sell merchandise.

We can hike, surf, dive, dance, create, and so much more when sober.

When i'm in active addiction, all i can do is more drugs/drink. I'm lucky if i make it to the occasional show or festival, but even then, my happiness is totally dependent on what and how much I have.

Today, is day 69 for me.

I was real torn up recently, as i talked to my ex. She relapsed with a year with some new guy she met and has been on a crack and meth bender. It felt like it might take me out at the time, but instead of going out, i decided to sit in a meeting and share about what i was going through. Turns out, i don't have to cause further pain to myself and others.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Memories]
    #24178040 - 03/20/17 02:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Your home group sounds like a lot of fun! The exes ....I can relate to that. My ex when I first got sober became a heroin addict shortly after we split...she wound up injecting her best friend with a fatal dose in her neck. Even though she was a absolute nut and bad for me to be around, I still craved her at the beginning of my sobriety. This too shall pass...believe it. Nothing and nobody can get you fucked up but you. Congrats on staying sober through this and for being sober today.:sunny::peace:


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24178387 - 03/20/17 04:29 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Cor 6 19-20

“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.”

Ezekiel 36:26-27New International Version (NIV)

26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Isaiah 33:2.
Lord, be gracious to us;
    we long for you.
Be our strength every morning,
    our salvation in time of distress.


So I can make it
John 14:1-3

1Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.…

One day at a time...


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #24178626 - 03/20/17 06:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I've never heard anyone quote scripture at a meeting


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #24179663 - 03/21/17 07:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

True that...this is not a bible study but it may help keep him sober.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #24180420 - 03/21/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
I've never heard anyone quote scripture at a meeting



I've never been to one.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86]
    #24197516 - 03/27/17 04:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hi all,

Dave alcoholic.  I've been sober for 8 years 10 months. This is my first post in Shroomery!!

I joined this board because I wanted info on growing shrooms.  I plan to microdose every 4 days - .5 grams.

I have been reading and getting as much info on this for over a year now and felt it would help with my occasional depression issues and tobacco addiction.

After gathering as much research material as possible, I showed my wife and basically made about an hour long "presentation" on the benefits.

  I haven't drank, smoked weed in over 8 years.

  I haven't done psychedelics in probably 25 years. That is one drug that I never regretted.  I did acid, mesc, and shrooms a lot through the 70's and 80's and I am glad I did.

I know that I cannot use alcohol, weed or any intoxicant safely because I am addicted to more. The more a substance takes me out of myself, the more my alcoholic mind craves and likes the escape and numbness.  For that reason, I do not take any pharmaceuticals for depression because they make me numb.  I know a lot of AA's that do, and that is fine.....I can't live that way.

My fear is this.  I have a tub full of 12 half pints of cubenisis B+ colonizing right now in my basement.  All 12 are nearly ready to fruit....no contam.  It's been fun, and know it's probably about 2 weeks away for harvest, and now in the last couple of days I'm wondering if I'm playing with my soberity.

I am fine with the thought of microdosing because I do think the benefits are numerous.  It's me that I don't trust.

Any thoughts from the group are accepted with gratitude.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anatoly]
    #24197851 - 03/27/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Welcome!
I'm in with you on the AA sobriety thing....March 15 was 18 yrs without a drink for me. I don't smoke weed either.

I trip a couple times a year on mushrooms as a sort of spiritual resetting and I do not consider this in any way to be messing my sobriety up....on the contrary, I believe it helps me spiritually.

We  can use another sober alcoholic around here...I look forward to you hanging around.:grin:


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24198337 - 03/27/17 09:47 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I plan to microdose every 4 days - .5 grams.




I think you should make it into tea to make sure the psilocybin is evenly dispersed.

I also have mixed feelings about the microdosing fad but I wish you the best of luck.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24198847 - 03/28/17 04:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Welcome!
I'm in with you on the AA sobriety thing....March 15 was 18 yrs without a drink for me. I don't smoke weed either.

I trip a couple times a year on mushrooms as a sort of spiritual resetting and I do not consider this in any way to be messing my sobriety up....on the contrary, I believe it helps me spiritually.

We  can use another sober alcoholic around here...I look forward to you hanging around.:grin:




Thanks for the welcome. I also feel that a trip is different than intoxication, it is spiritual.  Bill Wilson tripped extensively in the 50's and 60's with his wife to help with his depression issues, and he did not reset his sobriety date. I feel it can help me, but I still have that feeling of distrust of my own mind, and fear what I could potentially graduate to.  It's weird because as I said I have been researching this for over a year, bought books and downloaded as much research as I could, and 3 weeks after starting to grow I have these thoughts.  I am going to proceed......but maybe the fact that I am sharing here will keep me accountable in a fashion.

