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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny] 2
#24163658 - 03/15/17 07:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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To get the conversation back on track.
I had one of THOSE dreams last night. The ones in which I consume an entire bottle of wine and it FEELS so real, and I'm so guilty and ashamed at the fact that I'm going to have to start over.
It's always a relief when I wake up and realize it was just a dream but damn. I hope those go away someday.....
-Day 431
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny]
#24163684 - 03/15/17 07:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: The only common thread I've found with people who have chronic anger issues is they all say they believe in God. It makes sense though. Having weird delusions and hallucinations or whatever it is that causes people to believe ridiculous things are signs of mental illness and poor mental health must be frustrating. Hopefully, these people can get "God" out of their lives so they can find peace and maybe even remain sober.
Stop.
You've been warned about this before.
If you don't believe in God FINE just don't comment on any of those post. You can easily say "That's not part of my recovery journey" and then move on. But when you get into arguments every few pages about the SAME subject it starts to seem like YOU are in fact the one with anger issues.
It's beyond beating a dead horse at this point.
Maybe you'd like to start your own thread for Atheist Sobriety or something? I'm fine with that, but I'm not ok with this conversation continuing to go the way it has been. Over and over and over again.
I AM open to changing the name of this thread to incorporate other styles of recovery, because I think that's important, but it would not be to open the doors for more arguments about God/HP etc. It would be to create an environment of solidarity and understanding that many of us are doing our own thing, and many others are doing AA, and it's ALL ok if it's working.

As far as I'm concerned it's not your thread. It's Just For Today's who started this thread as an AA thread. I did 60 in 60 and nearly 90 in 90. I'm still a regular fixture at my home group. I'm here with my HONEST opinions and I'm afforded the same courtesy at my home group thanks to tradition three. Sure you're willing to change the thread to fit YOUR sobriety needs but you don't even go to meetings. If anyone should start a non-AA recovery thread it's you. I'm actively involved in my group and by any criteria a REAL alcoholic. So was JFT. You may not like it but the real AA is gritty and a lot people there are still really very sick and it shows. As long as this is an AA thread alcoholics seeking sobriety like JFT, and myself should not have the doors closed on us. Especially by a non-member.
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This thread does not BELONG to anyone and I'm not claiming ownership of it.
As a moderator I am the only one who has access to even update the thread name, etc.
The fact of the matter is there are people participating in this thread who are staying sober and not necessarily working 12 steps, myself included, and we deserve to have a place and a voice here.
I was offering it as a possibility because it was suggested by Thayendanegea, and because people like TheFakeSunRa have a problem with elements of AA/The 12 Steps, it actually has absolutely nothing to do with me or my recovery journey. I have absolutely NO problem with keeping it an AA thread, and I have no problem with ANY element of AA - never have, never will.
TheFakeSunRa actually seems to be the one here who has the biggest problems with AA, so I thought I'd make the offer to make it a more inclusive environment here. That's all.
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Bottom line - I'm fucking sick of the arguing and in-fighting about God/HP etc.
This is not a place for arguing, it's a place for support, encouragement and community for people who want to get sober from Alcoholism.
If I see you instigating ONE more argument about God/HP you're out, possibly permanently.
You're literally the ONLY one here causing issues and stirring up shit and ALWAYS over the same topic.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny]
#24163734 - 03/15/17 08:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I drank way too much in my teenage years. Ive also done a lot of things i regret while drunk some of which arent subject to the statue of limitations
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny]
#24163855 - 03/15/17 09:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: To get the conversation back on track.
I had one of THOSE dreams last night. The ones in which I consume an entire bottle of wine and it FEELS so real, and I'm so guilty and ashamed at the fact that I'm going to have to start over.
It's always a relief when I wake up and realize it was just a dream but damn. I hope those go away someday.....
-Day 431
Im only on a little over 2 weeks and I've had the same thing. I mentioned that guilt a couple pages back ha.
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TheFakeSunRa said: The only common thread I've found with people who have chronic anger issues is they all say they believe in God. It makes sense though. Having weird delusions and hallucinations or whatever it is that causes people to believe ridiculous things are signs of mental illness and poor mental health must be frustrating. Hopefully, these people can get "God" out of their lives so they can find peace and maybe even remain sober.
