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Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek 11
#22524362 - 11/14/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will mainly cover pure feed grains and not WBS as pure grains are much easier to dial in than seed blends, they are also typically cheaper than WBS. Another advantage to feed grains is they are usually cleaner than WBS and do not require to be rinsed. Some people soak and simmer some people simmer and no soak. Some people measure water and grains and PC with no soak or simmer. This will cover the soak no simmer method which I have found to use the least labor and is more foolproof. I personally do not like simmering because its energy spent heating up all that grain and water and time spent watching it simmer and stirring. Also it's much easier to handle the cold soaked grains vs boiling hot grains. If you do break some shells open after PC'ing its ok. Use it as you would just next time reduce the soak time/temp.
I like to fill my jars as much as possible, takes a bit longer to shake but gives me a higher spawn rate without doing a second batch. If you want more room to shake reduce the amount per jar by a few grams. For GTG i add slightly less grain than for agar transfers.
Here is an overview on different grains and preparation
Wheat $12 50 lbs Soak 16-24 hours 300g per quart jar for 80% full This stuff shrinks once pressure cooked so fill the jars a little extra. Also this has a thin shell with a split down the center. It will not crack open like millet or milo which are more like solid balls that explode
Brown Rice $ 50 lbs Soak g per quart jar for 80% full
Oat $10-15 50 lbs 16-24 hr Soak 240g per quart jar for 80% full Oat swells considerably more than other grains when soaked, leave a lot of extra water above the grain for it to absorb.
Rye Soak G per quart jar for 80% full
Milo (sorghum) $10-13 50 lbs 8-18 hour soak 340G per quart jar for 80% full This will expand once pressure cooked; look out for exploded seeds to see if you need to adjust soak time
White Millet $20-25 50 lbs Soak 4-8 hours 350g per jar This is a nice master jar because the seeds are so small therefore increasing inoculation points. This is extremely susceptible to being over soaked and will explode and clump easily. I typically see exploded seeds at the top so I will add a teaspoon of unmixed gypsum on top to absorb some moisture. This will expand once pressure cooked; look out for exploded seeds to see if you need to adjust soak time.
Red millet $24 50 lbs Soak g per quart jar for 80% full??? This is a nice spawn because the seeds are so small therefore increasing inoculation points, red millet is smaller than white millet. This is extremely susceptible to being over soaked and will explode and clump easily. I typically see exploded seeds at the top so I will add a teaspoon of unmixed gypsum on top to absorb some moisture. This will expand once pressure cooked; look out for exploded seeds to see if you need to adjust soak time.
First I line a drilled out pail with a 5 gal paint strainer I purchase at my local home improvement store for $3-4 a 2 pack. This goes inside a pail with no holes. I weigh out my grains before soaking; this eliminates excess or insufficient grain for the run I’m doing. In the event I’m dialing in a new grain and have surplus ill fill jar(s) and place them into the freezer for future use or run them in my smaller presto PC if there's enough. Then i'll calculate how much to weigh out next time for a perfect fill and no waste. I store the funnel and measuring cup which happens to be a magic bullet cup inside the pails when not in use. This helps keep everything together and less likely to walk away on me.


I then fill the pail with enough water to submerge the grain under 4-6” of water. It will expand so give it some head room. Let it soak for the prescribed time. A lower or higher water or ambient temperature will affect soak time so take this into account. If I’m in a rush I sometimes place the grains outside with a lid on top of my A/C condenser or in the sun for more heat. Placing the lid on top eliminates evaporation and greatly increases temperature.

I toss the tools back in the pail to keep everything together.

After the soak i slowly pull the pail.

Place it crooked on top of the pail to drain

Now ill get the jars ready, count out however many jars your filling and get all the lids off. I store all my jars with the lids on and dirty. I never clean my jars or lids unless they had a contam in them.

Take all the lids off and place them into a pile.

Now ill go back to the grain and swap it to another dry pail and move to my workspace to load. Scoop and level each cup.

Fill each jar and move the funnel from jar to jar.

When i get to the bottom ill (sometimes) add a cup or two of dry spent coffee grounds to soak up excess moisture at the bottom of the pail and fill the last few jars. If you have a small amount of excess split it up into a few of the less filled jars.

Put the lids on and PC for 60-90 min @15 psi. I don't bother with foil anymore.

