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TheFakeSunRa said: "Studied" might be an exaggeration but I've read some pop-science books, watched documentaries, listened to science podcasts and read about it online. I think I know a bit about most of the theoretical stuff that has permeated popular culture like wave particle duality and the uncertainty principle. I understand that physics at the subatomic level (in my limited understanding, especially the electron) behaves in a manner that defies basic human logic and understanding.
Some of the books I've read that touch on this stuff are: A Universe from Nothing, Physics of the Impossible, The Tao of Physics, The Singularity, and I think a few others. I'm not endorsing any of those books just trying give you an idea of the type of pop-science I've read that tries to explain this stuff to laypeople.
 
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Amanita86 said: You'll understan how that works one day probably.
You won't. You'll continue on in your self-righteous arrogant condescending bullshit and think it's all peaches and cream.
I sure hope so..
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86]
#24156648 - 03/12/17 04:29 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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As a young teen I went to a bible study, the head guy told us, it doesn't matter if you fold your hands, as a matter of face you can jump up and do a hand stand.
Its not the fact your praying, believing ///
no one is alone in any of their feelings, there is another person, animal, spirit that had been there or is going through the same thing.
your not alone.
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TheFakeSunRa said: "Studied" might be an exaggeration but I've read some pop-science books, watched documentaries, listened to science podcasts and read about it online. I think I know a bit about most of the theoretical stuff that has permeated popular culture like wave particle duality and the uncertainty principle. I understand that physics at the subatomic level (in my limited understanding, especially the electron) behaves in a manner that defies basic human logic and understanding.
Some of the books I've read that touch on this stuff are: A Universe from Nothing, Physics of the Impossible, The Tao of Physics, The Singularity, and I think a few others. I'm not endorsing any of those books just trying give you an idea of the type of pop-science I've read that tries to explain this stuff to laypeople.
If you put 1/10th of the effort that you have used to prove to yourself that God does not exist into trying a little blind faith and asking a power that may be bigger than you for help(on a daily basis) to do the right things and to not drink....you just might be amazed. Open mindedness is an attribute.
Anyway, one of the mantras that I have picked up through the years in the program that I need to utilize a little more is "Live and let live." If anyone wants any help and is struggling with this disease and with the program of AA ....just send me a PM and I'll try very hard to help you.
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Open mindedness is an attribute
Are you open minded enough to stop praying if I tell you it'll help you stay sober?
I don't believe that to be true but that's how ridiculous it is to me. For me. Not everyone but only for me.
I don't TRY not to believe I just don't. I'm tired of my beliefs being disrespected as closed-minded or pathway to relapse.
I don't tell you you need atheism to stay sober and I have just as much evidence that belief causes relapse as you do that higher powers prevent them. None.
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Like I said....Live and let live. Whatever trips your trigger. Just don't go around bashing a program that you refuse to work or even believe in. I really am happy for you that you have been able to stay sober by the fellowship of AA alone and I really hope that works out for you.
Your first sentence is ridiculous...I tried not praying and ended up in a jail cell...been there, done that. As a matter of fact, it was exactly 18 yrs. ago today that I was shaking in a jail cell and finally asked God for help. I have been sober since and have something I value only slightly less than sobriety...that's peace of mind, and it's because of the program of AA...faith and works are required for the latter....something that many people refuse to do mostly because of laziness, is my guess. Peace of mind is definitely not over rated.
Honestly, it pisses me off when I hear newcomers come into this program and start jabbering on about how you don't need a higher power and that the steps are out dated. This is peoples lives that you are messing with and just because you have been able to white knuckle it for a few months does not lend creed to your opinions. But that's ok....when you do drink again...you can blame it on me or AA and tell everyone how fucked up the program is when you haven't even stuck your big toe in it. I've seen it thousands of times in my days sober in AA and that is a fact....not an exaggeration.
IDK...the way this thread wanders some times....I think it should just be named the " stop drinking thread" or something like that and keep AA out of it since no one wants to actually do any work to help themselves or others.(by work, I mean working and applying the program of AA".)
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Naa I like the title because it stands differently in appearance than a run of the mill "stop drinking" thread that some people are likely to pass by.
