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How To Trip Without Going Insane?
    #22507434 - 11/10/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Literally every mushroom trip I've ever done has drove me insane. I literally lose my shit and just want to hug someone for 5 hours until it wears off. I am reduced to  the mentality of a needy child. I'm sure it's the shrooms trying to tell me something

How can I trip without this happening? I read all these amazing stories about out of body experiences, talking to aliens, going to other universes, etc

The shrooms i have are extremely potent. It only takes me maybe 3 grams to go nuts. I kind of want to do between 5 and 6, but I don't wanna end up going totally nuts like the last time and destroying food all over my kitchen in front of my friends.

any advice? I usually trip in a quiet secluded  town in the country so setting isn't an issue.

I do not take any medications and my diet is really clean.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507445 - 11/10/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eat less. Become comfortable with a lower dose and move up as you feel more comfortable with it. There is no sense rushing into eating 5-6 grams when you already cannot handle 3. That is just asking for trouble.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: HappyNoob]
    #22507450 - 11/10/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



I feel now that Im mentally prepared for the feeling of being a super needy child, I can handle it and just ride it out. What i want are visuals and other cool things to happen without the insanity at the same time. I want to learn from the universe

Maybe the higher dose will cancel it out? I almost feel Im doing too little and just not getting past the crazy state.

Kind of like making a  stop in a shit town when maybe if i just drive another 50 miles I'll be in vegas or something


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507457 - 11/10/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Is your life pretty stable at the moment? I hear stress can be a big factor in bad trips or depreasion.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: Sade]
    #22507461 - 11/10/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Is your life pretty stable at the moment? I hear stress can be a big factor in bad trips or depreasion.





Stable? I'm not depressed and have no serious issues going on in my life.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507485 - 11/10/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Are you normally very extroverted?


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507487 - 11/10/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Embrace the insanity its really the only way. I go insane every time to but I love it insanity it the reason I do what I do. Once you love losing your mind you can eat any dose of any compound literally nothing I do is fun anymore. Its gotten to the point I don't even need to eat them I already know exactly whats going to happen. But I stopped caring I was losing my mind and no only permanent insanity scares me no dose will ever frighten me as long as I come back hell I would love a dose that scares the living shit out of me these days nothing dose. I envy you but don't do to many or you will end up like me I spent my whole life doing these things and now I just get sad. Every time I lose my ego I see myself die and its happening more and more.
As I get older death gets closer the mushrooms have been a journey through life for me and now im sad because like life they get old and predictable. Save thouse high doses till your an old man trust me you won't regret it.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #22507493 - 11/10/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you normally very extroverted?





Not a huge fan of people, and fairly introverted. Spend a lot of time alone or with maybe 1-2 people max.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: FaceMelt]
    #22507506 - 11/10/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Embrace the insanity its really the only way. I go insane every time to but I love it insanity it the reason I do what I do. Once you love losing your mind you can eat any dose of any compound literally nothing I do is fun anymore. Its gotten to the point I don't even need to eat them I already know exactly whats going to happen. But I stopped caring I was losing my mind and no only permanent insanity scares me no dose will ever frighten me as long as I come back hell I would love a dose that scares the living shit out of me these days nothing dose. I envy you but don't do to many or you will end up like me I spent my whole life doing these things and now I just get sad. Every time I lose my ego I see myself die and its happening more and more.
As I get older death gets closer the mushrooms have been a journey through life for me and now im sad because like life they get old and predictable. Save thouse high doses till your an old man trust me you won't regret it.





Yeah that was my thoughts. Last time I did them a couple months ago I just kept thinking they had poisoned me and I was totally unprepared. Thought worms were eating my brain, kept asking my friend to get my wife or call 911.

It was ridiculous. I had no mental prep and didn't remember that shrooms are harmless.

I think the next time I will be ready to embrace it all and chill out a bit. Maybe I'll do a low 4gram ish dose and see how it goes.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507518 - 11/10/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you normally very extroverted?





Not a huge fan of people, and fairly introverted. Spend a lot of time alone or with maybe 1-2 people max.



Hmm. You should be able to do high doses alone but I would wait until you are more comfortable with lower doses first. Facemelt is right. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the madness kind of ceases to be madness when you embrace it. You literally need to let go into the madness. Don't try to fight it or pretend it isn't there. Tell yourself you are gonna go nuts and that you will love it. Have fun with the madness.

When you master that, then if you want ego death do what Terence McKenna recommends on the matter. Take such a high dose that you literally are cornered into accepting ego dissolution. The fact of the matter is, as long as you can handle your shit (not do anything stupid or dangerous while tripping), then you can just increase the dose to a stupid level in order to bring ego death upon yourself. You will think you're dying or something similar, but you need to embrace that too (reminding yourself that you won't literally die, and that you don't need your old model in order to function).


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507524 - 11/10/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Evolution takes time....


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507529 - 11/10/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

4 grams is a great dose try watching a nice movie before the peak I suggest WALL-E its a great time. When the movie ends just turn off the lights and ride the night out I found myself using the bathroom every 15 minutes and got stuck on the floor for a good while. Its an intense trip but not to bad it will definitely give crazy visuals though and the ego death is sublime.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #22507540 - 11/10/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you normally very extroverted?





Not a huge fan of people, and fairly introverted. Spend a lot of time alone or with maybe 1-2 people max.



Hmm. You should be able to do high doses alone but I would wait until you are more comfortable with lower doses first. Facemelt is right. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the madness kind of ceases to be madness when you embrace it. You literally need to let go into the madness. Don't try to fight it or pretend it isn't there. Tell yourself you are gonna go nuts and that you will love it. Have fun with the madness.