Dump the waste water down the sink or even better in the garden. It can also be used for LC or Agar water. Put all the pails and tools back into storage, I don't even bother rinsing.
Edited by Gr0wer (01/25/16 12:51 AM)
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Re: Grain Prep Consolidated Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22526226 - 11/15/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22767568 - 01/11/16 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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updated, plan to finish this one up tomorrow. Still need to try Rye and brown rice.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22768547 - 01/12/16 01:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the post  Have u already tested if u can use your soak water also as LC or for agar? Of course diluted. I know and use the grain water from my oats after simmering, but don't know how good it would work with just a soak.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22768989 - 01/12/16 07:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im sure theres tons of nutrients in the water, its dark brown and a thick viscosity. Good idea though, increases the variety of nutrients. I can give it a shot although im not a huge fan of LC's. How much do you dilute by?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22769127 - 01/12/16 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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for agar I use 3 parts water and 1 part grain water. for LC the same, but I will try to filter out the sediments in the water so you have a cleaner LC 4 parts water and 1 part grain water should also be fine, so you can see a bit through it and it doesn't become to dark there is also a tek from Hamloaf out there, check it out Welcome To The HLC! (Hamloaf Liquid CULTURE!)
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22769151 - 01/12/16 08:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is an awesome thread!
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: dhype773]
#22769184 - 01/12/16 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes I already used grainwater for agar and LC before the thread existed but I was happy to see that some of our experts also used the same tek
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22769199 - 01/12/16 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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At this point I'm using straight whole oat steep gypsum water with a pinch of sugar added at 500ml to 9g agar to make plates, sometimes I throw a few wood pellets into the boil. The plates this makes are pretty dark. I haven't been doing plates this undiluted/dark for very long but they seem to be working fine.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: vvHeavyvv]
#22826422 - 01/26/16 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've not had luck doing the soak/no simmer method before. i'll try again using your tek here. after pc'ing, i have gotten a lot of wet grains in the bottom of the jar and dry grains on top. did you not get that result?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#22826450 - 01/26/16 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shake it. If you grains are over soaked reduce your soak time or temp.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22835878 - 01/28/16 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you don't add any additional water to the jars at all? just soak, fill, and pc? interesting. giving this a try tomorrow....
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#22835944 - 01/28/16 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea soak for the prescribed time then drain for 5 or so minutes while your prep your jars/bags and workspace.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#22838191 - 01/29/16 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: i've not had luck doing the soak/no simmer method before. i'll try again using your tek here. after pc'ing, i have gotten a lot of wet grains in the bottom of the jar and dry grains on top. did you not get that result?
This has been my result when I have tried this as well. Burst grains on bottom, dry grains on top. Maybe I am doing something different though..
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#22838270 - 01/29/16 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the grains are still damp to the touch after adding the spent dry coffee grains?
I'm assuming the grains fully hydrate while being cooked.
Have you tried this with spawn bags yet?
I ask since spawn bags tend to be more finicky when comes to moisture. They tend to need to be on the dryer side
Edited by vatman (01/29/16 12:41 PM)
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: vatman]
#22839264 - 01/29/16 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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here goes 'nothin....8 quarts and 3 pints into the autoclave
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#22839437 - 01/29/16 05:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: i've not had luck doing the soak/no simmer method before. i'll try again using your tek here. after pc'ing, i have gotten a lot of wet grains in the bottom of the jar and dry grains on top. did you not get that result?
This has been my result when I have tried this as well. Burst grains on bottom, dry grains on top. Maybe I am doing something different though..
Oversoak. Milo does this often. Oats i have found to be the most forgiving. Either way id much rather oversoak than undersoak. A few busted seeds never changed my contamination rate, little to none.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: vatman]
#22839443 - 01/29/16 05:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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vatman said: So the grains are still damp to the touch after adding the spent dry coffee grains?
I'm assuming the grains fully hydrate while being cooked.
Have you tried this with spawn bags yet?
