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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25342176 - 07/23/18 11:07 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Daffy3412]
    #25342178 - 07/23/18 11:09 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

But I suck at grain I can’t ever seem to get it to colonize and I didn’t wanna use wbs


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Daffy3412]
    #25342187 - 07/23/18 11:13 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

:confused: Honey water squirt? like an lc? Not a great idea to put spores straight into lc, very likely to contaminate.

You're gonna have to use a grain at some point, you aren't gonna get stones in an lc jar.

You'd have more success if you cleaned your spores on agar first. Putting spores straight to grain is riskier, but can work.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25342193 - 07/23/18 11:16 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Nah did a lc last week and then knocked up a jar of barley with that


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Daffy3412]
    #25342198 - 07/23/18 11:19 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

I did think about doing a giant quart pf cake just to see how it would turn out with oats in place of brf


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Daffy3412]
    #25342206 - 07/23/18 11:27 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

I've heard people use the pf formula for stones, but I avoided it because I didn't want to pick verm out of them later, went straight oats.

No reason grinding up oats for pf instead of brf shouldn't work. I have some jars made just like that going now. If they work fine it'll be my normal since it's cheaper.

I wouldn't try to make a quart pf cake. Pints start to get rough cause of their size, a quart would be worse. When you can't shake it like a grain jar, the bottom tends to contam out.


Shit I'm sorry, the real question was the 5 day thing. If you put lc into a barley jar, you should be seeing growth by 5 days. LC's are pretty quick to recover and colonize.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25342234 - 07/23/18 11:38 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)



Pic dump. Got these 5 qts, noc’d on 6/30 with LC. They finished up over a week ago. Want to spawn em but not sure if these are any good?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25342276 - 07/23/18 12:03 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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You should go back a couple pages and try to find the link, the species just got updated a week or so ago Sivarted.

Currently Mexicana and Tampanensis are considered 2 different species, according to Alan Rockafeller.

Galindoi, ATL7 and Tampanesis are ss of Tampanensis now.
Jalisco and A strain are SS of Mexicana


Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.




That's what I was referencing.  He said what were all growing as "galindoi" (or atl7) isnt actually galindoi.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342292 - 07/23/18 12:12 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

In his own words:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25323261#25323261

"Psilocybe galindoi is a synonym of P. mexicana, however what is being cultivated under the name P. galindoi is P. tampanensis."


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342300 - 07/23/18 12:20 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Oh Oh, If I remember right, This is because before all stone producers were consider Mexicana varieties, There was a point when Mexicana, Tampanensis, and Galindoi were thought of as species. Then they were put under Mexicana, and now finally split between mexicana and Tampanensis.

At least that's my understanding. It's changed and been re-arranged so many times, the complete picture is a little confusing to me.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 2
    #25342324 - 07/23/18 12:35 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Yes, there is a split between mexicana (from mexico) and tampanesis (from the southeast US)

Mexicana grows smaller stones, tampanesis bigger ones.

Galindoi was found in Mexico and is mexicana.  What we grow as galindoi isnt actually galindoi, its tamp.

Jalisco is mexicana, but the Mexicana A variety is probably not mexicana at all but is probably tamp as well.

Clear as mud yet?  Lol


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342332 - 07/23/18 12:39 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

That makes sense actually


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342335 - 07/23/18 12:41 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

So a galindoi sample was collected and named that was a Mexicana, but the Galindoi we all know today is a different sample that's now a tampanensis variety?

Dude I feel like my brain is gonna explode. :lol:


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Germs]
    #25342336 - 07/23/18 12:41 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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Pic dump. Got these 5 qts, noc’d on 6/30 with LC. They finished up over a week ago. Want to spawn em but not sure if these are any good?



What y’all fools think


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Germs]
    #25342340 - 07/23/18 12:44 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

What’s brewing In your jars


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342346 - 07/23/18 12:46 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Weeeee!
"A cube is a cube"
Not sure who said that first. lol I know we are not talking cubes.
But-
Now, Ps. Mexicanae is confusing us because people been growing something else under the name of mex for a while now.
Shouldn't the Atl7 be called - Ps. Tampanesis var. Atlantis #7?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25342350 - 07/23/18 12:46 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

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So a galindoi sample was collected and named that was a Mexicana, but the Galindoi we all know today is a different sample that's now a tampanensis variety?

Dude I feel like my brain is gonna explode. :lol:




It's always been a mis-labelled (or misidentified) tampanesis variety, but tampanesis had only been found once in the wild until recently, so that wasnt clear.

But yeah, that's pretty much it.  What we know as galindoi hasnt ever been galindoi at all.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342356 - 07/23/18 12:48 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

A cube is a cube because they're all actually the same species.

Tampanesis and mexicana are different species.  But yeah, atl7 is a variety of tampanesis, and so is mexicana A. (Probably.  He didnt say that definitively)

The Jalisco variety sold as mexicana is ps. mexicana though.  And, as people here have noticed, produces smaller sclerotia.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342361 - 07/23/18 12:52 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Nothing has *really* changed though.  Atl7 is still one of the most prolific stone producers.

We just havent been calling it the right species.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Sivarted]
    #25342362 - 07/23/18 12:52 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Germs - They look ok to me, but I'm still doing my first set of stones. My jars are sitting for stones, bout a week short of 2 months. Didn't mean to ignore you bro.

Solar - That's how I'm labeling mine now. P. Tampanensis var. ATL#7  and I guess the Tampanensis I got sent I'll just leave as P. Tampanesis. because adding the Var. Tampanensis seems redundant don't it?

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