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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26751872 - 06/17/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How do you know when they’re ready to harvest without the big caps? A few broke the veils so I’m figuring I should get them soon.

Have you ever noticed if the stones breaking the surface kill the mushrooms? I thought that’s what was going on but I’ve got some right on a stone that seem fine still. Idk if the stones push so much so fast it can break the myc supply line or not.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26751884 - 06/17/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Post pics

It depemds, because they dont always mature. If they mature wait till ghey start to go flat, if not i wait till they stop growing

Uneven pinsets can be a real bitch with these, basically require constant harvesting

Ive never seen a stone kill one, i guess its possible tho.  I have seen em randomly die tho. Top gets all limp


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: FiatFirmamentum]
    #26752033 - 06/17/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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By shape, it looks like stone forming on agar. Feel free to clone it.




Thanks! Anything special I need to do to clone it? Put tweezers in the PC to sterilize, use them to pick up stone, move to fresh plate?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Moopers]
    #26752079 - 06/17/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They’re not looking too hot.


I did give them a few serious mistings a couple days ago, maybe they didn’t like it. I picked a few of the obviously dead ones after the picture.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26752277 - 06/17/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Keep in mind that what we thought was P Mex Galindoi is a actually p tampanesis galindoi (according to allans recent genetic work)




You can see I do have my plates labeled PST with the T for tampanensis, because I had read on this forum that's what it was. But someone here in this very thread said var. galindoi is not tampanensis but mexicana.

I also found this in another thread about Alan's genetic work on this:
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Psilocybe atlantis = Psilocybe tampanensis
Psilocybe galindoi - ATL #7 = Psilocybe tampanensis - ATL #7
Psilocybe galindoi = Psilocybe mexicana

The underlined names are redundant and the latter names should take place.




So I guess the person correcting me before wasn't exactly wrong. Vendors aren't correcting their usage, so it's confusing. The vendor I bought this from called it "Psilocybe galindoi (galindii) var. Georgia ATL #7", so I guess I do have tampanensis after all. Yes?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Moopers]
    #26752312 - 06/17/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Technically yes. It’s a variety of it.

It’s not popular enough to have stabilized fruiting varieties so people refer to it by species. Kinda weird but I mean I guess when cult started people would just say “I’m growing cubensis”. There weren’t enough versions yet to bother with names.

So in my mind right now Tamps is basically a variety name. Like if there was a cubensis named “cubes” lol.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26752389 - 06/17/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there any reason why I could not use tamp on agar and turn it into LI? I would imagine it would act the same as cubes right?




Yep it works great, das my jam




I know what I am doing tonight!

This is so confusing!

atl7 = tamps?
galindoi = tamps?

Does that mean there is no difference between tamps and galindoi?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26752410 - 06/17/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Same as the difference between varieties of cubes.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26752432 - 06/17/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So damn near nothing? Haha. I guess that makes things simple. Albino tamp fruits would be ill. I don't think I have seen any pics of that.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26752535 - 06/17/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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They’re not looking too hot.


I did give them a few serious mistings a couple days ago, maybe they didn’t like it. I picked a few of the obviously dead ones after the picture.




Go ahead and pick the dead ones, they get flimsy at the top. Leave the firm ones

Looks too dry to me and like they arent getting enough light to fully mature

Tamps are VERY mist tolerant, they can take way more than cubes or pans


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Keep in mind that what we thought was P Mex Galindoi is a actually p tampanesis galindoi (according to allans recent genetic work)




You can see I do have my plates labeled PST with the T for tampanensis, because I had read on this forum that's what it was. But someone here in this very thread said var. galindoi is not tampanensis but mexicana.

I also found this in another thread about Alan's genetic work on this:
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RogerTheRetard said:
Psilocybe atlantis = Psilocybe tampanensis
Psilocybe galindoi - ATL #7 = Psilocybe tampanensis - ATL #7
Psilocybe galindoi = Psilocybe mexicana

The underlined names are redundant and the latter names should take place.




So I guess the person correcting me before wasn't exactly wrong. Vendors aren't correcting their usage, so it's confusing. The vendor I bought this from called it "Psilocybe galindoi (galindii) var. Georgia ATL #7", so I guess I do have tampanensis after all. Yes?




You can find plenty of people saying both ways. A few weeks ago i was repeating the prior misconception that all stone producers are mexicana, and cron pointed me to the recent genetic work on galindoi and tampanesis (it was only a few weeks old)

So yeah its complicated and shows how little we truly know. Tamps apear to be a closely related but separate species from mexicana. Galindoi was originally described as a new species,  then thought to be mexicana (along w tamps), now thought to be tampanesis.

