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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186000 - 05/03/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nicole, would you like to share how you came to terms with your powerlessness?
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186006 - 05/03/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is anyone else attending? If so, please introduce yourself.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186035 - 05/03/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Nicole, would you like to share how you came to terms with your powerlessness?
For me there wasn't a big aha moment, it just slowly developed over time from trying and failing to moderate my drinking. Being a "high functioning" alcoholic made it extra difficult for me to admit I was powerless. After 5 years of trying and failing, though, I finally started to realize I had absolutely no control and I never will when it comes to alcohol.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186052 - 05/03/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're doing great Nicole...those two things....unmanageability and powerlessness keep alot of us out there drinking much longer than we should....some follow it to insanity or even death.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186069 - 05/03/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I forgot to share the prayer that I say every morning and also before I share in a meeting...."God, please help me to not take a drink today and to do Your will, not mine" I then than Him or Her for getting me through the day without a drink.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186095 - 05/03/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is there anything you would like to address?...anything on your mind Nicole?
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186116 - 05/03/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Brian, addict-alcoholic
I feel that i had the first step down when i decided to go to inpatient. I knew i was an alcoholic even before that, and i pretty much just decided "well, fuck it" and i kept drinking even though i knew it was way out of control.
Alcohol eventually stopped giving me relief from my anxiety and existential dispair and i knew i had to find a way to stop or i would end my own life. So i called a rehab.
In rehab i was told by my councellors that, no, i hadn't taken the first step. I still think i did though. i had no problem admitting i was powerless over the booze and anything else that dulls my mind when i stepped through those doors into the noisy rehab center(they were having a christmas party that day)
I always remind myself that i'm powerless though, kind of like starting the day with an extra first step. i'm only just over 4 months sobor but sometimes i already think i could go have a few beers and be alright. first thought = wrong i guess.
anyway, thats my thought on the first step atm
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186118 - 05/03/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Part of the first step can be summed up on pg. 37 of the AA "In some circumstances we have gone out deliberately to get drunk, feeling ourselves justified ny nervousness, anger, worry, depression, jealously or the like. But even in this type of beginning we are obliged to admit that our justification for a spree was insanely insufficient in the light of what always happened. We now see that when we began to drink deliberately, instead of casually, there was little serious or effective thought during the period of premeditation of what the terrific consequences might be".
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23186139 - 05/03/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing that Brian....all any of us have is 24 hrs.sober....Well, I guess we're out of time...AA meetings are typically 1 hr....As I was told, because " An alcoholics' mind can only absorb what their asses can endure.
We can close with the serenity prayer.... God, grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Thanks you guys for our first meeting!!!
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23187514 - 05/04/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey this is nobler Hino, the funky junkie
I was just wondering what you guys mean by having a sponsor.
Is that just someone who bugs you about getting sober? If so I have plenty of those.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23187706 - 05/04/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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sorry I pooped out before the prayer.
Thank you for leading the meeting Mark. I guess it was kind of a flop overall, but I enjoyed it.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: yogabunny]
#23187927 - 05/04/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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No problem Nicole...wouldn't say it was a flop...anytime two drunks get together and talk about sobriety is pretty cool.
@ Nobler...a sponsor is someone that has applied the 12 steps to their life and has a good working knowledge of them. They become a sponsor when you ask them to help you apply the steps into your life and they accept.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23188790 - 05/04/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool, only idk anyone in person but I'm sure I can find one here.
Thanks thay!
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: vinsue]
#23188876 - 05/04/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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vinsue said: Nobler Hino, this might be an option, meetings on line. https://www.intherooms.com/livemeetings/list give you an idea what it's about.
Be well people... . . . 
Did you register at Intherooms? I'm vinsue there, too.
Missed the live meeting, I'm on new meds and sleeping more than usual, (that's better than insomnia, I remember those nights)
2 people from my home group with about 8 years each are back counting days. At least they're back. Some don't make it back... . . . 
The Alcoholics Anonymous Camel symbol
The camel each day goes twice to his knees. He picks up his load with the greatest of ease. He walks through the day with his head held high. And stays for that day, completely dry...
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: vinsue]
#23189141 - 05/04/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't register, but I definitely should.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: vinsue]
#23191719 - 05/05/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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2 people from my home group with about 8 years each are back counting days. At least they're back. Some don't make it back... . . . 
This happens fairly often, Vince...The good part is, that they are back and still alive, hopefully not in jail. A past pigeon of mine had 3 yrs. sober and went back out on a spree...he wound up getting 4 DUI's in 2 weeks before a lawyer convinced him to get into a treatment program...anyway, that was years ago...and, he's still sober today.
No one can take those 8 years of sobriety and clean living away from them. And, like I always say...all any of us have is 24 hrs. It is what you do with today that counts.
I have asked a ton of people that decided for one reason or another to go back out and test the waters again if they had prayed before they drank...asked God to help them not take a drink and to do God's will.....None of them did and I have heard this over and over...the two common elements to going back out are a) stop praying and b) stop going to meetings.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23192372 - 05/05/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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For some reason I initially read your username as "The Aryan agenda." A little dyslexic sometimes ha. What does your username mean, can't really figure it out?
