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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: jomanda1990] * 4
    #27453937 - 09/02/21 06:02 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Direct seeding stones in the garden has been resulting in decent fruits, probably planted over 5 lbs of stones throughout the garden and yard. Going to be seeing if any patches survive the winter, zone 4.









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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: jomanda1990] * 9
    #27615725 - 01/12/22 12:50 AM (2 years, 16 days ago)

Starting to get past the phase of getting fruits not opening their caps. These were the first tubs to get consistency on, every tub since has maintained opening. Been digging working with galindoi




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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: TheDoobsker] * 3
    #27616623 - 01/12/22 07:53 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

I tend to get about 3-4 flushes that look just like the ones I shared. I swear them fuckers just keep putting out. I been using a 50/50 coir and horse poop, even grew some on moose poop I got and they really liked that stuff. Cased with peat. I also age every jar a minimum 4 months past full colonization before spawning, also spawn with stones included in the tub. I don't have evidence but I find if the stones are really old in the jar it seems to produce bigger flushes and faster. My guess would be the fungi putting more energy towards fruit production because stones are already well established. Absolutely drench these guys twice a day starting when I case them. I do run some cloned cultures but typically run off one transfer from spore, don't label things well so easily loose track of whats what after they've sat for a minute.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a] * 2
    #27616738 - 01/12/22 09:35 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

It depends on the day honestly, but generally 1:3 to 1:4 i'd say. Agreed harvests can be tedious as hell, but generally only the casing comes up with them and that brushes right off em, I used vermiculite in the casing once and never again cause hated getting that stuff off them.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: ReverendMyc] * 4
    #27635083 - 01/27/22 11:49 AM (2 years, 18 hours ago)

Kombucha is a great way to use stones. I'll generally throw whatever stones I get from two tubs into a gallon batch of kombucha. Very enjoyable experience. If you throw them in during first fermentation the experience becomes very much in the body and is a good nightcap, however if thrown in during second fermentation you can get knocked on your ass from a couple shot glasses worth. Stores well for over a couple months. Highly recommend trying it!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Hindsight] * 10
    #27706666 - 03/24/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I notice a similar pattern potency definitely dropping off after 3-4 flushes, I tend to stop em after 4 for that reason though they want to keep going. I swear if you let em go they could keep on for months.
Just finished fruiting some tubs with 6 month jars and went overboard on the kombucha I make with the stones. Can't even drink a full cup without ending up stuck. Just sips on this one, damn near a vinegar tincture at this point.





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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Hindsight] * 3
    #27706680 - 03/24/22 09:46 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Thanks hindsight, highly recommend kombucha if you like that kind of thing. It keeps fairly well too, have some from two months ago that’s still good and no potency loss as far as I can tell! Keeping some of those jars in the back of the fridge and testing em every other week or so to see how long it will keep, but so far so good.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Adas] * 3
    #27706798 - 03/24/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Adas, I run unmodified, just flipping the lid is enough for these guys, granted I flip the latches up on these tubs so the gap is a bit more wide. In the spring summer and fall I like to keep my window open for a bit of a draft, however it’s still close to freezing outside where I live so n out always possible, and they still thrive without the open window! I used to fan em but stopped doing that cause the passive fae from the gaps was enough. This setup works well for pans too.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Adas]
    #27706897 - 03/24/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I heavy mist once in the morning and once before bed after casing. Before casing just once in the morning.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: RiverBum] * 4
    #27709634 - 03/26/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Hey fellow midwesterner, been waiting patiently for the spring temps to rise to see if any of the galindoi spots outsides survived the winter in my yard. Last year they fruited all summer to midish fall. I buried stones all through the garden and the grass in the back yard. Ones I buried throughout the yard did well but ones in my garden beds did not, probably the grass made a difference.





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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: RiverBum]
    #27709665 - 03/26/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Thanks, I dig the pot move too might have to start doing that in the house plants! Will definitely update, if they did survive you better believe all the parks in my neighborhood going to be in for some surprises! Planted cyans last year too so hoping that gets action this year but time will tell.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #27752350 - 04/26/22 04:04 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