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Thayendanegea said: Like I said....Live and let live. Whatever trips your trigger. Just don't go around bashing a program that you refuse to work or even believe in. I really am happy for you that you have been able to stay sober by the fellowship of AA alone and I really hope that works out for you.
AMEN!
FakeSunRa - Your constant complaining about the God/Higher Power element of AA is a pretty interesting use of your energy, especially considering you claim that attending meetings helps you.
Why not just take what works for you and leave the rest? Is complaining about it and getting frustrated and antagonizing people in this thread who DO believe in a God/HP accomplishing anything positive or otherwise benefiting you or anyone else in any way?
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People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot of the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot ot the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
If an atheist is claiming they know for certain they are not an atheist. Atheism is the rejection of the theist claim that there is a divine being. If a theist brings evidence then that atheist will no longer be one.
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Alright, *non-believers.
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when you do drink again...
That's why I get hostile.
I'm not going to fucking drink again. You projecting my failure as if it's a forgone conclusion is condescending, negative, even hateful bullshit.
You lay off shit statements like that and I'll lay off laughing at your fake ass God.
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Amanita86 said: People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot ot the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
If an atheist is claiming they know for certain they are not an atheist. Atheism is the rejection of the theist claim that there is a divine being. If a theist brings evidence then that atheist will no longer be one.
Sure but if you can prove Santa Claus is real I'll believe that. But like God, he's make believe.
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Amanita86 said: People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot of the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
I've noticed people who believe in God are not at peace and tend to be high strung assholes. Just my personal experience.
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Amanita86 said: Alright, *non-believers.
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Amanita86 said: People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot ot the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
If an atheist is claiming they know for certain they are not an atheist. Atheism is the rejection of the theist claim that there is a divine being. If a theist brings evidence then that atheist will no longer be one.
Sure but if you can prove Santa Claus is real I'll believe that. But like God, he's make believe.
Yea I agree with you I don't claim 100 percent knowledge on the God thing. I just don't buy the theist argument for him.
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Amanita86 said: People on the average don't just 'not believe' in God. Usually it's more an anger and hateful resentment towards the concept. Which is strange but at the same time makes sense. I don't run across many athiests etc. that are just a flat out, "naaa, that ain't real".
Usually the mellow ones are like, "maybe there is, who knows". Alot of the certain "no's" are angry, in my experience.
I've noticed people who believe in God are not at peace and tend to be high strung assholes. Just my personal experience.
I find every race, class, creed etc. etc. has high strung assholes included. The world is a great place for breeding that trait.
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The only common thread I've found with people who have chronic anger issues is they all say they believe in God. It makes sense though. Having weird delusions and hallucinations or whatever it is that causes people to believe ridiculous things are signs of mental illness and poor mental health must be frustrating. Hopefully, these people can get "God" out of their lives so they can find peace and maybe even remain sober.
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day four and five is where this wagon breaks.
i don't have anywhere to go so i guess its all good. mad hatter style.
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You juss trollin' now. Or angry..
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TheFakeSunRa said: The only common thread I've found with people who have chronic anger issues is they all say they believe in God. It makes sense though. Having weird delusions and hallucinations or whatever it is that causes people to believe ridiculous things are signs of mental illness and poor mental health must be frustrating. Hopefully, these people can get "God" out of their lives so they can find peace and maybe even remain sober.
Stop.
You've been warned about this before.
If you don't believe in God FINE just don't comment on any of those post. You can easily say "That's not part of my recovery journey" and then move on. But when you get into arguments every few pages about the SAME subject it starts to seem like YOU are in fact the one with anger issues.
It's beyond beating a dead horse at this point.
Maybe you'd like to start your own thread for Atheist Sobriety or something? I'm fine with that, but I'm not ok with this conversation continuing to go the way it has been. Over and over and over again.
I AM open to changing the name of this thread to incorporate other styles of recovery, because I think that's important, but it would not be to open the doors for more arguments about God/HP etc. It would be to create an environment of solidarity and understanding that many of us are doing our own thing, and many others are doing AA, and it's ALL ok if it's working.
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