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Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma
    #22505347 - 11/10/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? oregon coast away from woods.
Gills:
purple drying to dark purple

Cap:
olive bluing

Spore print color:
purplish brown

Bruising:
blueish
Other information:
smelled fresh and psilly





so i am sure i have no galls in this bunch but now im trippin if there may be some hypholoma...I ate just under 3 grams dry about 5 days ago, I know it is stupid to ask later. I have hunted other species before and felt confident with id's and bluing until reading about the hyphos ability to tinge green and blue...I have only had some mild gi distress that i would associate with mushroom usage in the past, had i not read all this info on the hyphos...

if there are any T.I.'s that would take the time to look at these shots i would be greatly appreciated. i spore printed most the questionable and have them stored. but now i am questioning my judgment all together. I haven't had diarrhea or thrown up, no nausea. just some bubble guts and mild stomach cramps. eating fine, just a lil anxious about the uncertainty.

do any of these even remotely resemble hyphos or any other species for that matter...thank you... sorry to be a bother.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22505363 - 11/10/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup: good stuff man. But wait for a T.I. First before you go munching away!

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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22505373 - 11/10/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Please don't eat anything before you know for sure - based on what I see you have Azurescens .... but many are so far gone that it is difficult to tell completely for sure. I see some that are certainly azzies but like I said some are very old and in a poor state. Stick to picking the more fresh ones and like the ones in the pix you are holding in your hands - as far as I know Hypholoma also grow in a different habitat to azurescens as well.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #22505436 - 11/10/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Who expected to open a thread containing the words "Azurescens or Hypholoma" in the title, and see Psilocybe azurescens?

:rofl:

Good job, OP.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22505487 - 11/10/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ti22y said:
do any of these even remotely resemble hyphos or any other species for that matter...thank you... sorry to be a bother.




They do certainly not resemble Hypholoma sp. although old H. marginatum might fool you from a distance.
These are definitely a blueing Psilocybe sp. and as already said likely P. azurescens. Mind you I never saw or touched them irl.

But I guess you already knew those weren't "hyphos"...


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Anglerfish]
    #22505603 - 11/10/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you all for your reassurance. i am going to take all the older ones and make spore solutions for home style beds... The more I read the more i fear, the more I know the better choices i make.  I was foolish to not get a proper I.D. initially. And damn the trip was so intense i was floored. Cubes never got that 3D or white light ego loss. I was bordering on Acid trip visuals...The trip itself was proof I was on my money.
The person i went with noted to me that lookalikes would grow toward the woods and generally as far as they knew there were not any. Foolish taking someone else's advice, yet they did find proper specimens and had picked the patch times before...Thanks again for takin the time to chek my pics. I am flatted I exceeded some of your expectations. I love this community and look forward to giving back with the pieces of my foolish avarice...any thoughts on chips to buy to start AZ cultures outdoor? I am studying some indoor tech but theses things take time..


Also, I knew they were not hypholoma fasciculare due to habitat and lack of yellow. but the hypholoma marginatum had me definitely guessing...some the pics on the board that would prolly have shown me this had been deleted by user...thanks again.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: elprawn]
    #22505656 - 11/10/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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elprawn said:
Who expected to open a thread containing the words "Azurescens or Hypholoma" in the title, and see Psilocybe azurescens?

:rofl:

Good job, OP.




Hey azzies can be tricky for novice or amateur hunters.

;]

Lookit my thread from this weekend. Went from derp to success overnight; and I also got considerably worried about mixing up two since they were old and at opposite sides of the patch. They weren't dropping spores for me either.

Mushroom hunting/observing is unique for sure.

As for azzies, I'm leaving older ones for now. Not keeping anything that doesn't stand out as a positive ID... there were gals and mycena on the outer perimeter of the patch.

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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: elprawn]
    #22505790 - 11/10/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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elprawn said:
Who expected to open a thread containing the words "Azurescens or Hypholoma" in the title, and see Psilocybe azurescens?

:rofl:

Good job, OP.





:wink: Indeed :smile:


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #22506034 - 11/10/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506134 - 11/10/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I am pretty confident that those would have orange gills, and be much darker. From what I can tell on the web, they would most likely only grown in or very near the trees. and would be high ly distinguishable against a psilocybe. but you guys are the pros! I am just getting my marks over here :smile:


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506146 - 11/10/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm far from pro. I'm brushing up on myco since it's been a decad. I've only eaten pan subbs growing up in CT, edibles in MN, and now just starting actives. In the interest of expanding knowledge I'd like to see what TIs or others say.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Adden]
    #22506218 - 11/10/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ima just go ahead and say after research that there are no corts present. if anyone conflicts with this please let me know asap. i checked habitat and macro, all seem to be out of the question. Maybe a webcap could be mistaken but they are very rusty brown with much thicker stipe, from what i can tell...


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506531 - 11/10/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Your very last pic is azzy. Guessing on rotten ones always suck, so I wont. You do know how to look for azzies. Do prints and read and read while the spores fly.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: AstaCrazyBull]
    #22506633 - 11/10/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

homie my hands and palms had holes and razor cuts for days! looked like a pincushion.i thought i knew what was up.but the more I learn the more I question...got the prints on the way. nobody asked yet. didnt want to contam my prints but i got shots of what the rotten caps dropped to put up about 5 mins. this will be the tell tale...


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506661 - 11/10/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I did say to Spore print.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: AstaCrazyBull]
    #22506961 - 11/10/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My bad, here we are most of these are the rotten ones and some of the older specimens.



and the ones i will keep to eat this year...




and the rotten ones dry and some loose stems i am shacky about ...some decent contrast shots of stems ...





hope these are sufficient..I feel the spore prints are on and the gold and blue dries are worth hangin on to.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506965 - 11/10/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

might i add alot of the spore prints came from the rotten ones...


