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ID request - azzies? From WA coast
    #22551980 - 11/20/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

P. azurescens or cyanescens, or something else?


Habitat:
Coastal dune grass, Southern Washington

Gills:
Dark brown, unattached to stipe: not sure if these are "free" or "adnexed".

Stem:
cottony/fibrous, thicker base, some stems have wisps of mycelium or mold near the base. No ring or distinct remnants in the annular zone that I could see clearly. Easily bruised.

Cap:
not-so-prominent umbonate. Some nicks/scratches/bruises which appear to be bruising blue/black. I had difficulty separating a pellicle. Not sure if there was no pellicle or if they were too dry.

Spore print color:
Dark chocolatey brown, with red/purple hue. Black-brown when spore print thick.

Bruising:
These were not what I was expecting for blue bruising after hunting blue ringers many years ago (my only other hunting experience with actives). The reaction was fairly slow and I was not sure if I was imagining the blue hue or if they were just black. In general, I'm not sure if what I was seeing really was blue or if I just really wanted them to be bruising blue.

I "met a guy" on the beach who was also hunting who confirmed these as "dry Azzies" (I didn't see his), so I'd like a second opinion. I'm at about 90% confidence level of these being Psilocybe actives based on bruising and spore color, but they just don't match many descriptions of Azzies that I've read. The cap color seems off but there did seems to be some that were more translucent dark brown than other creamy tan ocher. The umbonate seems unpronounced. Gill color also seems too dark, unless this is due to thick spore mass?

I could not find a key to psilocybes, just descriptions, and the descriptions don't quite match up enough to my satisfaction.

Thank you in advance for your help!











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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: janin]
    #22551989 - 11/20/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: nexxone]
    #22552026 - 11/20/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybe cubensis

Edit. Just re read and noticed you found them in the dunes so now I think there some thing else. They don't look like cyans tho :shrug:


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22552034 - 11/20/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely not cubensis. Probably azurescens.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: elprawn]
    #22552038 - 11/20/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah my bad. I didn't read the post and jumped the gun :facepalm3:


Edited by Bubbles85 (11/20/15 03:11 PM)


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: elprawn]
    #22552057 - 11/20/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

These look so close to allenii that it makes me wonder whether allenii are commonly misidentified as azzies in the PNW.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: DavidReishi]
    #22552183 - 11/20/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if u look at the ones not in hygrophanous(i cant spell and am lazy AF) they look exactly like azures to me.

there could be allenii in there but i feel pretty good calling them azures just based on the few i can see. eitherway they all look active


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: nexxone]
    #22552248 - 11/20/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They look like P. azurescens to me.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22552293 - 11/20/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

All azzies and nice score. Timing couldn't have been any more perfect. Sexy prints too.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22552300 - 11/20/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I wasn't suggesting they're allenii...they just made me think about the fact generally.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22552301 - 11/20/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you all for the input!

I forgot to mention that these were growing as single mushrooms, not clusters, spread out growing in strands/lines. I'd find one, then another a foot away, then another one or two more feet away in the same direction.

The even striate margins are more apparent in the darker translucent ones. I'm not sure if you can tell clearly in the pics.

So the fact that I couldn't peel off a pellicle is not an issue for identifying these as psilocybes?

Also, the bruising here and spore print color look legit to you all?

I'm now suspecting they're probably azurescens or alenii.

Thanks again!


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: DavidReishi]
    #22552333 - 11/20/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I wasn't suggesting they're allenii...they just made me think about the fact generally.



I wasn't suggesting that you were suggesting that they were allenii, I was just giving my input on what I think they are. P. azurescens do look more like allenii than cyanescens IMO


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: janin]
    #22552351 - 11/20/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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janin said:
Thank you all for the input!

I forgot to mention that these were growing as single mushrooms, not clusters, spread out growing in strands/lines. I'd find one, then another a foot away, then another one or two more feet away in the same direction.



That's how I have found them, they don't grow as gregarious as P. cyanescens.

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The even striate margins are more apparent in the darker translucent ones. I'm not sure if you can tell clearly in the pics.

So the fact that I couldn't peel off a pellicle is not an issue for identifying these as psilocybes?



This is normal once the mushrooms have dried out a little, I'm sure that the wind at the coast plays a major factor in that.

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Also, the bruising here and spore print color look legit to you all?



Yes.

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I'm now suspecting they're probably azurescens or alenii.

Thanks again!



What part of the PNW did you find them- generally? As far as I know allenii are only found in dune grasses in Southern Oregon and Northern California.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22552420 - 11/20/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What part of the PNW did you find them- generally? As far as I know allenii are only found in dune grasses in Southern Oregon and Northern California.




These were found on the Pacific Ocean coast. I checked Westport a couple weeks ago and didn't find anything so I kept checking further south and found these.  It was pretty windy there, so that would explain their dryness even though it was after a couple days of rain and the dune grass was still moist.


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Re: ID request - azzies? From WA coast [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22552441 - 11/20/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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DavidReishi said:
Yeah I wasn't suggesting they're allenii...they just made me think about the fact generally.



I wasn't suggesting that you were suggesting that they were allenii, I was just giving my input on what I think they are. P. azurescens do look more like allenii than cyanescens IMO



Nor was I suggesting that you were suggesting that I was suggesting, can I get fries with that? Wait, huh?


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