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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #22521617 - 11/14/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, that's a good point.  Do you really believe all these guys in charge of ISIL, for example, are really religious?  I mean they talk the game, but these are some pretty cynical people.  Is there any chance religion is just a front for these higher-up guys?  I have trouble believing they're not full of shit.


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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22521624 - 11/14/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you really believe all these guys in charge of ISIL, for example, are really religious?




Absolutely.  They are not playing a secular political game like we are used to in the west.  They absolutely believe they are doing god's will and winning their god's favor by doing what they do.  Secular political posturing and attacking is not so self destructive.

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    #22521628 - 11/14/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie]
    #22521636 - 11/14/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In any case, we're going to be dealing with this bullshit for decades to come.  I just dread the day another attack happens in the US, all fucking hell is going to break loose.  Matter of when, not if.


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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: White Beard]
    #22521638 - 11/14/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What do attacks against unarmed civilians in France further their political goals of establishing a Caliphate in the Levant? If anything, it'll bring more bombing strikes against them.




Exactly.  This is not the realpolitik/machiavellianism that we expect in the west.  This is a sacrifice of the earthly life for the glory of their god and rewards in the afterlife.  This is faith.

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    #22521647 - 11/14/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: White Beard]
    #22521691 - 11/14/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, yeah, well, the US was fucking boneheaded in Iraq.  We could have utilized most of the high-ranking officers from Saddam's military, they were there.  Instead we ignored them and drove them all off, basically told them fuck you, and now they make up ISIL's leadership.  All we had to do was offer an olive branch, and now they're attacking us, given what subsequently went on in Iraq.  The US has a nasty habit of making friends and enemies of the same individuals at different times.


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    #22521712 - 11/14/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22521716 - 11/14/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There is truth to that insinuation, but its not the whole story.  The Islamic State is very much born out of the Arab Spring, a popular movement of the people.  The naivety of the west assumed that with a popular uprising there would necessarily be a more open, tolerant society.  In fact the opposite is true.  When left to their own devices the people choose to have more oppression and violence than the western styled dictators and strong men that ruled over them.  The notion that if we offered them an olive branch they would be docile, forgiving and tolerant is ridiculous.

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie]
    #22521736 - 11/14/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yes, what you say is quite true.  I only meant an olive branch toward those generals and colonels of Saddam's army.  We could have taken them in and instituted them somehow in a new Iraq, in a constructive way rather than just letting them slip away to the extremists.  Of course, as you say, with the Arab spring that may not have been a relevant possibility.  And, of course, with subsequent developments in Iraq the US certainly made a mess of things, anyway.


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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: White Beard]
    #22524239 - 11/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At least the Parisians are holding hands and lighting candles. That should slow down future attacks and put fear into the Muzzies.


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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: White Beard]
    #22524366 - 11/14/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Even though I think Syrians tend to be more secular and better educated than most muslims and have a good chance of integrating, the overall prospect is still pretty bad.  Islamic bullshit will probably lead to another ethnic cleansing or the end of European culture.




a lot of the migrants arent even syrian. it really seems like european culture is doomed :frown:




do you think this might be for a future war?  do we not need to hate Islam, for the survival of the white race?

start @ 9mins4secs


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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: Hobozen]
    #22524403 - 11/14/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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do we not need to hate Islam, for the survival of the white race?





No, that is ridiculous... Plenty of Muslims are white.  They are generally trash too.  We need to hate Islam for the survival of secular humanism, womans and minority's rights and peace prospects.

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie]
    #22524477 - 11/14/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

start at 15:52

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seems like it's part of it

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: Hobozen]
    #22524501 - 11/14/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"and your daughter will marry a bearded man"

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: Hobozen]
    #22524513 - 11/14/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not watching your video.  The idea of European culture being "doomed" is not based on your video and it does not entail some kind of racial strife like you implied.  Its a conflict of civilizations, not race.

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie]
    #22524539 - 11/14/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its a conflict of civilizations, not race.




racism is an extension of that, and it's real man.  bearded men want our white women.  watch the video.

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: Hobozen]
    #22524574 - 11/14/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not watching your video.  I have a beard and a white woman.  I do not define my culture and civilization on race.  I define it on values, ethics and way of life.

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Re: Paris Attacks [Re: DieCommie]
    #22524582 - 11/14/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

By beard, they meant brown.  Especially the extremists.

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