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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22562247 - 11/23/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So imagine we have a totally free market in all things. What if the cost of a policy for a person making $22,000 is still higher than he/she can afford. So he/she has to choose between rent and health insurance? So the person will have to rely on charity. But what if the amount of charity is insufficient?
Since in a free market system no one will provide medical services without payment shouldn't the person in this example pray he/she never gets sick? The Emergency Room law forcing hospitals to treat all who arrive would not apply in a free market.
The person had better hope a medical event never happens. Countless people will be dying in the street. This is your version of utopia?
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562265 - 11/23/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off, I don't believe in Utopias, that's for liberals who live in Lala land.
Secondly, you USED to be able to buy insurance that would cover only major illness for a much cheaper rate than what we have now. I used to make minimum wage, and had insurance. Shocking right? I paid my rent and had gas to go to work, food on the table, with no welfare and no charity. It can be done. It's a fact. You're assumptions that someone would HAVE to rely on charity is flawed, but yes, there are those too.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22562287 - 11/23/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So say a 65 year old comes down with dementia and needs 24/7 nursing. The person has spent all their money on nursing and is now broke. They should be kicked to the curb, right? Isn't this the free market answer to this problem?
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562316 - 11/23/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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To the asshole who actually agrees with obamacare (I don't need to mention names, we can all see who he is): Me and everyone I know with obamacare, our premiums have DOUBLED EVERY YEAR that we have had obamacare. It happens around the same time. You know what I have to do? Since it's open enrollment, I have to look for ANOTHER plan that is cheaper.
I cannot afford this. I am healthy, I don't need medical insurance. I have rent, car insurance, bills. I have more important things to pay for than fucking medical insurance, which DOUBLES every fucking year.
If I get a plan that's 0 dollars per month, it's going to have a high deductible. I can't fucking afford the deductible. And if I see a doctor, I wouldn't be able to afford the BEFORE DEDUCTIBLE price of the copay. And if I need to see a specialist, I definitely wouldn't be able to afford the before deductible copay. IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you talk to some people who actually have obamacare instead of spouting out the dictionary definition of what "affordable" is, because sweetie, it aint fucking affordable.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: occollegeboi]
#22562372 - 11/23/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cannot afford this. I am healthy, I don't need medical insurance. I have rent, car insurance, bills. I have more important things to pay for than fucking medical insurance, which DOUBLES every fucking year.
I hear ya brother, my insurance rates have doubled as well... Let's see, who gets fucked the MOST by the ACA? The middle class, regular joes like you and I, and people still support democrats, it baffles my mind... (I'm still convinced it's because unfettered abortion is their holy grail, so fucking scared of ANY restrictions on it, they don't care)
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22562380 - 11/23/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cannot afford this. I am healthy, I don't need medical insurance. I have rent, car insurance, bills. I have more important things to pay for than fucking medical insurance, which DOUBLES every fucking year.
I hear ya brother, my insurance rates have doubled as well... Let's see, who gets fucked the MOST by the ACA? The middle class, regular joes like you and I, and people still support democrats, it baffles my mind... (I'm still convinced it's because unfettered abortion is their holy grail, so fucking scared of ANY restrictions on it, they don't care)
What does abortion have to do with this thread? Deflect when you can't answer a question.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562482 - 11/23/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What fucking question? You asserted lies as facts, I brought you facts, which you ignored.Quote:
fivepointer said: So say a 65 year old comes down with dementia and needs 24/7 nursing. The person has spent all their money on nursing and is now broke. They should be kicked to the curb, right? Isn't this the free market answer to this problem?
You have no idea what you're talking about, typical liberal stooge. I've never advocated doing away with Medicaid for the REAL poor. This is about Obamacare, remember? I'm pretty sure a 65 year old with dementia is NOT gonna be buying health insurance, or are you saying that this mythical 65 year old is still well enough to work and afford premiums?
Pull your tongue out of Obama's ass for two seconds and concentrate, can ya do that?
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22562484 - 11/23/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You just can't admit the free market is a fail. So now you get in a hissy fit.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562549 - 11/23/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: You just can't admit the free market is a fail. So now you get in a hissy fit.
Hissy fit? Are you retarded? If the free market is such a fail, move to Cuba or Venezuela, because that's what you people are trying to bring here. They have free healthcare and the free education you wish so dearly for...
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#22562555 - 11/23/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: You just can't admit the free market is a fail. So now you get in a hissy fit.
Free market and health care don't mix, but at the same time the ACA is a joke as well. Universal care works best.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22562559 - 11/23/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You sound like Faux news gone crazy. A jingoistic splattering of nonsense.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562591 - 11/23/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Louisiana just voted in a Governor who will expand Medicaid. So that is a win for sanity.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562593 - 11/23/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: You sound like Faux news gone crazy. A jingoistic splattering of nonsense.
You sound like
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22562598 - 11/23/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need to grow up.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562605 - 11/23/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Louisiana just voted in a Governor who will expand Medicaid. So that is a win for sanity.
Yep, I heard that, apparently they didn't learn from the last democrat governor who let New Orleans get flooded, provided no aid and refused federal govt. assistance...
Let me guess, the new one is pro abortion
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: fivepointer]
#22562608 - 11/23/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: You need to grow up.
And you need to tell your libtard elected officials to stop giving my money to illegals, abortion clinics and Syrian terrorists
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#22562822 - 11/23/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Healthcare started getting fucked up once govt got involved, we have not had free market healthcare In decades
Free markets are the ONLY way to control costs
So say a 65 year old comes down with dementia and needs 24/7 nursing. The person has spent all their money on nursing and is now broke. They should be kicked to the curb, right? Isn't this the free market answer to this problem?
You have no idea what you're talking about, typical liberal stooge. I've never advocated doing away with Medicaid for the REAL poor
I'm guessing you supported this rally then?
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22565280 - 11/23/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: i was NOT surprised that the democrats fucked over the poor and lower middle class yet again, unfortunately...
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hostileuniverse said: Nope, try staying on topic, unless you are suggesting that Obowelmovementcare was DESIGNED to fail to push us to singlepayer...
Healthcare started getting fucked up once govt got involved, we have not had free market healthcare In decades
you're entirely right, once the healthcare lobbyist demanded that every single person get it (otherwise they claimed only the sick would get it when they needed it and they'd go bankrupt) and then gop lead congress put every stop block measure into it every chance they got so they could to assure it was destined for failure. After passing this bastardized weakened version of the law it's simply a market place to allow the still very for-profit healthcare agencies to tweak it an squeeze every dime they still can.
I fixed some of your errors to present a more historically accurate representation of how the law became so and who actually had their hands in it.
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Re: United Healthcare to withdraw from Obamacare Exhanges [Re: airclay]
#22565333 - 11/23/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think healthcare is bad, try going to the dentist. Even if you have insurance and you need any major work done, like I do, you'll feel like you got ass-fucked by an elephant without Vaseline by the time the dentist gets through with you.
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