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Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization?
    #22541842 - 11/18/15 03:24 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I couldn't seem to find anything with the search engine about this, so I was hoping someone could help me out a bit.

I have a few pf BRF jars colonizing, it's my first batch. They are in a room that is a bit dustier that I had realized, I'm now cleaning it. I thought maybe I could rubber band some tissues on the lids and still get enough FAE, at least till I get things cleaned up better.

I know my verm barrier should be okay, but being paranoid I want to be extra safe.

Is it okay to do this? I know it may be overkill but thought it may help.

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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22541970 - 11/18/15 04:10 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

If dust is what you are afraid of you could put some foil very loose on the jars. Or place a sheet horizontally over all the jars. Tissue is not really a filter so I guess shit will still get through it. Verm barrier needs to not be disturbed to be effective so I have always used it as a failsafe rather than plan A. Tyvek would be a much better choice than tissue IMO.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22542131 - 11/18/15 04:50 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Tyvek, that's a good idea. I'll have to add that to my list of things to get for the future....that list keeps adding up lol. I'll try the foil for now though.

I have seen some posts about using quilting batting as a tyvek alternative, or poly-fil, which I have tons of for aquarium filtration.

Thanks for the reply. Being a noob makes me nervous about asking questions, especially when I'm sure I've somehow missed the answer in the search engine.

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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22542171 - 11/18/15 04:57 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You could use polyfill in a jar lid as a filter, but I find it hard to work with as it falls out sometimes. . Synthetic Filter Disks are best, but use tyvek if you cant spare the expense. Good luck!



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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22542825 - 11/18/15 06:46 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Hey,

Synthetic filter disks like this maybe?this

I also noticed RR mentioned tyvek coveralls being used for filters, I found something like it from home depot here

Actually might even be good for inoculation.

Thanks for the filter disk idea. :grin:

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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22543082 - 11/18/15 07:55 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Yes coveralls is what you need. They are said to be thicker than than the stuff you find in envelopes in the US. I don't live in the US so I only have experience with coveralls and so fr its a much better alternative to micropore tape. Jars colonise faster with it for me.

There is a tek for making SFDS with the polyfill that comes in sheets instead of random puffballs. I don't get that in my country so I am stuck with tyvek.

Be careful when buying SFDs to the pore micron rating. Theres a lot of different pores for a lot of different things. I recently found .45micron discs for a decent price but was afraid to buy them as most of the SFDs sold for shrooms are .3micron. Just this week I noticed tyvek is just 1 micron so I might give those a go. Probably gonna ask around a bit first though. Anyways if a SFD doesnt say what micron it is don't buy it. Better safe than sorry.


Polyfill SFD tek

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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22543502 - 11/18/15 09:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22543515 - 11/18/15 09:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Your verm barrier is fine....don't go trying to smother your babies.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22543610 - 11/18/15 09:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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No, SFD's like this http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=SFDI01





All three are good to work with. You might be happy spending money on trivial shit but if op has a shitload of polyfill he could skip buying those and get the same result.

So far I havent seen 1 contam related post about homemade SFDs and they are widely used.

(Edit: Maybe you can enlightened us with your vast knowledge of shit you never tried. )

Also about what loc said. You  could work with the verm barrier only. I bet a lot of people do successfully. I just like having something else and keeping dry verm as a failsafe. When considering the price of a tyvek coverall or polyfill id rather just use them.

PS. I am a contam freak so I always check my jars for contams everyday. Maybe thats why I prefer using a filter because I always end up disturbing verm layer :lmafo:

Also loc I don't think using a filter along with verm barrier hinders GE, doesn't it? Not really sure as I have never tried without a filter but they never stalled so I figured its ok.


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    #22543806 - 11/18/15 10:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22543811 - 11/18/15 10:09 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

What do you mean enlighten us with shit I never tried? You're starting to get on my nerves dude.

I was never saying you're homemade filters were useless, if you want to fuck around with Polyfill all the power to you. I was simply saying OP, that if you are looking for SFD's these are the ones, coffee filters wont work as a replacement.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Mycologist217]
    #22543838 - 11/18/15 10:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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If you are really worried about it get coffee filters and rubber bands. The cupped shaped ones...100 for 1.50$.... And as far as tyvek goes Walmart and ace hardware each sell painters coveralls made of Tyvek for like $2.50 and it's enough tyvek to do more than you will ever do probably....