I ask since spawn bags tend to be more finicky when comes to moisture. They tend to need to be on the dryer side
Yea the dry coffee grounds are just for the last few jars. Everything is still wet but they soak up extra.
I haven't tried spawn bags yet.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22839962 - 01/29/16 08:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will be interesting to see. I'll give it a shot in a few weeks. I'd probably add an extra cup of dry coffee
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: vatman]
#22842681 - 01/30/16 02:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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test went well...i used a mix of unhulled oats and wheat about 50/50, with some little weed seeds (wild mustard, i think) mixed in. everything was adequately hydrated and only a few explosions. the dry weight per jar measurements were a little off due to my unusual mix. i will only measure out 200g per jar next time, instead of 250g. otherwise, you have my stamp of approval. thanks, gr0wer. you've made grain prep a little bit less painful for me 
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#22842825 - 01/30/16 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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THanks! I find this to be the least labor intensive and relatively foolproof. Im glad to hear its working for others.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22862921 - 02/04/16 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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used some oats yesterday. just let it soak for about 24hours probably a few hours more. gave them a shower afterwards because I hadn't before and they are really dirty  inoculated some jars with these oats today with some LC, will post the results but the oats look fine so far, so I think the additional boiling/simmering step isn't really neccessary, saves a lot of time and energy
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22915240 - 02/17/16 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so, my inoculated grain jars are not colonizing well. i'm going to do a side by side with my old technique (soak and simmer) alongside this technique with a longer soak time. i think they're a bit dry. will keep this thread updated on the results
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#22916730 - 02/17/16 06:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also tried this alongside a no soak batch that was boiled for 7 mins (kinda like making pasta) this second method was discussed HERE
I only made a few jars of each and think it is just beginning to leap off from wedges.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#22920265 - 02/18/16 04:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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leschampignons said: I also tried this alongside a no soak batch that was boiled for 7 mins (kinda like making pasta) this second method was discussed HERE
I only made a few jars of each and think it is just beginning to leap off from wedges.
i'd like to hear about how that works out
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
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leschampignons said: I also tried this alongside a no soak batch that was boiled for 7 mins (kinda like making pasta) this second method was discussed HERE
I only made a few jars of each and think it is just beginning to leap off from wedges.
glad to hear people are giving this a try. I swear by it. Best advice is its always better to over soak a bit then under soak. A few burst seeds never hurt anyone. What grains are you using and how long of a soak did you do?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22924377 - 02/19/16 07:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Feed quality wheat. I think I soaked for about 20 hours. The one I boiled for 7 mins had more burst grains than the soak one. It's not clear which is growing faster because I didn't inoculate them on the same day. So much for the scientific side by side approach lol.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#22926629 - 02/20/16 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it extremely hard doing mushroom production and experiments at the same time. Oats and wheat are my favorite they are more forgiving on oversoaks.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22926667 - 02/20/16 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great thread! Thanks for putting the time into throwing this up on shroomery
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Scorpion1127]
#22928493 - 02/20/16 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was using unhulled oats mixed with feed quality wheat, but just bought some cover crop rye seed at only 50 cents a lb. giving it a try tomorrow
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22930970 - 02/21/16 05:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Grower, Do you have the plans for your sterilizer on Youtube? How well did the chiller work? I just sold all of my Brew equipment, and the 2 wort chillers, but you seem to be just using tap water for your chiller.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22931023 - 02/21/16 05:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I find it extremely hard doing mushroom production and experiments at the same time. Oats and wheat are my favorite they are more forgiving on oversoaks.
I'm loving the oats right now. Boil, drain, bag and PC. I can get through 24lb a day easy. And the BO love it, colonizes a 6lb bag in 3 days!
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: OldYamaha]
#22931403 - 02/21/16 07:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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OldYamaha said: Hey Grower, Do you have the plans for your sterilizer on Youtube? How well did the chiller work? I just sold all of my Brew equipment, and the 2 wort chillers, but you seem to be just using tap water for your chiller.