This gets complicated further by the poor taxonomy/labeling in vendors and community. So now there have been samples of galindoi tested as both mexi and tamp.

I still make the mistake of labeling the galindoi prints ive sent out as PMG

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Is there any reason why I could not use tamp on agar and turn it into LI? I would imagine it would act the same as cubes right?




Yep it works great, das my jam




I know what I am doing tonight!

This is so confusing!

atl7 = tamps?
galindoi = tamps?

Does that mean there is no difference between tamps and galindoi?




Its a variety, like aka said. Yes very confusing lol

Lemme confuse you further so you can be as confused as i am haha:

Ive worked a lot with galindoi and tamps, and while neither resemble wild mexicana pics at all, they strongly resemble eachother, but i have noticed some differences.

IME Galindoi tends to produce stones more readily but be harder to fruit and very hard to fruit prolifically. They tend to have larger caps when mature, and drop spores readily

Tamps tend to be easier to fruit, and to fruit prolifically. Also smaller caps that are hard to get to mature, and hard to get to drop spores

This could all be anecdotal, but its different enough that i cant not notice

Galindoi:


Tamps:


And mexicana:


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26752544 - 06/17/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well shit!

I was letting them dry out Incase I soaked them too much.

Looking at the pictures I’m pretty sure I’ve got Tamps mislabeled.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26752565 - 06/17/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

did you get those from me?

I think a lot of us have tamps mislabeled haha

Its really hard to know... but at least in what ive worked with ive noticed some morphological distinctions between tamps and galindoi (which are apparently both tamps lol)

The good news for you:
Tamps/galindoi are weird, you can get better 2nd and 3rd flushes than your first. Turn up the light and fae, and mist regularly, and i bet your next flush will ne better


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26752575 - 06/17/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the first hand experience @c10h12n2o! Would love to get some hearty prints to share with the community.

Stones sound fun but I would love to get some healthy exotic prints ready to be shared. Looks like I am leveraged too much into tamps but hopefully I can do a few different approaches to spawning after stones (hopefully) start forming.

Either way it seems like we are all still understanding these genetics together :heart:

I am using your @c10h12n2o! genetics against a tamps slant I received from another state for comparison


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26752595 - 06/17/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice :smile:

It took me forever to get printable caps

The key is LIGHT and LOTS of it


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26752662 - 06/17/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So tamp and atl7 are same species different variety right?

Like PE and aa+ are the same species but look different. Cuz atl normally has much larger caps right??




Thats the current theory lol.. which makes sense to me, especially when you consider the macroscopic and microscopic differences and similarities between tamp, galindoi, and mexi


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Is there any reason why I could not use tamp on agar and turn it into LI? I would imagine it would act the same as cubes right?




Yep it works great, das my jam




What's your preferred LI container?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Izzamagic]
    #26752688 - 06/17/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As long as were on the subject if any of you have tamp prints from me its from docs wild print found in Tampa and sequenced.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26752699 - 06/17/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

These guys:



And check this out, hydroponic tamp stones and fruits (my fast/prolific fruit isolate)



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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26752749 - 06/17/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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And check this out, hydroponic tamp stones and fruits (my fast/prolific fruit isolate)






SCHweeeeeeet.

I'm assuming your going from agar? How soft do you mix it?

Do you pour from those guys or aspirate through the ship?

Yea I just found one of my blenderbottle classic lids leaked after PCing. Thank god for stir plates


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Izzamagic]
    #26752922 - 06/17/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m not sure where my prints from, I know two people sent me one at the same time and somebody mentioned it might’ve been mislabeled.

So the one fruiting now was labeled atl, the one labeled tamp is just hitting 100%. I cleaned it up first selecting for white myc hoping that means fruits. It’s so fast though, way faster than the atl moved. I thought it was moldy at first cuz it hit 90% surface colonization in like 4 days.

I just got Mexicana today to round out my collection. Swiped it this morning I’m excited for all of these. Especially the Jalisco they look so different and they’re supposed to be the Aztec ceremony ones I think. It’s awesome to be able to grow one that people have been eating for thousands of years or whatever. I know I’ll be tripping on some connection through time stuff thinking about how so many people have eaten them for so long.

Anyway :rolleyes::stoner:

You think the Tamps would do well in the pans set up? That’s my plan right now. Just maxed out air and humidity.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26752937 - 06/17/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Tamps do very well in trays in a pan setup GH.


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