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Latin ?? 1
#22546430 - 11/19/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I was a stupid kid of about 14 - I thought it was the best day ever when I was kicked out of the Latin class. Now I am heavily into growing cacti - with all their Latin names - I so regret my total stupidity. And now it is coming up to Christmas, I listen a lot to Enya´s Adeste, Fidelis. - What a wonderful, beautiful language this is. But we can all regret.
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I took Latin in school and it was actually one of my favourite classes. I did well and, to this day, enjoy it a lot. It might be dead by definition, but it's descendants and lingering influence are everywhere. It helps a lot when learning romance languages' vocabulary, and with English, as you guys have a remarkable number of words which originated from Latin.
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Re: Latin ?? [Re: Jamo]
#22552896 - 11/20/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jamo said: I took Latin in school and it was actually one of my favourite classes. I did well and, to this day, enjoy it a lot. It might be dead by definition, but it's descendants and lingering influence are everywhere. It helps a lot when learning romance languages' vocabulary, and with English, as you guys have a remarkable number of words which originated from Latin.
Not to mention the correlational boost in mathematical ability and standardized test scores. They dropped Latin after my third year in high school, since- ya know, no one took it.
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We had a language requirement and I started with German. I was so fucking happy when the German teacher left after one year. I switched to Latin because it was easy. There is very little bullshhit in Latin. I pity anyone who is trying to learn English as a second language.
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omniaautnihil
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zappaisgod said: There is very little bullshhit in Latin.
'Cept when you get to poetry and they throw out the rules to fit the cadence...
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My school made us learn Latin in grades 3-5, then in 6th grade we were allowed to choose something else. I had an awful time, I remember crying because I couldn't recite the Nicene creed properly. The only way for me to memorize it or large chunks of scripture was to make it into a song in my head. I stood there reciting it (in a kind of sing-song voice) and froze like an idiot when someone laughed. I couldn't finish, I just cried. xD I hate Latin.
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I have two BA'S, one in latin and another in ancient greek. Im currently in the midst of an education in clinical pharmacology.
Everyone, early as possible, should lear latin period; if you know its grammar, syntax, vocab, you can learn any westeren romance language in the blink of an eye. You learn of ancient myths and history, a polytheistic world much... saner than ours (polythesitic means belief in many gods). Monotheism is the woest thing thats ever happend to mankind. Itbreeds conflict.
Learn latin. Start slow. You wont regret it
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Or, ya know, learn a language that people actually speak and would be useful in your professional and social life.
Sorry, Latin may be the root of the romance languages, but its really not all it's hyped up to be. Partly because the "romance language" category barely encompasses 10% of the world in both geographical area and population. Generic syntax and vocab can be learned just as well by learning...a actually functional romance language! Mythology is well translated, even to non-romance languages.
You should still learn another language early on, as it will make learning languages much easier in the future. I breezed through all my language education requirements after learning English as a second language before kindergarden.
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Re: Latin ?? [Re: Kryptos]
#23268438 - 05/25/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everything you said is retarded.
Its called word eytymology, the building of words. Enlish, like all romance languages, was spread around by romans speaking latin, then latin uhh... evolving alongside w/e language your talking about after the fall.
Ancient greek, latins parent, uses grammar and syntax that cannot be expressed in english. They just cant. English lacks the expressions, usages, syntactical rules, ect ect. Its why some translations are about getting the modern reader to pull out the important stuff; WHAT they mean, HOW they understand their world, maybe trying to say to you, as a translator, "u should understand THIS, dont get confuzzled. I mean, english has no optative usages; they did not disapear, they simply were taken from whats learned by english speakers. The optatitive tense means something the writer/speaker thinks will happen or not, an unknown conclussion. Say, "maybe he will learn one day, in the greek optative; we just use the perfect tense, he did or did not learn anything new, which is the perfect tense (completed action)o r, they say hey grew up (we can still use a historical past tense) and learned some thing new.
But you cant use the optative cause its gone. Its not a dead language cause no country adopted it, but because languages have become more AMBIGUOUS, specially english, and no longer have the faculty to expressive an idea in such a fashion.
One last try. Thucydides writes in "thucydian greek", because he uses grammatical and syntactical constructions we have never seen any one else use.... ever. Its kinda why we have greek lexicons, or maps, not dictionaries, like modern languages. Why that happen? That kind of stylystic work was appriciated by ancient readers, maybe someone else used sais construction but it no exist no more.
Sry i am trting to force you to learn / think outside your box, i get why that pisses u off.
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Delicium452 said: Everything you said is retarded.