Ive been swamped lately. I did manage to get the automated pasteruizer video up, shortly before a meltdown. I'll throw a steamer video up maybe this week when i do my 2nd batch. I have a 25 bag batch steaming right now, 1/2 brewers grain 1/2 bran. I actually just started to pre seal my bags since i think i was getting contams on the cool down and transfer to my garage. Im using forced air for chilling, not water. To chill i drain the water at the bottom then hook up the fan hose to the drain hole. The chiller is a squirrel cage fan blowing into a 5 gal pail then a 3/4 hose with camlock on the end to lock onto the camlock drain port on the drum.
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Gr0wer said: I find it extremely hard doing mushroom production and experiments at the same time. Oats and wheat are my favorite they are more forgiving on oversoaks.
I'm loving the oats right now. Boil, drain, bag and PC. I can get through 24lb a day easy. And the BO love it, colonizes a 6lb bag in 3 days!
3 damn days? really awesome. do you do g2g or use LC? when using LC, how much cc do you use? my LC (G. Resinaceum) need 3 to 4 days to just recover
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
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Abshroom said: 3 damn days? really awesome. do you do g2g or use LC? when using LC, how much cc do you use? my LC (G. Resinaceum) need 3 to 4 days to just recover 
3cc LC -> 2lb Grain Jar -{wait 2 week}-> 6lb grain bag
After the making the first 8lb grain bag from LC I can colonize 4 more 6lb bags in 3 days. Rinse, repeat every couple days until you have to buy more fridges to hold all the spawn Course the blue oyster strain I have has become more and more aggressive the longer its been in LC.
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Well, no wonder it colonises so quickly with a spawn rate that high...
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3cc LC -> 2lb Grain Jar -{wait 2 week}-> 6lb grain bag
After the making the first 8lb grain bag from LC I can colonize 4 more 6lb bags in 3 days. Rinse, repeat every couple days until you have to buy more fridges to hold all the spawn Course the blue oyster strain I have has become more and more aggressive the longer its been in LC.
ah so you are using 2lb grain on a 6lb grain bag? yeah okay, that is one quarter of the total volume, no wonder it colonizes so quickly have ya thought about using LC directly to your 6lb grain bag? or using just 1lb grain jar or so, so you can inoculate way more bags with it? it will need a bit longer to colonize, but I think even one week would be okay.
I currently have 2 bags with each ~4L prepped oats (~2.1L dry) colonzing inoculated with 25cc LC (G. Resinaceum). I inoculated 5 days ago and they aren't ready yet, but I think they will be faster than 2 weeks + 3 days and it is one transfer/contamn vector less and also less work. But I think that is personal preference. Since I used selfmade spawn bags, LC is the only way to go for me, because you can't really open the bag, also I only have an SAB and working with bags in an SAB, especially doing g2g, is a hassle :P
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22934197 - 02/22/16 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use one 13 oz grain jar to inoculate 10-21 jars typically. Especially with millet master spawn, one teaspoon has like 300 grains.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
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Abshroom said: ah so you are using 2lb grain on a 6lb grain bag? yeah okay, that is one quarter of the total volume, no wonder it colonizes so quickly have ya thought about using LC directly to your 6lb grain bag? or using just 1lb grain jar or so, so you can inoculate way more bags with it? it will need a bit longer to colonize, but I think even one week would be okay.
I used to think that using only a little made sense and was very frugal; I was totally wrong. I lost so many bags to contams that even with my near 100% success in the last few months I still haven't made up for it. I'm not losing any grain when using a larger amount per bag, in fact I'm losing less since they never get contaminated. Don't spare the LC, get a massive needle and inject as much as you can, and when you start to run low, inject half of what's left into two more LC jars. I've got 60cc syringes coming from China and when they arrive every grain master jar is getting at least the full amount! Good luck!
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Do you cook your grains less when they are getting that much lc?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
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I am not entirely sure if brown rice behaves the same like white rice, but I tested white rice with soak only and have to say, that is took almost no water (let it sit for 3 or 4 days)... so with (white) rice I would say that the soak no simmer method won't work
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
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Gr0wer said: Do you cook your grains less when they are getting that much lc?
The oats a fairly dry after 120mins in the PC so any added moisture is probably a good thing
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Abshroom]
#22942578 - 02/24/16 08:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Abshroom said: I am not entirely sure if brown rice behaves the same like white rice, but I tested white rice with soak only and have to say, that is took almost no water (let it sit for 3 or 4 days)... so with (white) rice I would say that the soak no simmer method won't work
Thanks for the input. I still need to try the brown rice, id immagine it would react slightly different than white. A 3-4 day soak sounds waaaaaayyy too much for any grain. Even wheat and oats get over soaked and sticky after 24+ hours.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#22979763 - 03/06/16 03:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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did a longer soak time (30 H) with the rye seed and still experiencing the grain being too dry. perhaps you live in a more humid climate, gro0wer? it would be great if this worked because simmering is a pita, but it doesn't seem to be. has this worked for anyone else?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#23145297 - 04/22/16 06:54 PM (8 years, 28 days ago) |