When you master that, then if you want ego death do what Terence McKenna recommends on the matter. Take such a high dose that you literally are cornered into accepting ego dissolution. The fact of the matter is, as long as you can handle your shit (not do anything stupid or dangerous while tripping), then you can just increase the dose to a stupid level in order to bring ego death upon yourself. You will think you're dying or something similar, but you need to embrace that too (reminding yourself that you won't literally die, and that you don't need your old model in order to function).



If I go over 8 grams I really don't care if I died or not a dose that high completely erases emotions like fear. On a high enough dose death would be a relief you go far enough and nothing makes since anymore its not scary it just is but it is the most crazy thing you ever do. There is no good way to explain a 8 gram trip other than you become a animal you dont think you dont feel you just do everything is primal and all you know is basic shit like breathing.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: FaceMelt]
    #22507546 - 11/10/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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HardTrippin said:
Are you normally very extroverted?





Not a huge fan of people, and fairly introverted. Spend a lot of time alone or with maybe 1-2 people max.



Hmm. You should be able to do high doses alone but I would wait until you are more comfortable with lower doses first. Facemelt is right. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the madness kind of ceases to be madness when you embrace it. You literally need to let go into the madness. Don't try to fight it or pretend it isn't there. Tell yourself you are gonna go nuts and that you will love it. Have fun with the madness.

When you master that, then if you want ego death do what Terence McKenna recommends on the matter. Take such a high dose that you literally are cornered into accepting ego dissolution. The fact of the matter is, as long as you can handle your shit (not do anything stupid or dangerous while tripping), then you can just increase the dose to a stupid level in order to bring ego death upon yourself. You will think you're dying or something similar, but you need to embrace that too (reminding yourself that you won't literally die, and that you don't need your old model in order to function).



If I go over 8 grams I really don't care if I died or not a dose that high completely erases emotions like fear. On a high enough dose death would be a relief you go far enough and nothing makes since anymore its not scary it just is but it is the most crazy thing you ever do. There is no good way to explain a 8 gram trip other than you become a animal you dont think you dont feel you just do everything is primal and all you know is basic shit like breathing.






Are there a lot of visuals or just feelings? I have gotten visuals don't get me wrong, but they're mild and insanity soon follows and no visuals


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507557 - 11/10/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

8 grams is 100% visuals its insanity unfolding times a million. 4 grams is good visuals to though I have seen my hand split into two hands and complex geometric patterns going through thin air. I saw spirals coming out of the floor and all night I had this song on repeat.
I have had some of my best trips on 4 grams but that night stands out.


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    #22508024 - 11/11/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I literally lose my shit and just want to hug someone for 5 hours until it wears off. I am reduced to  the mentality of a needy child.

I don't wanna end up going totally nuts like the last time and destroying food all over my kitchen in front of my friends.

Last time I did them a couple months ago I just kept thinking they had poisoned me and I was totally unprepared. Thought worms were eating my brain, kept asking my friend to get my wife or call 911.




That doesn't sound like a good basis on which to drastically increase the intensity of the trip.

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What i want are visuals and other cool things to happen without the insanity at the same time.




You can't pick and choose which effects you want. There is always a bit of 'insanity' or mindfuck at higher doses. The issue is whether you can ride it out without actually doing crazy shit. If you can just sit there and think crazy thoughts without wanting to do crazy things, it's not such a problem, you can embrace the madness and go further into the trip.

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Maybe the higher dose will cancel it out? I almost feel Im doing too little and just not getting past the crazy state.




In my experience it gets even more crazy at higher doses. After a certain point in a strong trip you might feel more clear-headed, but you can be completely delusional. Also the intensity really grips you and doesn't let go until the peak - at which point you might get some euphoria kicking in which makes the trip easier to handle (but still crazy).

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I feel now that Im mentally prepared for the feeling of being a super needy child, I can handle it and just ride it out.




That's the way to handle the trip - you have to be mentally prepared for some psychological discomfort and then ride it out. You won't avoid the 'insanity' and trying to cling on to a sober mindset will put you in an anxious state of 'fighting the trip'. If you can learn to go insane quietly and accept the mindfuck then higher doses are an option, but trying 6g when you 'go nuts' on 3g is a one-way ticket to train wreck central.


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #22511621 - 11/11/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My thoughts are, mushrooms destroy your ego and somehow reinvigorate our connection to whatever the hell there is besides My ego driven existence. The mushroom will teach you. Take your time to understand what its telling you. If you acting like a child on mushroom's...you may verywell be a child without them. The fact that you want this "thing" to make you feel or do something different than who you already are is whatever...Since you are afraid, you will fear. When you decide to no longer be afraid, you will no longer act like a child. Take your time my friend. I was a latebloomer myself... :goodluck:


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22511767 - 11/11/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

maybe that's just how you react to them, and if you don't like it you just shouldn't trip on mushrooms :shrug:


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22511832 - 11/11/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm the same way on mushrooms.  I need someone to hold my hand and I'm just like scared of everything

I just don't eat them. But honestly, maybe tripping just isn't for you.

I have learned in time that's the truth for me


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Re: How To Trip Without Going Insane? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22511849 - 11/11/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If you are already going nuts on 3 grams, what do you think you will go on 5 or 6? C'mon, man, get real. If you want to do mushrooms and you go nuts, then you REDUCE dosage, not raise it.

So, do 2.5 next time and see how you andle it.


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