Thanks again!


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #24198849 - 03/28/17 04:59 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I plan to microdose every 4 days - .5 grams.




I think you should make it into tea to make sure the psilocybin is evenly dispersed.

I also have mixed feelings about the microdosing fad but I wish you the best of luck.




Thank you.

I would be interested in hearing about your mixed feelings.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anatoly]
    #24198894 - 03/28/17 06:17 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

ok

I think microdosing is a reckless fad. I think unless you're very certain about your mental health shrooms are playing with fire. I don't think there's anything spiritual about shrooms. It's just fucking around with your brain chemistry.

That's my two cents. My only real advice to alcoholics is don't drink.

I'm also not saying psychedelics are all bad. I've had some amazing experiences.

Others disagree but I think it's foolish to self-administer mushrooms to address mental health problems.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #24199040 - 03/28/17 08:17 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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ok

I think microdosing is a reckless fad. I think unless you're very certain about your mental health shrooms are playing with fire. I don't think there's anything spiritual about shrooms. It's just fucking around with your brain chemistry.

That's my two cents. My only real advice to alcoholics is don't drink.

I'm also not saying psychedelics are all bad. I've had some amazing experiences.

Others disagree but I think it's foolish to self-administer mushrooms to address mental health problems.




Thanks for the input.

As far as reckless, I don't see how a sub perceptual dose could be considered as such.  The research so far has been all positive as far as results, and there is no "tripping" involved with a .5 gram dosage.

As far as mental health problems, I'm not sure if I understand what you mean?  I'm guessing depression but that is a common issue these days and I don't know if I would classify it as a "mental health issue", but I do appreciate you opinion. Thanks!


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anatoly]
    #24200841 - 03/28/17 08:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I find that not having a sponser helped me.  That's why I'm alone in my apartment now.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24200894 - 03/28/17 08:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Welcome!
I'm in with you on the AA sobriety thing....March 15 was 18 yrs without a drink for me. I don't smoke weed either.

I trip a couple times a year on mushrooms as a sort of spiritual resetting and I do not consider this in any way to be messing my sobriety up....on the contrary, I believe it helps me spiritually.

We  can use another sober alcoholic around here...I look forward to you hanging around.:grin:



Jesus 18 years I can barely last a week.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anonymous #9] * 1
    #24201802 - 03/29/17 05:40 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Jesus 18 years I can barely last a week.




That was my story....struggled to stay sober for 6 years.  Couldn't put a week together.

Join AA, and I mean really join.  Get a sponsor. Share what's bothering you. You only need to stay sober 24 hours at a time. Worry only about today and stay in the moment. Find people that have what you want in sobriety and stick with them. Thats what worked for me one day at a time. It's been 8 years and 10 months now since I found it necessary to drink. I wish the same for you as well.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anatoly]
    #24202797 - 03/29/17 02:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Anonymous said:




Jesus 18 years I can barely last a week.




That was my story....struggled to stay sober for 6 years.  Couldn't put a week together.

Join AA, and I mean really join.  Get a sponsor. Share what's bothering you. You only need to stay sober 24 hours at a time. Worry only about today and stay in the moment. Find people that have what you want in sobriety and stick with them. Thats what worked for me one day at a time. It's been 8 years and 10 months now since I found it necessary to drink. I wish the same for you as well.



I've been fired from two jobs due to drinking been unemployed about 8 months :facepalm:. I feel like I'm unemployable at this point.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #24202881 - 03/29/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

First thing you gotta do when you're deep down in that hole is to stop digging. Do exactly what Anatoly said...first thing...don't take that first drink for any reason...as soon as an alcoholic takes that first drink....all bets are off.

The steps are a way up and out of that hole but you don't have to jump right into them...just a desire to stop drinking is all you need. I have met people in AA with bottoms lower than mine and many never got as bad as me...I've heard of several members who had to deal with homicides and suicide attempts that are now fully functioning and responsible people. My old sponsor, now deceased, went from a 6 figure bankers salary to being homeless and eating out of  dumpsters for 2 years. When he got sober and cleaned up (a day at a time) he eventually got back into banking and recently died after 22 yrs. sober with that 6 figure job again.

Don't ever think that things are so bad that it won't matter if you stop or not. I have seen miracles happen almost daily in my years of AA....for an alcoholic to not drink is a miracle, in my opinion. Remember that you have a disease that tells you.. you don't have a disease. Please pm me if you would like to talk.


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