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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22545811 - 11/19/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure if you agree we should have had ww2 tax levels at the start of the Iraq war and should still high taxes right now .
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: psilynut]
#22545999 - 11/19/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL because the word felonious implies the law, which is controlled by the government. Fucking circle logic. So, according to your logic; the government can take whatever they want from me as long as they call it a "tax" good logic there, liberal
That's true , it's how we won ww2 . Superhigh taxes . Govt controlled everything . Your 28th amendment would lead to geting our asses kicked in another major war . What kind of national security would a govt with no power or money provide for us?
Nah the 28th wouldn't. Were the Nazis invading the USA when we decided to implement "superhigh taxes-govt controlled everything"? How were we going to "get our asses kicked" if Germany wasn't even at our shores yet?
Yeah I'm delusional to think that every time there's a Hitler the US government SHOULDN'T take everything I own to fight some war.
The 28th allows the government to save money (at a 10% GDP Tax revenue), if they wish, and also borrow money (using their own credit-not the publics'), so if they need some self defense they can have it. (Still no reason to steal from me)
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22546227 - 11/19/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I wouldn't volunteer for your poorly funded joke of military . Your going to need a draft . Wait . They're own credit ? They are going to buy their own war bonds ? Who s money are they going to use to pay back their own credit? You must be voting for Carson . You ever go to San Francisco ? There are old gun turrets from built just before ww2 on the side of a mountain going into the bay . They built them because they were afraid of Countries with a powerful navy . Parking an aircraft carrier off our shores and bombing us or a battleship lobbing shells was a real possibility . If we hadn't stopped them in the ocean , with ships and planes built by stolen taxes they could have bombed the shit out of us like they did in Pearl Harbor . You don't have to invade when you have aircraft carriers . Their plan was to knock us out of the war before our industrial capacity was up to its full strength , and that could have happened without what our govt did with taxes and total control . I think giving the government its own line of credit to wage war when it's feels a need to is extremely dangerous . Income tax forces us to care . The Iraq war would have been pretty fucking short if we had all been paying 50 to 90% .
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: psilynut]
#22546259 - 11/19/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL because the word felonious implies the law, which is controlled by the government. Fucking circle logic. So, according to your logic; the government can take whatever they want from me as long as they call it a "tax" good logic there, liberal
That's true , it's how we won ww2 . Superhigh taxes . Govt controlled everything . Your 28th amendment would lead to geting our asses kicked in another major war . What kind of national security would a govt with no power or money provide for us?
No, we borrowed the money to fund WW2, that's not how we won it.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
#22546302 - 11/19/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We built nasa with taxes but that's not how we got the moon .
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22546478 - 11/19/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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28th Amendment "The government shall not spend more than it takes in, yearly budget shall not exceed the tax revenue. State and Federal government Tax revenue limited to 10% of Gross Domestic Product, no matter the GDP levels. The government cannot borrow on behalf of its citizens"
This isn't bad, but it leaves a lot of room for GDP manipulation.
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29th "No personal activity shall be banned unless the activity can be proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, to provide harm to other citizens. Each citizen is allowed to own their mind, soul, and body and cannot go to jail, or be persecuted for a 'victimless crime' "
This is a terrible amendment. This would legalize the murder of non-citizens.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Enlil]
#22546774 - 11/19/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: 28th Amendment "The government shall not spend more than it takes in, yearly budget shall not exceed the tax revenue. State and Federal government Tax revenue limited to 10% of Gross Domestic Product, no matter the GDP levels. The government cannot borrow on behalf of its citizens"
This isn't bad, but it leaves a lot of room for GDP manipulation.
I think it'd be fine with just the first sentence.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Enlil]
#22548730 - 11/19/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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28th Amendment "The government shall not spend more than it takes in, yearly budget shall not exceed the tax revenue. State and Federal government Tax revenue limited to 10% of Gross Domestic Product, no matter the GDP levels. The government cannot borrow on behalf of its citizens"
This isn't bad, but it leaves a lot of room for GDP manipulation.
How about this,
28th Amendment "Finding that it is a conflict of interest for Lawyers to make laws, any citizen who has a degree in law or carries the title of esq. shall be banned from holding public office."
That will at lease get rid of the bulk of the scumbags in office.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Cyber]
#22548755 - 11/19/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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While we're at it, let's leave engineers out of the process of creating building codes and doctors out of the process of training doctors.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Enlil]
#22548863 - 11/19/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: While we're at it, let's leave engineers out of the process of creating building codes and doctors out of the process of training doctors.
Thats really apples and oranges. I do believe we should get the AMA out of the business of training doctors. They have artificially restricted the supply side to create an artificially low number of doctors. Thus keeping American medical costs high. As to Engineers, Building codes are written by building officials which in most jurisdictions requires only a Bachelor's degree in Administration. Not a degree in Engineering.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Cyber]
#22548884 - 11/19/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not really. Laymen writing laws means that lawyers will easily work out ways to circumvent them and use them in ways they weren't intended to be used.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: psilynut]
#22549400 - 11/19/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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psilynut said: So I wouldn't volunteer for your poorly funded joke of military . Your going to need a draft . Wait . They're own credit ? They are going to buy their own war bonds ? Who s money are they going to use to pay back their own credit? You must be voting for Carson . You ever go to San Francisco ? There are old gun turrets from built just before ww2 on the side of a mountain going into the bay . They built them because they were afraid of Countries with a powerful navy . Parking an aircraft carrier off our shores and bombing us or a battleship lobbing shells was a real possibility . If we hadn't stopped them in the ocean , with ships and planes built by stolen taxes they could have bombed the shit out of us like they did in Pearl Harbor . You don't have to invade when you have aircraft carriers . Their plan was to knock us out of the war before our industrial capacity was up to its full strength , and that could have happened without what our govt did with taxes and total control . I think giving the government its own line of credit to wage war when it's feels a need to is extremely dangerous . Income tax forces us to care . The Iraq war would have been pretty fucking short if we had all been paying 50 to 90% .
Aaah yes Pearl Harbor. A couple million dollars essentially ended the war via the Hydrogen bomb- Ending the war didn't cost the TRILLIONS of dollars we spend on the military today.
LOL "the Iraq war would have been short if only we had high taxes" WTF-Taxes have nothing to do with how much we spend-Look at our debt!We're already 20 TRILLION in debt, a third of that spent on Military, and we're still not out of Iraq- The hydrogen bomb would have been a better, cheaper solution.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Enlil]
#22549460 - 11/19/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Not really. Laymen writing laws means that lawyers will easily work out ways to circumvent them and use them in ways they weren't intended to be used.
Doesn't mean we need a lot of lawyer scum working in the government (not directed at anyone-there are plenty of good lawyers on the side of the people).
There were several lawyers, which was the most popular career at the time. Others were farmers, merchants, businessmen, writers and physicians. Some attended seminary, with a few ministers among them, while many were serving in public office. http://www.answers.com/Q/What_did_our_founding_fathers_do_for_a_living
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