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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#28551275 - 11/21/23 08:49 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: If you’re growing for stones just leave them be. If you’re trying for fruit just spawn them when they’re fully colonized. These guys have you believing your jars are completely fucked which I don’t believe to be the case. There is zero reason to open them to smell them.
i'm new to stone producers myself, should they be shaken? if they were cubes i'd shake them hard to help me know how healthy (or not) they are.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: normalperson]
#28551294 - 11/21/23 08:59 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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They can be shaken though they tend to be left undisturbed. Tamps and Mex produce different looking mycelium than cubes…they can look pretty funky. Also, if going for stones, it might not be terrible to have some bacteria in a jar (just a theory) as the sclerotia are a survival mechanism produced when conditions aren’t ideal, ie., climatic/ chemical/competition.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#28551308 - 11/21/23 09:10 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: They can be shaken though they tend to be left undisturbed. Tamps and Mex produce different looking mycelium than cubes…they can look pretty funky. Also, if going for stones, it might not be terrible to have some bacteria in a jar (just a theory) as the sclerotia are a survival mechanism produced when conditions aren’t ideal, ie., climatic/ chemical/competition.
are the jars treated differently if the grower is wanting fruits instead of stones? i can see how shaking would seem to be detrimental to stone production but is it beneficial for fruiting? I have some jars of Tamps on Wheat i have shaken a couple times and they are about ready to go on something....
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: normalperson]
#28551312 - 11/21/23 09:14 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I’d say that’s the consensus. Though, I’ve busted up and thoroughly mixed bagged subs that were colonized, moved them to tubs and they’ve generated more stones than was in them upon relocation.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: firstTIMER420] 2
#28551359 - 11/21/23 10:05 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Tamps on wheat,shaken 3 times. Last shake 7 days ago. I am wanting to fruit some tamps to collect some spore prints.does this jar look clean enough for G2G? I was thinking I would G2G two new jars and send the remaining 1/2Qrt to a shoebox. Here's a picture of the plate used to inoculate the jar
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: normalperson]
#28551435 - 11/21/23 11:13 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Looks good. Culture is a winner.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: normalperson] 1
#28551437 - 11/21/23 11:15 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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It looks clean to me and if you've shaken it as much as you say I would be surprised if it bounced back that well if it was contaminated.
But most of my growing experience comes from edibles so you may want to wait for someone more experienced to chime in. (which happened while I was babbling...)
But I would use that jar for g2g personally, especially between the shaking and it coming from agar rather than MS.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog] 5
#28551714 - 11/21/23 03:11 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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SC tampanensis on low prep RGS and oats, G2G on 10/23.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] 2
#28551915 - 11/21/23 06:25 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I have a masticating juicer I sometimes make horseradish with.
Was thinking I could pulp stones with it, and either dry like a fruit leather, or soak the mash in some very hot acidic water for ten minutes, strain through a nut milk bag, and freeze into ice cubes to save for later.
Basically I like stones but am not in love with dry stones.
Any thoughts on if the above would be an effective storage method?
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog] 1
#28551927 - 11/21/23 06:35 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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Dry, grind, and make capsules.
Or just make tea and freeze, but I’ve never tried that.
Edit: I love fresh horseradish and god damn that sounds good right now
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Pluviophile]
#28552394 - 11/22/23 04:49 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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yeah, I realized last night after I posted if I grind them wet for drying I'm going to lose potency.
I'll run some through it wet and make tea with it. And maybe see how it does as a grinder with a few dry stones.
What kind of grinders are you all using for dry stones? I remember reading years ago that they'll kill cheap coffee grinders pretty quick.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tree frog] 3
#28552437 - 11/22/23 06:10 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I’m very late to the truffle party but I’m finally here!
About 36 hours after inoculating with Tampanensis LC:


I inoculated two agar plates and one grain jar to test out the LC. If it all grows clean, I’ve got a further 11 of the small (450ml?) grain jars ready to be inoculated.
I also ran a “control” agar plate while inoculating in my SAB. It’s just a single plate from the same stack / batch of plates that has been exposed to the air in the SAB for 20 seconds (about the same time taken to inoculate). This is still clean at the moment - so fingers crossed.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Fungal-Infection] 10
#28552942 - 11/22/23 02:59 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Just back from a trip - 3g dried tamp fruits. These things are indeed quite potent. Got very alieny, really quite intense and dark at times.
Started off walking around outside and had some really beautiful vibes, the fabric of the world made of love, watching leaves fall from trees in slow motion. Then got home, dived into internal tripping, very familiar DMT jestery scapes which turned pretty gory and alien like. I was like fuck yeah give it to me.
And it did. I feel like I’ve shed my skin. Noice.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Telomere] 8
#28553731 - 11/23/23 08:59 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Wild Xico Mexicana going to grain for fruiting this weekend! So excited and the myc looks stellar ime. (pic is from last week but ill have new pics soon)
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: sleepydave] 1
#28553773 - 11/23/23 09:24 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Nice! Where’d you source the spores?
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Mycolorado] 2
#28553791 - 11/23/23 09:35 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Nice! Where’d you source the spores?
From Allen's September trip, but not from Allen himself. I have high hopes! Got some wild Xico semp and wild Texolo zap from the same guy as well as some Allenii I need to get moving.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Bra] 1
#28553796 - 11/23/23 09:36 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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GC3DTC said: I'm curious for those experienced if it's splitting hairs when it comes to choosing a favorite such as Jalisco, Rancho, Chicon Nindo, etc. within the Mexicana family. Is it similar to "a cube is a cube"? Meaning, while various differences in yield and appearances may occur, the overall experience is similar?
In my opinion, all shrooms are different and have their own spirit. Cube is not a cube, sclerotia is not a sclerotia. You should try it yourself and draw your own conclusions. Other people's conclusions and other people's experiences are often not applicable for yourself, and you need to gain your own personal experience. Each person perceives a trip differently and evaluates it based on different aspects. It's more important to find your own mushroom that suits your own criteria. The mushroom that, in your own opinion, is most beneficial for you.
I concur and agree 100%. Thank you for the reply.
Having grown plenty of cubensis "strains" from all over the globe, I came to the conclusion that through isolation and such various potencies and fruitbody variances would occur but the overall "essence" and "feel" of the experience was the same within the species. Same with Ovoids. I was just curious if it rang true with Mexicana as well, is all. It seems that it does; just environmental factors from where it resides determine whether a certain "strain" develops more sclerotia - denser or thinner fruitbodies etc. Depends what one is aiming for and, like the organism itself, is capable of providing for the proper healthy "child raising" development of their entheogen of choice. I think we're lucky to have the options available since everyone is different and their skill levels/grow areas (due to legality) may be limited.
Having just consumed Mexicana sclerotia, all I can say is WOW. And it wasn't even my usual dosage, much lower. Totally different experience from tampanensis, cubensis, or ovoids. I can see how some are off put by the metallic taste and scratchy irritant (thus preferring the carpophores) but, fortunately for me, it was a grand experience. I can't see myself desiring to consume any other species from now on. I'll happily stick with Mex A and work on isolates with that new friend/companion. My doubts have been laid to rest and worth the wait. ❤️
That being said, I have yet to partake in Semperviva and will give that an honest shot when the time comes.
I'm just looking for a "soulie" entheogen that I can spend time with cultivating and partaking occasionally. The urge for variety and having one of each species etc. Has passed for this guy. Haha
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: GC3DTC] 3
#28554647 - 11/24/23 04:54 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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I've been toying around with the idea of a non-nutritious casing layer that's easier to get stones out of then peat.
Last night I realized I could probably cut 90 shade cloth to cover grains and then cover the shade cloth with a regular 50/50 casing.
Should produce a casing I can easily lift out and the mycelium should be able to colonize up through the shade cloth.
Research I've read on morels suggests that it likes to form stones between a nutritious and non-nutritious layer. This seems similar to how Tamps behave.
So the hope is the stones will form under the shade cloth, and bulk stones would then require little more cleaning then invitro stones.
I'm going to run a few experiments on it and will report back in a month or so with results. But I'm curious if anyone has tried something similar or seen something similar I could look at.
Thanks!
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: tossed_salad]
#28555750 - 11/25/23 07:44 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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First two look the most off. I would like to second what other people have said and say wait. No harm in doing that unless you have some crazy black mold going.
Either wait for stones to form or, in some cases, liquid will pool up and generally be a telltale sign that they’ve gone poorly.
Either way, when opening, do so outside to play it safe. Good luck friend.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Mystic Merlin] 3
#28557889 - 11/27/23 12:27 AM (2 months, 6 hours ago) |
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6 days since I inoculated these with Tampanensis LC.


Compared to previous attempts from spore prints:



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