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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe] * 1
    #22507278 - 11/10/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Worried i may have been tired and picked one wrong one by mistake...I have had mild cramps from cubes before...but after reading all the poison mush porn on the Interweb, i keep getting anxious about it...this is the whole batch though so I thought If i could clear it here, I could clear my conscious. I felt they were all good when i picked them. I double checked them, printed alot of them, even went back to sepreate the old from the younger....After I ate them though, hardest I have tripped in a long time. Like the dose was so low, I was like " i done it this time"...but as far this thread, the friend i went with told me there were no lookalikes on the beach, so we found azzies, i picked azzies, and thats what they were, I never checked my cubes on the Interwebs, but then again they are not woodlovers...ate a couple of the darker stems ,that worried me the most...


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507285 - 11/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That county is a good place to get arrested but nice to enjoy a vacation.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507290 - 11/10/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

btw Oregon coast by right near seaside, beach grass, thanks for concern.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: ti22y]
    #22507601 - 11/10/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Will that narrows it down. Where on the Oregon coast? Astoria? Near Astoria? Near California?


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507730 - 11/11/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Will that narrows it down. Where on the Oregon coast? Astoria? Near Astoria? Near California?




Hahaha I see what you did there...

Seaside is a city on the Oregon coast, not the sea side of Oregon. Btw bout 30 45 min south of astoria.


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Re: azurescen spore prints up for I.D. [Re: tahoe]
    #22507734 - 11/11/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Near Astoria, right outside of Seaside. Some coastal duneland no where close to perimeter of treeline. closer in ,in the slopes and dips, where the long green grass grows. turning through grass..followed the water and lignin and what seemed to be associated plant life related to species thistle ish plants with stickers or thorns as you may call them. so many spikey things on dune floor . like spikes sticking up out of the ground.mainly on my hands and knees crawling through face first through tunnels of Dune grass like a motherfuckin groundhog.ouch :shocking:  :shocking: .. literally stabbed in the eye by blades of grass multiple times...only weirdish area there was yellow trumpet growing near by and more green plant and some moss scattered about. did not see many other types irregular from initial i.d'd mushroom by this site (field guide) and friend's expertise. At this point i should probably start a new thread, huh...yall are all so great..


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: ti22y]
    #22507963 - 11/11/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ti22y said:
Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Anglerfish]
    #22508038 - 11/11/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anglerfish said:
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ti22y said:
Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.




There is one poisoning case where someone mistook a C. rubellus for a Cep (Boletus edulis), go figure. Both he and his wife required kidney transplants:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8675690/Nicholas-Evans-I-wanted-to-die.-It-was-so-grim.html


Edited by CharlesBruce (11/11/15 05:53 AM)


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: CharlesBruce]
    #22508058 - 11/11/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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CharlesBruce said:
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Anglerfish said:
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ti22y said:
Also I do not i believe i see what would be any Orellanine containing species present due to soil content and color. just want to be sure before i lay this one to rest...Does anyone have any insight on coastal dune shrooms that would contain such a horrible substance? The thought of eating something like that is nightmarish. thanks again.




The only species evidently containing Orellanine are the two well-known species of Cortinarius, C. orellanus and C. rubellus.
These species are not likely to be confused with any bluing Psilocybe species, as long as you know what features to look for.

It is important to note that there are many, many undetermined species of Cortinarius, and that not all of the
thousands of registered ones have been sufficiently studied or tested for toxicity.

You should in any case be very careful when determining what to pick and what to leave. Most Orellanine poisonings seem to
happen to people that are out picking Cantharellus or especially Craterellus species, being careless and eagerly sweeping
up handfuls, oblivous to immature specimens of toxic Cortinarius hiding among the hordes of edibles.

A good rule of thumb is to always examine and clean each individual specimen before it goes into the basket or bag or whatever.
When in doubt, throw it out.




There is one poisoning case where someone mistook a C. rubellus for a Cep (Boletus edulis), go figure. Both he and his wife required kidney transplants:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8675690/Nicholas-Evans-I-wanted-to-die.-It-was-so-grim.html




Yes and he must have been pretty arrogant if he thought he knew what he was doing and mistook an agaric for a bolete.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: elprawn]
    #22509144 - 11/11/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

When I first read seaside I thought it might be a town on the coast. Then I read it again and thought wait, he is saying he found them on the side of the sea. Funny. Awesome find.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: tahoe]
    #22510264 - 11/11/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Astoria has coast guard and ranger training now that the tourist season is over. I would tread lightly and have very high situational awareness. They are constantly in and out and working in tandem. I'd personally spend my time in Depoe Bay area or up north to Seaside, but I wouldn't make Astoria a habit. Maybe in a few weeks, unless you like gambling your freedom. I hate to sound paranoid but I'd rather parrot the same thing than see one person get thrown in a cage. Regardless, stay safe, there's dune grass all over the coast, you'll find them.


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Re: Please help determine Azurescens or Hypholoma [Re: Adden]
    #22510381 - 11/11/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yall are the shit! Thanks for all your concern and info, hopefully from now on i will be helping solve these kinds of issues!  :elmobong:  :elmobong:  :elmobong:  :realpacman:  :uh:  :uh:  :uh:


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lastly cononcybe filaris [Re: ti22y]
    #22511383 - 11/11/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

do any T.I.'s see any resemblance to conocybe filaris? Or anything else that may be threatening or unusual. I feel confident I am on point with lookalikes now, I am just curious, I have taken all these photos and would love to hear any others thoughts. However I can start a new thread, more concerning the poisonous specimens people collect up and down the northwest coast...i think knowing exactly what NOT to look for is key, as well as knowing EXACT habiatat restraints and potential canidates for comparison. I more excited about your thoughts than eating these. I am looking for knowledge and insight. thank you.


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Azurecens Comparisons and thoughts (continued from I.d.) [Re: ti22y]
    #22511457 - 11/11/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i am trying to continue this conversation. please share experience related to finding lookalikes in Azurecens habitats. Thanks again.


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