On the topic of harsh climates. Dug around some of the outdoor patches I had in my yard and managed to find some stones that appeared to have some mycelium poking out from them, should’ve taken photos but looked promising. For reference, winter was at its coldest -20 F if I recall hard freeze from early December till about a month ago. Stones were buried about 3in to 6in deep. Many of them had no activity though some did. Temps around here are getting more consistently warmer and last frost just around the corner. Nothing solid yet but my hopes are higher from the preemptive dig.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: MysticMycologist]
    #27823918 - 06/17/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Cooler pasteurization can work for manure and straw, I’ve been running that method for my pan and tamp subs for a couple years now to great success. Pre hydrating manure first then adding crumbled coir and finally 200F water needed to bring coir to field capacity. I let it sit for 24 hours. I’ve done it in the pasts with thermometer checks and it took a couple iterations to know my cooler but once those tests passed it works every time for me. One thing I will say though is if you go to test it test it with only coir as opening the lid rapidly decreases the temp when you check the thermometer. One test I did with manure dropped to fast after opening the lid and failed on me, though the coir tests even if they dropped we’re still fine.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: RescueU] * 7
    #27863651 - 07/15/22 11:52 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Have been taking a break from tamps as I work on other projects, finally getting some fruits in the garden however this year. Does not seem like any of the spots I seeded last year made it through our winter unfortunately. This year though I’ve decided to make a proper plot for them layering spawn, straw, and manure in some 8in trenches. Seems to be working better. Though I need to find better locations. Somehow I managed to place this one in the direct path my cat takes when chasing squirrels… at least some have survived the trampling. Hoping to see if the proper plot can have a better chance this winter. Time will tell I suppose. Regardless after years of not having a yard the last couple have been a joy learning outdoor!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: JXAllen] * 2
    #27869182 - 07/19/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I’ve encountered that a couple times with tamps. For me in every instance I saw it it was with manure based substrate I didn’t sun dry enough, and I got coprinoids that flushed a few mushrooms before being overrun by the tamps. Not going to say definitively that’s what’s going on there but it looks similar to me. I’ll also say in every case for me the tub pulled through and fruited just fine. I’d keep an eye on it as it could be as Adas says as well.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Zigzagzin] * 18
    #27926458 - 08/30/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Started some galindoi tubs and thought I’d go back and try some different approaches. I wanted to see if keeping stones in the substrate made any significant impact on the yield of fruits. I did this when I first started cultivating these some time ago but wanted to re-do the trial now that I’m more confident in my approach to fruiting, as back then all the tubs I ran with stones removed yielded very poorly in comparison to ones that had them left in the substrate. So I’ve always kept them in since then. However I’ve been seeing more folks say removing them worked better so I wanted to revisit it and see how it went for me. I ran six tubs total all from the same culture, albeit a pretty old one. Substrate was a mix of coir and horse manure all made the same. 400g dry coir and like 200g dry manure, I eyeball my manure so not exact, per tub. All mixed and pasteurized in a big batch and evenly distributed. 4 quarts spawn per tub, all spawn had been aged for 4-5 months I didn’t date them but that’s what I remember roughly, regardless all this spawn was made the same day that time ago. 3 tubs were ran with stones in the substrate, 2 ran with stones removed, and the wild card tub was ran with stones included plus the stones removed from the other two tubs, cause fuck it why not. All tubs were cased after 1ish week with peat and lime mixture. Here are the results of the first flush:
Stones kept in substrate:
Tub 1

Tub 2

Tub 3


Stones removed
Tub 1

Tub 2


Stones kept and extra added
Tub 1


Some pics were taken before many mushrooms had matured as the flushes were uneven, in those cases the ready ones were harvested and the others left until matured then harvested. Before I go into yield comparison I did notice that the tub with extra stones added was the first to pin and mature, followed by normal stones added, and finally stones removed taking the longest to pin and mature. Granted there was only like a three day spread, extra stones pinned a day later regular ones pinned and two days after that. As far as yield goes, regular stones kept in averaged 982g wet, removed stones 1049g wet, and the solitary extra stone added at 1089g wet. However the regular stones and extra stones both dried at nearly exactly 90% water netting 97g and 105g dry, while the stones removed dried at over 90% water netting 94g dry. Regardless I wouldn’t consider this spread of weights substantial enough to say one is better than the other. Though I will see if subsequent flushes sheds any light, I plan to flush them two or three times.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: THE MYCOSMITH] * 2
    #27935794 - 09/05/22 05:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

No pics this time around but second flush of the stone in/stone out test is still all hovering around the same. A little bit more variation 40 dry average for no stone, 50 average for stone in, 60 for extra stones added. That being said the extra stone barely made it through maturity before going moldy and one of the regular stones added suffered the same fate. The rest are looking good still and filling in for the third and final flush I’ll run. I’m still not convinced there is any significant impact on yield specifically with stone in vs out. However aesthetically I did noticed much more side pinning on the tubs with stone in, the one with extras added was a fucking side pin jungle while also filling out the top. I wish I would have weighed stones before spawning to see if there was extra significant growth but oh well. I think given what I’ve seen so far I’m going to be continuing stone in simply for the ease of not needing to remove them at spawning. I think I’ll see next if manure plays any additional role on yield. I’ll see if I remember.. also rip that culture, there was a clumsy handling on the culture and shattered the plate while cleaning, I kinda wanted to start fresh soon anyways.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27945454 - 09/11/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You got some boulders right there!


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: V.L]
    #27958788 - 09/20/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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V.L said:
Not impressive but this Galindoi specimen was really spiraling DNA helix like:





Did that fruit come direct from a stone? I’ve been noticing in my tubs the fruits that are directly connected to stones  tend to be like that, also often much larger and “gnarly” than the ones coming from substrate. Just curious if others notice that too.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW] * 2
    #28011377 - 10/22/22 08:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I find 3-5 month old spawn jars to be the sweet spot for spawning to bulk, earlier than that and I find they take longer to pin, longer tends to be fine too but I don’t notice any benefit. Inside the sweet zone they pin like a day after casing for me and fill in very nicely, just my two cents


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