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This worked decently for me with feed quality wheat @ 20hrs soaking. I am soaking right now to repeat. I have never been able to get a good grain tek down, and this still colonizes slightly slower than I would like but it seems to work with minimal work. the very top (maybe 1/2cm or less) was slightly drier and more thinly colonized but no major differences between the top and bottom of each jar
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#23145975 - 04/23/16 12:00 AM (8 years, 28 days ago) |
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I haven't tried rye. I know wheat and oat take about 24 hours and are tolerant to oversoaking. I can't see why rye wouldn't be around the same. How long are your draining for? I only allow a few minutes to drip out before jaring or bagging.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#23148025 - 04/23/16 06:24 PM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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just pc'd them. I went until they stopped dripping which was a few mins. maybe 7 or so. Putting the strainer crooked seems to help a lot to get excess water off. They still looked too wet to me so I threw em on a towel (I didn't pat em down though) which helped get some water off. They went into jars still a bit wet on the surface.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#23148757 - 04/23/16 10:42 PM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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I know a grower that soaks 48hrs in hydrated lime water he says it works well.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: drake89]
#23150877 - 04/24/16 05:39 PM (8 years, 26 days ago) |
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lime prolly keep the yeast down. I know past 24 hours you get fermentation.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#23151122 - 04/24/16 06:44 PM (8 years, 26 days ago) |
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Took them out of the PC this morning and I did see a significant differnce between the hydration of the grains at the very bottom of the jar and the rest. Those at the bottom look more plump and hydrated. I will inoc tonight.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: leschampignons]
#23304959 - 06/03/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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how did it work for you, les? i have tried three times with no luck. it colonizes too slowly and contams. i might try adding lime next time, that might be the clincher....
did my normal soak then simmer with this rye grain and it worked great...
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#23308393 - 06/04/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've tried them out like this for the last two cycles and my current one. I did simmer soak before this. I have to say I haven't noced a difference other than : better to simmer for WBS as its dirty and a bunch of garbage, simmer is better for quick steam drying, soak is better for oats (less burst grains). As far as production nothing that has caught my eye.
I need to better. Damnit.
Not trying to go against Gr0wer at all just sharing what I've noticed.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#23310211 - 06/05/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am abroad at the moment but this seemed to work out well for me. I think I did like 5 or 6 quarts of feed quality wheat with this technique and they all worked fine. I agree colonization is still slower than it should be though. The ones I boiled for a set amount of time (5 or 7 mins) contammed, but not with bacteria. Not sure if it was just shitty sterile technique though. I am almost done building a flow hood so when I get back i'll fire it up and do a real side by side with a few different methods.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: knomadic_niki]
#23310567 - 06/05/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: how did it work for you, les? i have tried three times with no luck. it colonizes too slowly and contams. i might try adding lime next time, that might be the clincher....
did my normal soak then simmer with this rye grain and it worked great...
If your having contam issues its not due to the soak, its your sterilization cycle or sterile tek. I make about 40-80 lbs of spawn a month using a 24hrs for oat or 12hrs soak for milo and everything turns out fine.
Another pointer is especially for milo, soak and load then let them sit for another day. It seems to hydrate the seed and shell a bit more and the burst rate is lower. Also i think i mentioned it before but blending milo, oat, and millet greatly lowers the burst rate of the milo and millet. Im guessing the oats absorb the extra moisture better off the milo and millet. Making a blend like that increases the weight and inoculation points in the same volume of spawn.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
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Gr0wer said: Also i think i mentioned it before but blending milo, oat, and millet greatly lowers the burst rate of the milo and millet. Im guessing the oats absorb the extra moisture better off the milo and millet. Making a blend like that increases the weight and inoculation points in the same volume of spawn.
Good to know!
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: TravelAgency]
#23310736 - 06/05/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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- 26 lbs (dry) feed oats - 24 hour soak - loaded 9X 4.6 lb L unicorn grow bags bags - loaded and PC'd 230min on automated AA941 with hotplate and PID - GTG'd ~.5-1 lbs per bag amycel 3015
27 hours later