I'd like to mention that I monitor this thread regularly and overall I think it's a positive thing for the community here. You are quite active in this thread and your roll here really ties it all together.
I have had my struggles with alcohol and (primarily) opiates. I don't like putting labels on things but I try and take the messages 12 step programs have that I like and leave the rest. I try to keep an open mind and read all different philosophies on addiction and recovery. Its all about harm reduction, whatever works for YOU.
Haven't used opiates in weeks and have drastically cut down how much and how often I drink. But yeah wanted to say that what you're doing is positive and I don't think im the only person getting something out of all this.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23192598 - 05/05/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shane Alcoholic. This month we have two celebrates!
Aaron and TFS John.
At the end of the month, I will come back on the last saturday and ask you how you did it!
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] 1
#23192682 - 05/05/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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For some reason I initially read your username as "The Aryan agenda." A little dyslexic sometimes ha. What does your username mean, can't really figure it out?
lol...that's real funny...I never saw that in this name before.
Thayendanegea was a Mohawk Indian chief,with a given name of Joseph Brant...(that's his pic in my avatar) kinda my hero..he was educated by the English and wound up fighting the Torries for them ...only trying to do better for his people...In the end he was fucked over by everyone. His tribe was in the Northern Pa. New York area and was a brilliant leader.
He was actually sent to England to meet the King. He was told that the king was the most powerful man in the world they called him the great chief. Lol, when he met him ...he saw this pasty white pudgy puny man...and immediately commented on How this pudgy white man could not be the great chief as he had no strength or dignity at all. He was immediately escorted back to the new world and was lucky to be spared punishment for such remarks to the king.
This made him more disillusioned with white man in general.Because he knew English and their ways, he was very important in any negotiations...which, of course, in the end were rarely honored.
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous (Come and share thread) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23193316 - 05/05/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aaron. Addict. I've recently chosen to stop going to meetings and seek recovery outside of a twelve step program. I have already heard all of the "you're cured?" and "let me know how that works out for you" remarks from just about everywhere. So... Save it. As for the serious inquiries as to what I am doing to supplement meetings, and how I plan on continuing down the broad road of recovery, here it is.
I still have many acquaintances who are abstinent from drug use, and one friend (my only friend). I'll continue to spend time with them, caring and sharing outside the rooms. I also have quite a large support system including my family, and everyone I work with, whom I consider my second family. I spend most of my waking life there, so they watch out for me. They also know me rather well, and can tell when something's off. I've always felt more comfortable talking to them about my problems than people in the rooms, and I get more relief from it as well. I picked up working out again. The feeling I receive from physical exhaustion is absolutely mind blowing. Along side with lifting, I will be rock climbing, and biking pretty heavily. I'm also looking into other recovery programs, and seeking CBT (cognitive behavioral therepy) from a counselor.
So what sparked this you may ask? Well.....
One of my "friends" that I was in rehab with one year ago (almost exactly) moved up to the halfway house that I left about 3 months ago. We maintained correspondence when we parted ways after leaving the facility. I stayed in the immediate area, moved into a halfway house there, and stayed clean. He, moved back home and didn't. Eventually a spot opened up, and he moved in. We were pretty tight after he moved in. So fast forward. I got him a job with my exboss, I got my own place and moved out.....
... To make a long story short. I ended up getting something that he wanted.. Lets just pretend that I had bought a beer kit. Like, make your own beer deal. I had it sent to the house that he was living at, then went and picked it up and made some beer. So, when it was sent to the house, it had no harmful contents, but after the creation, I had booze. He knew about this deal. And, as guilty as I feel for releasing enough information for him to put two and two together, I never let him see it, or touch it, or smell it, or anything of that nature. So he starts on this "let me try some beer deal", and the whole time I think he's fucking joking. for real. totally thought he was just fucking around. Then after a while, I begin to think he's testing me to see if I'd do something as fucked up as give him beer. So, I'm like, no, bro. I wouldn't do that. So the next morning I wake up to a text that says, " I love you very much, but we can't hang out any more". Then, he went and pulled some spiteful bull shit and tells the house manager that I sent a beer kit to a halfway house. He didn't give a shit, but that's not the point. It's that he went and told someone that had absolutely nothing to do with the ordeal. We were supposed to be good friends, and instead of handling this thing like men, he went and snitched on me to someone who can't do anything about the situation, who has no right knowing. IDK, there's some shit that I'm leaving out. I don't have the power to make someone use, but in this case I prevented someone from using by not giving them something harmful to their recovery.
But the whole point here is that I know that what I initially did bordered the line between wrong and right. But the way that it was handled really pissed me off. Then I started thinking about all of the people in the program (it's a small town so I know them all personally, and I know how they live), and the things they say, and think. I started to see through their bull shit. So many times have I called people only to reach their voicemail. No one has EVER gone out of their way, and acted selflessly to help me, or anyone else in the fellowshit.
WOW.
Thanks for letting me get all of that off my chest.
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