You need to get out more...maybe a different meeting because this is exactly the opposite of what I have seen.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny] 1
#24164110 - 03/15/17 11:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: To get the conversation back on track.
I had one of THOSE dreams last night. The ones in which I consume an entire bottle of wine and it FEELS so real, and I'm so guilty and ashamed at the fact that I'm going to have to start over.
It's always a relief when I wake up and realize it was just a dream but damn. I hope those go away someday.....
-Day 431
Drunk dreams are quite common and also terrifying. I still had them occasionally after a decade of sobriety....I was told to enjoy them...because they're a free drunk...lol. The part that makes them terrifying means that you are serious about sobriety...for that instant when you wake where you want to cry....and then reality hits and the relief is grand!
BTW....Today makes it 18 yrs. without a drink for me. I only say this because, if I can stay sober this long, anyone can....just use the tools of the program. As you know...I make no bones about it...I am sober today because of God and the 12 steps of AA...period. This is a truth stamped deep into my soul. The first thing I do every morning upon waking is ask God to help me not to take a drink today and to do his or her will....Then I say some prayers for others in and out of the rooms(including here). I say thanks before I turn in at night for keeping me sober for another 24 hrs....pretty simple.
I urge newcomers to try this whether they believe or not...because, in the beginning, I didn't really believe either....I just said that prayer because others who had what I wanted said that they do it and it helped....and I was desperate....sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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Today makes it 18 yrs
That's fantastic, man. Congratulations.
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I'm also tired of the arguments about God. I'm personally an atheist/agnostic in many senses, but i find you can still have a HP and connection to it without belief in "God" as he/she/it is traditionally viewed.
My HP is the universe, and as we are all a part of it, i have a connection with my HP through relationships with other people. And while i don't believe the Universe on a larger scale is benevolent or malevolent, i believe the fellowship of AA is generally loving.
I know quite a few people with long term sobriety who have similar conceptions. That being said, i don't have a problem with the word "God" anymore, and truly believe that more traditional conceptions work amazingly well for others. God AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.
@Theyen, Congrats on 18!!! That's amazing, and evidence of how this program can work.
I'm approaching 70 days myself.
I got a sponsor within a day of moving to SF, worked step one yesterday, and have been going to at least one meeting a day.
I should be getting a commitment at a wharf rats meeting tomorrow, but i've been raising my hand for all of the meeting by meeting volunteer commitments in the mean time.
This is the first time i've been truly doing the triangle: unity, service, and recovery.
I've been arriving to meetings early and leaving late, really putting myself out there and meeting people. As a result, I haven't felt isolated and disconnected, even though i'm in a city that i've never been to with people i just met.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Memories] 1
#24164481 - 03/15/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is awesome!...you and I actually have the same concept of God...to me, it is like a light switch being turned on with a warm glow instead of lights.....Maybe Source, or something of that nature... It has always intensified the more I did things like you mentioned. Truth is, I only refer to God as "Him or Her" because people usually look up when I say that....it makes them think about it lol. I became my homegroups institution rep at 1 yr. sober...did that for 8 years. I also took a meeting every friday night into a treatment center on my own (treatment ctr. that I went to and drank the night I was released....they said my chances of staying sober was "guarded") ...for 15 yrs. The service end of recovery directly ties into the spiritual...no doubt.
I am glad you brought up the triangle....it was described to me as a three legged stool...any one breaks off and the stool falls. Congratulations on 70 days and especially for being sober today. Congratulations to any alcoholic on here that has made it through today without a drink.....after all, that is all any of us have.
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Bill W. from the Grapevine
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: yogabunny]
#24164889 - 03/15/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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an alcoholic is a member if he says so; that we can’t deny him his membership; that we can’t demand from him a cent; that we can’t force our beliefs or practices upon him; that he may flout everything we stand for and still be a member … So long as there is the slightest interest in sobriety, the most unmoral, the most anti-social, the most critical alcoholic may gather
agreed 100%...keep coming back.