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22506987 - 11/10/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

sorry i am a lil stoned.


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azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507099 - 11/10/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I will mention that I ate roughly 3 grams of these and have had mild stomach cramps . That was about 5 days ago. Best trip in a while. I was certain to begin with but now I second guess myself. No vomit, No Nausea,Anxiety and some muscles waking up of psilocin but nothing tragic so far...The wood lovers do have me sweatin' alil though. Would any T.I.'s peak at theses new pics with the prints and give me an opinion. What ever was left of my trip has turned into a mission of certainty.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507242 - 11/10/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Those are definitely psilocybe and safe to eat. I would say deff azurescens. What are you worried about?
What part of Oregon? Do people find azures outside of Astoria?


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe] * 1
    #22507278 - 11/10/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Worried i may have been tired and picked one wrong one by mistake...I have had mild cramps from cubes before...but after reading all the poison mush porn on the Interweb, i keep getting anxious about it...this is the whole batch though so I thought If i could clear it here, I could clear my conscious. I felt they were all good when i picked them. I double checked them, printed alot of them, even went back to sepreate the old from the younger....After I ate them though, hardest I have tripped in a long time. Like the dose was so low, I was like " i done it this time"...but as far this thread, the friend i went with told me there were no lookalikes on the beach, so we found azzies, i picked azzies, and thats what they were, I never checked my cubes on the Interwebs, but then again they are not woodlovers...ate a couple of the darker stems ,that worried me the most...


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507285 - 11/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That county is a good place to get arrested but nice to enjoy a vacation.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507290 - 11/10/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

btw Oregon coast by right near seaside, beach grass, thanks for concern.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507601 - 11/10/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Will that narrows it down. Where on the Oregon coast? Astoria? Near Astoria? Near California?


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507730 - 11/11/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Will that narrows it down. Where on the Oregon coast? Astoria? Near Astoria? Near California?




Hahaha I see what you did there...

Seaside is a city on the Oregon coast, not the sea side of Oregon. Btw bout 30 45 min south of astoria.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507734 - 11/11/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Near Astoria, right outside of Seaside. Some coastal duneland no where close to perimeter of treeline. closer in ,in the slopes and dips, where the long green grass grows. turning through grass..followed the water and lignin and what seemed to be associated plant life related to species thistle ish plants with stickers or thorns as you may call them. so many spikey things on dune floor . like spikes sticking up out of the ground.mainly on my hands and knees crawling through face first through tunnels of Dune grass like a motherfuckin groundhog.ouch :shocking:  :shocking: .. literally stabbed in the eye by blades of grass multiple times...only weirdish area there was yellow trumpet growing near by and more green plant and some moss scattered about. did not see many other types irregular from initial i.d'd mushroom by this site (field guide) and friend's expertise. At this point i should probably start a new thread, huh...yall are all so great..


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22507963 - 11/11/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Anglerfish]
    #22508038 - 11/11/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

ti22y said:
Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.




There is one poisoning case where someone mistook a C. rubellus for a Cep (Boletus edulis), go figure. Both he and his wife required kidney transplants:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8675690/Nicholas-Evans-I-wanted-to-die.-It-was-so-grim.html


Edited by CharlesBruce (11/11/15 05:53 AM)


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: CharlesBruce]
    #22508058 - 11/11/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Anglerfish said:
Quote:

ti22y said:
Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.




There is one poisoning case where someone mistook a C. rubellus for a Cep (Boletus edulis), go figure. Both he and his wife required kidney transplants:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8675690/Nicholas-Evans-I-wanted-to-die.-It-was-so-grim.html




Yes and he must have been pretty arrogant if he thought he knew what he was doing and mistook an agaric for a bolete.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: elprawn]
    #22509144 - 11/11/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

When I first read seaside I thought it might be a town on the coast. Then I read it again and thought wait, he is saying he found them on the side of the sea. Funny. Awesome find.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: tahoe]
    #22510264 - 11/11/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Astoria has coast guard and ranger training now that the tourist season is over. I would tread lightly and have very high situational awareness. They are constantly in and out and working in tandem. I'd personally spend my time in Depoe Bay area or up north to Seaside, but I wouldn't make Astoria a habit. Maybe in a few weeks, unless you like gambling your freedom. I hate to sound paranoid but I'd rather parrot the same thing than see one person get thrown in a cage. Regardless, stay safe, there's dune grass all over the coast, you'll find them.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Adden]
    #22510381 - 11/11/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yall are the shit! Thanks for all your concern and info, hopefully from now on i will be helping solve these kinds of issues!  :elmobong:  :elmobong:  :elmobong:  :realpacman:  :uh:  :uh:  :uh:


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lastly cononcybe filaris [Re: ti22y]
    #22511383 - 11/11/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

do any T.I.'s see any resemblance to conocybe filaris? Or anything else that may be threatening or unusual. I feel confident I am on point with lookalikes now, I am just curious, I have taken all these photos and would love to hear any others thoughts. However I can start a new thread, more concerning the poisonous specimens people collect up and down the northwest coast...i think knowing exactly what NOT to look for is key, as well as knowing EXACT habiatat restraints and potential canidates for comparison. I more excited about your thoughts than eating these. I am looking for knowledge and insight. thank you.


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Azurecens Comparisons and thoughts (continued from I.d.) [Re: ti22y]
    #22511457 - 11/11/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i am trying to continue this conversation. please share experience related to finding lookalikes in Azurecens habitats. Thanks again.


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