Its called word eytymology, the building of words. Enlish, like all romance languages, was spread around by romans speaking latin, then latin uhh... evolving alongside w/e language your talking about after the fall.
Ancient greek, latins parent, uses grammar and syntax that cannot be expressed in english. They just cant. English lacks the expressions, usages, syntactical rules, ect ect. Its why some translations are about getting the modern reader to pull out the important stuff; WHAT they mean, HOW they understand their world, maybe trying to say to you, as a translator, "u should understand THIS, dont get confuzzled. I mean, english has no optative usages; they did not disapear, they simply were taken from whats learned by english speakers. The optatitive tense means something the writer/speaker thinks will happen or not, an unknown conclussion. Say, "maybe he will learn one day, in the greek optative; we just use the perfect tense, he did or did not learn anything new, which is the perfect tense (completed action)o r, they say hey grew up (we can still use a historical past tense) and learned some thing new.
But you cant use the optative cause its gone. Its not a dead language cause no country adopted it, but because languages have become more AMBIGUOUS, specially english, and no longer have the faculty to expressive an idea in such a fashion.
One last try. Thucydides writes in "thucydian greek", because he uses grammatical and syntactical constructions we have never seen any one else use.... ever. Its kinda why we have greek lexicons, or maps, not dictionaries, like modern languages. Why that happen? That kind of stylystic work was appriciated by ancient readers, maybe someone else used sais construction but it no exist no more.
Sry i am trting to force you to learn / think outside your box, i get why that pisses u off.

English is not a Romance language; it is Germanic.
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Delicium452 said: Everything you said is retarded.
Its called word eytymology, the building of words. Enlish, like all romance languages, was spread around by romans speaking latin, then latin uhh... evolving alongside w/e language your talking about after the fall.
Ancient greek, latins parent, uses grammar and syntax that cannot be expressed in english. They just cant. English lacks the expressions, usages, syntactical rules, ect ect. Its why some translations are about getting the modern reader to pull out the important stuff; WHAT they mean, HOW they understand their world, maybe trying to say to you, as a translator, "u should understand THIS, dont get confuzzled. I mean, english has no optative usages; they did not disapear, they simply were taken from whats learned by english speakers. The optatitive tense means something the writer/speaker thinks will happen or not, an unknown conclussion. Say, "maybe he will learn one day, in the greek optative; we just use the perfect tense, he did or did not learn anything new, which is the perfect tense (completed action)o r, they say hey grew up (we can still use a historical past tense) and learned some thing new.
But you cant use the optative cause its gone. Its not a dead language cause no country adopted it, but because languages have become more AMBIGUOUS, specially english, and no longer have the faculty to expressive an idea in such a fashion.
One last try. Thucydides writes in "thucydian greek", because he uses grammatical and syntactical constructions we have never seen any one else use.... ever. Its kinda why we have greek lexicons, or maps, not dictionaries, like modern languages. Why that happen? That kind of stylystic work was appriciated by ancient readers, maybe someone else used sais construction but it no exist no more.
Sry i am trting to force you to learn / think outside your box, i get why that pisses u off.

Languages having expressions and tenses that simply do not exist in English is not something you need to learn Latin for. Russian has three genders, and every noun has it's own gender. Dog is a male word. Cat is a female word. Window is a neutral word. This is not something that is expressed in the English language. It is also a fusional language, which English is not. That is partly why the stereotypical Russian accent drops most articles from speech-you simply don't use articles very often when speaking Russian. It is also much less ambiguous than English, with a much wider and more specific vocabulary.
German has different moods, voices, and several tenses for auxiliary verbs, which is many more than English does. Also, the ability to simply smash words together to describe something. Such as the word for gloves-it literally translates to "hand-shoes". Not to mention sentence construction that seems absolutely bonkers from an English speaker's perspective.
My point, which I was trying to make earlier, still stands. You do not need to waste your time learning Latin to get the same benefits in terms of being able to understand wildly different language structures and syntax. If you are trying to understand the early etymology of commonly used words, theoretically for ease of deciphering related languages, then you either have an academic interest in Latin, which is outside the scope of OP, or you'd be better off learning Proto-Sino-Tibetan, which will let you understand *way* more people and languages than Latin.
You get the same benefits in terms of learning to understand alternate syntax and sentence construction by studying a language that is actually used by normal people outside of the higher ranks of the Catholic Church. You also get the benefit of being to converse with someone who isn't limited to a very small (and somewhat boring) group of very specific people. Hence, learn a different language, because it will be very helpful, but don't waste your time on Latin.
I guess my previous post was a little rude and badly explained. Sorry.
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