This isnt true. Coffee filters won't work worth a damn as a micron filter. Use Tyvek or true SFDs, or some kind of home made stuff according to a tek...

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Coffee filters are made out of whatever synthetic filter discs are made out of in fact I use disc shaped coffee filters (also from ace hardware) any time I need a SFD.




Just no....:facepalm3: If coffee filters were just as good as SFDs why would SFDs even exist? We'd just ve using coffee filters...


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22543952 - 11/18/15 10:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I bet you didnt even read the tek. sfds are made out of polyfill or any other synthetic fibre. The only difference is that the ones you buy online are rated. If you never tried them. How can you say they dont work?

Of course I am getting on your nerves. You keep saying what is right or wrong when you never actually tried the stuff. Case in point the time you said that open air inoculations give a 90%contam rate which simply isn't true and you would have known if you actually tried it. (Also by the way you magically keep challenging my posts I would say you are still butthurt from those two times you were proved wrong.)

Try homemade SFDS and if you have bad results share it with us. Before yoy do how can someone believe what you say especially if the tek is tried tested and used widely.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22543975 - 11/18/15 10:38 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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*a friend* said:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446
Bought 10 sq yards, 30$ worth of "ezfelt"/ironed polyfill at my local fabrics store, ill probably be set for near life with this 10 sq yards, just have to cut the disks yourself :smile:




A post left just 30 minutes ago. Just to show you how widely used homemade SFDs are. If you want to see it for yourself its among the top of the last threads I posted in.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22543990 - 11/18/15 10:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

This is the PF tek, if you needed anything else other than a dry verm layer wouldn't the tek say so?  Altering teks on your first grow because you think it might work better is why so many people fail. :2cents:


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: browny]
    #22543992 - 11/18/15 10:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a few pf BRF jars colonizing, it's my first batch. They are in a room that is a bit dustier that I had realized, I'm now cleaning it. I thought maybe I could rubber band some tissues on the lids and still get enough FAE, at least till I get things cleaned up better.

I know my verm barrier should be okay, but being paranoid I want to be extra safe.




if you wanna keep stuff off your verm barrier (peace of mind is priceless, I know!)
just use micro pore tape. 1 layer. re-tape after you inoculate through it.
I take it you'rre following www.mushroomvideos.com ?

the MP tape isnt needed at all, if you simply let your jars sit undisturbed the verm barrier works perfect.
if you inspect your jars, pick 'em up, tilt them on their sides, the verm barrier gets moved and isnt as effective.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22544001 - 11/18/15 10:43 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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This is the PF tek, if you needed anything else other than a dry verm layer wouldn't the tek say so?  Altering teks on your first grow because you think it might work better is why so many people fail. :2cents:





That is very true but I always manage to disturb dry verm barrier so I make filter just in case.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22544009 - 11/18/15 10:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I was never saying you're homemade filters were useless, if you want to fuck around with Polyfill all the power to you. I was simply saying OP, that if you are looking for SFD's these are the ones, coffee filters wont work as a replacement.




dont know which one of you is saying what here but coffee filters isnt made of poly fill.

poly fill stuffed tight works as a filter in grain jars.
sfd's for pf-cakes is overkill, and you dont wanna inoculate through the sfd anyway.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22544010 - 11/18/15 10:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Remember that time people said that inhaling your own farts would get you high? I think they called it Jenkem? Yeah, I never tried that because it sounded like a bad idea.

But anyway who cares. Nobody has to listen to me on this site. I'm just giving suggestions that are tried and tested. Take my advice. Dont take it. I dont care. Its not worth all the arguing I've been doing with you Supalemonhaze. I'm not butthurt, if you don't like my advice don't take it. its as simple as that. A cultivators results speaks for itself.


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Re: Okay to cover pf jars with tissue during colonization? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22544188 - 11/18/15 11:25 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Well I would say that if someone with the experience of both of us combined times 2 and over says that homemade SFDs work you cannot compare that with your fart analogy. In your post you said

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No, SFD's like this http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=SFDI01




So you basically said they ARE worthless(so ur just squirming out of a failed comment).

Ps. I knew I won't need your advice when I noticed you tend to speak in favour/against stuff you never tried. Problem is OP here doesn't know that so everytime we end up where we are now. Do yourself and most of all newbies a favour and use the words "I think" or "I don't have experience with that but...." when talking about stuff you nevet tried. Saves them from getting bad info and saves you from looking like an idiot.

That is all. Sorry for the thread jack OP. Happy tripping.


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