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So I had a weird thing happen today. As some of you may know I hit some xanax a while back. Well I ran out of those and have been getting back in the zone but today was rather shakey so I got two shuttles of fighting cock. After hitting them I got nauseous and started shaking worse. My eyes were jerking around and whenever I would talk my voice sounded real weak and distant.
Anyways, I made it back to my place, hurled a good 'get it all out' hurl and layed down for awhile and it faded. All in all that sucked ass and really solidified my belief that the next one is going to kill me. I never made it anywhere near cirrhosis, my damage is all up in my head and nervous system.
So I'm getting back into dry mode again, I made it a pretty good run before screwing up so it's all good. The silver lining is that the drinks were in no way fun and actually quite the opposite. So my day count along with temptation is back to zero. I made it around 70-80 days or better so if I hit triple digits this time I'm making progress. I'm sort of pissed I lost all my day, that took awhile to accumulate..
Hella props on 18 years homie, you're now officially an adult non-drinker.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86]
#24165901 - 03/16/17 01:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you get the Xanax through a prescription?
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Yep, the ol' doc-a-reeno.. the ol' doc-a-ruskey hooked a brother up, why do you ask?
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86] 1
#24166141 - 03/16/17 05:44 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I ain't saying the ol doc can't steer you wrong but if staying on the right side of the law is the way you've been playing it I hope that's a line in the sand you can avoid crossing. Pills on the black market are another can of worms none of us need.
Sorry you fell off the wagon. Our most regular chairperson says "alcoholics drink- no point kicking yourself over it- there's no rule saying you have to do it again"
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so if I hit triple digits this time I'm making progress.
I suggest not thinking of it that way. Again I'll talk a little bit about what this meeting chair, who I respect tremendously, says. He says that a lot of relapses are actually planned.
There's a paradox about one day at a time. Thinking short term gets you through the long haul. You think I'm going to make it through today, everyday, then at day 99 you still think, I just make it through today and I'll be in triple digits (that milestone meant a ton to me ) but then when you get to a hundred days you still keep the same pattern, just for today, another 24 hours, one day at a time, --maybe there's that creepy monster in your head saying hey great run 100 days! You've earned it- tell him to come back tomorrow until those tomorrows equal a life of sobriety.
Good luck man. And you didn't hear from me but if prayer helps pray. Use every weapon in your arsenal.
Peace.
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Thayendanegea said: Drunk dreams are quite common and also terrifying. I still had them occasionally after a decade of sobriety....I was told to enjoy them...because they're a free drunk...lol. The part that makes them terrifying means that you are serious about sobriety...for that instant when you wake where you want to cry....and then reality hits and the relief is grand!
BTW....Today makes it 18 yrs. without a drink for me. I only say this because, if I can stay sober this long, anyone can....just use the tools of the program. As you know...I make no bones about it...I am sober today because of God and the 12 steps of AA...period. This is a truth stamped deep into my soul. The first thing I do every morning upon waking is ask God to help me not to take a drink today and to do his or her will....Then I say some prayers for others in and out of the rooms(including here). I say thanks before I turn in at night for keeping me sober for another 24 hrs....pretty simple.
I urge newcomers to try this whether they believe or not...because, in the beginning, I didn't really believe either....I just said that prayer because others who had what I wanted said that they do it and it helped....and I was desperate....sick and tired of being sick and tired. 
I also feel like it's a good reminder of what happens at the end of the bottle of wine - I'm hungover and feeling like shit full of guilt and shame.
NO THANKS, I'm good on that for one lifetime.
Congrats on being sober today 6,570 times  
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Thayendanegea said: I see that you've been hanging around AA before, but have you ever tried working the steps with a sponsor? In all honesty, that is where the "peace of mind" happens. Have you ever asked God to help you to not drink?
Yes. I hate the steps. I think it's a joke. What I need is sober friends that do interesting shit. That's what keeps me sober. Writing about all the people I have faulted just makes me cry. And I don't like to cry and I've already made my peace with all of them.
My sponsor asked me to do it. Uh that's just being a decent human being. Apologing for your faults. I do it all the time.
I thought it was a load of shit and it made me feel so bad writing it and having to revisit things I've already apologized for. Fuck the steps.
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