66 hours after G2G
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
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230 minutes?!?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: TravelAgency]
#23311029 - 06/05/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, my last batch has some contams so i bumped it from 200 to 230. I think it was from the bad master spawn but i figured play it safe.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: Gr0wer]
#23312197 - 06/05/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn. I've never run a PC cycle that long. I had a couple endospores contams on my last run but most runs are 100% at 90 minutes at 15psi in my AA921.
How much water do you have for a run that long?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek Draft [Re: TravelAgency]
#23312283 - 06/05/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just to clarify, im doing 42 lbs of grain in bags in a AA941 with a 1500W hotplate. I use 3/4" of water at the bottom and still have 1/4"+ when im done. The heat comes on real slow. I run my jars for 100 min.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: Gr0wer]
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First I line a drilled out pail with a 5 gal paint strainer I purchase at my local home improvement store for $3-4 a 2 pack. This goes inside a pail with no holes. I weigh out my grains before soaking; this eliminates excess or insufficient grain for the run I’m doing. In the event I’m dialing in a new grain and have surplus ill fill jar(s) and place them into the freezer for future use or run them in my smaller presto PC if there's enough. Then i'll calculate how much to weigh out next time for a perfect fill and no waste. I store the funnel and measuring cup which happens to be a magic bullet cup inside the pails when not in use. This helps keep everything together and less likely to walk away on me.
Dump the waste water down the sink or even better in the garden. It can also be used for LC or Agar water. Put all the pails and tools back into storage, I don't even bother rinsing.
Grower, can the soak water be used as hydrating water for saw dust pellets?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: OldYamaha]
#23716344 - 10/07/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That has already been mentioned and is common in the actives section, sterilize it first.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23716630 - 10/07/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can use it to hydrate sawdust or even as a LC. You want to sterilize the sawdust bags as normal, after hydration and baggging.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: Gr0wer]
#23717960 - 10/07/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you both. I did search, and if it is in there, I didn't use the proper search words. GroWer, I now have my parts to make a 55 gal drum sterilizer, thanks for the directions.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: OldYamaha]
#23720767 - 10/08/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good write up Grower...appreciate it very much. 5 shrooms to you my good sir
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#23954484 - 12/24/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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fyi, when searching, i find it's better to use google or startpage with "shroomery" and the "search parameters". it works much better than the shroomery's search engine
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Good write up Grower...appreciate it very much. 5 shrooms to you my good sir
thanks man. I'm currently using 15 lbs oats 15 lbs milo 10 lbs white millet 20 hour soak @ 70F. Gives me a really dense spawn with the different grain sizes. That mix gives me 9 bags around 6.5 lbs.
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: Gr0wer]
#23955735 - 12/25/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats some nice variation there Gr0wer, do you notice better BE or faster growth than say just one type of grain?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: Ferather]
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Thank you so much for this.. So happy to be done with throwing away extra grains or being short
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: keifnnugs]
#23969211 - 12/30/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gr0wer do you ever soak with gypsum?
Wondering if you use hot water to disolve the gypsum and then add the grains.. The time will change due to the the hot water Or you can add grains once the waters cool and stick to the times you laid out
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: keifnnugs]
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Thank you for the info - will give it a try. It would be nice to not have to simmer & strain so much grain!
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: BlackTusk]
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Good stuff; will give it a shot and see if I can stop feeding my millet to the birds!
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: SnowArcher]
#24156376 - 03/12/17 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found that rye is much harder than wheat and oats, that may be why I'm not getting adequate absorption when soaking. I recently secured a good source for cheap feed-quality wheat and I'm doing this tek today. I expect it will work just fine and I will have no problem sourcing this grain consistently. I'm looking forward to locking down a grain prep method and sticking to it, instead of having to experiment every time I get a different type of grain. Grain prep is my least favorite part. Do y'all find that LC takes off a lot faster than agar xfer?
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Re: Consolidated Grain Soak Prep Tek [Re: knomadic_niki]
#24156684 - 03/12/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find agar xfers more reliable, however I do occasionaly like using an LI but moisture content needs to be spot on for LI/LC to take off well. I like this method and have been using it for quite a while but I have recently gotten a ton of milo that will not hydrate for shit with soaking so I have to get a boil on it to get the right content. It takes some playing around with the exact grain you are using to know what is working best and then trying your damnedest to streamline that method for yourself. Grain days are not my favorite as well, but making a routine and learning to enjoy it makes it better.
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