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Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts..
    #22505053 - 11/10/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/10/un-examines-australias-forced-sterilisation-of-women-with-disabilities

Saw this and it got me thinking.

Obviously a touchy subject, but how do you feel about this?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505064 - 11/10/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think we should sterilize everybody on government assistance.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505071 - 11/10/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's not the answer.

Of course, there are always people who abuse the system, but spending $10 on a child that will end up paying $100 in taxes (numbers obviously simplified) when they start working isn't a terrible problem.

Not really on topic, though.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505077 - 11/10/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I consider people who can't be net contributors to society a disability.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505079 - 11/10/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For what length of time?
Where do you draw the line between freeloader or somebody using temporary help?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505087 - 11/10/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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shLong said:
For what length of time?
Where do you draw the line between freeloader or somebody using temporary help?



A solid point if you can't get it together after 5 years sterilization should be an option. I also believe abortions should be free and contraceptives heavily subsidized. This would decrease crime and actually improve the prospects of the working class.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10] * 1
    #22505092 - 11/10/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I agree about free abortions and birth control.

I also think sterilization should be an option, but for the person, not the state to decide.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong] * 4
    #22505100 - 11/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If its a mental handicap like retardation I don't mind it. How many generations of retards is enough? But for other disabilities like someone who lost a leg in a car crash it seems pretty evil to deprive them of their capacities as a human being.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #22505105 - 11/10/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
If its a mental handicap like retardation I don't mind it. How many generations of retards is enough? But for other disabilities like someone who lost a leg in a car crash it seems pretty evil to deprive them of their capacities as a human being.



They're talking about mental handicaps


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10] * 1
    #22505119 - 11/10/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think we should sterilize everybody on government assistance.



That's pretty extreme. A lot of families are on food stamps when the bread winner gets laid off during a recession. Good hard working people can be on food stamps for long periods of time while they get retrainign for a new career or while they look for work. It happens.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505120 - 11/10/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

As for the actual thread topic itself, I personally don't really have a strong opinion either way.
Just curious to read other opinions on the matter.

So, however you feel is fine for me. Just want your $.02


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505127 - 11/10/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I got government assistance for a quick little bit there after my baby was born.
Both the mother and I work(ed) full time (over 40 hours, actually).

We got some free formula and a child care voucher that we didn't use.
All in all, I think we got 10 things of formula..

Should we be snipped?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10] * 3
    #22505174 - 11/10/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ecstaticengine10 said:
Quote:

shLong said:
For what length of time?
Where do you draw the line between freeloader or somebody using temporary help?



A solid point if you can't get it together after 5 years sterilization should be an option. I also believe abortions should be free and contraceptives heavily subsidized. This would decrease crime and actually improve the prospects of the working class.



:wtf: how would this decrease crime and create jobs. Were you born yesterday or did your brain just fall out of your asshole? You just flagged yourself to be sterilized. :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #22505177 - 11/10/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505180 - 11/10/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

he's probably saying that someone who grows up in a poor household is more apt to be a criminal...or something.

and making it so they don't exist solves the problem...or something.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505182 - 11/10/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We talking eugenics?

Or social sterilization?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: TNK]
    #22505189 - 11/10/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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We talking eugenics?

Or social sterilization?



Read the article to be sure, but pretty sure eugenics


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505193 - 11/10/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Theft is a social issue, mental illness is a eugenics issue, that was my point.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: TNK]
    #22505206 - 11/10/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Carolyn Frohmader, CEO of Women with Disabilities Australia, said Australia does not have any laws in place to prohibit the forced sterilization of women with disabilities, or children, and it falls under the UN definition of torture.




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She said most girls who are sterilised have an intellectual disability and cited the example of a 39-year-old woman who is part of WWDA who was sterilised when she was seven years old because she had a vision impairment.




Vision impairment and sterilized?

Duh'fuck?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505210 - 11/10/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think we should sterilize everybody on government assistance.




Most people are only on government assistance temporarily though (like less than 5 years), you want a permanent solution to a temporary problem?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: TNK]
    #22505222 - 11/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Theft is a social issue, mental illness is a eugenics issue, that was my point.



I'm sorry, dude, but I don't follow your thought here. :confused:


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: TNK]
    #22505225 - 11/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Carolyn Frohmader, CEO of Women with Disabilities Australia, said Australia does not have any laws in place to prohibit the forced sterilization of women with disabilities, or children, and it falls under the UN definition of torture.




Quote:

She said most girls who are sterilised have an intellectual disability and cited the example of a 39-year-old woman who is part of WWDA who was sterilised when she was seven years old because she had a vision impairment.




Vision impairment and sterilized?

Duh'fuck?




wow, yeah, that is fucked up.
I was thinking it was limited to only severely mentally handicapped people.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong] * 1
    #22505254 - 11/10/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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shLong said:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/10/un-examines-australias-forced-sterilisation-of-women-with-disabilities

Saw this and it got me thinking.

Obviously a touchy subject, but how do you feel about this?




No. As much as I'd like it I don't think the government should impose an IQ test on the right to reproduce..  What if someone like me was in charge of that program?  Almost all of you would remain childless.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong] * 1
    #22505257 - 11/10/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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shLong said:
Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
Theft is a social issue, mental illness is a eugenics issue, that was my point.



I'm sorry, dude, but I don't follow your thought here. :confused:




Someone mentioned something about people in poverty and theft, idk I skimmed over it.
Anyways, my point was that you can't solve an issue like crime with sterilization of criminals lol.

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wow, yeah, that is fucked up.
I was thinking it was limited to only severely mentally handicapped people.





Yeah, that was also what I initially assumed, only then to read through the article and find that diddy.
I don't think people who can't take care of themselves even in the most basic of methods should have children, but vision impairment is hardly a good reason to prevent someone from having a child.

Though I guess adoption is always an option, but still.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22505289 - 11/10/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

shLong said:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/10/un-examines-australias-forced-sterilisation-of-women-with-disabilities

Saw this and it got me thinking.

Obviously a touchy subject, but how do you feel about this?




No. As much as I'd like it I don't think the government should impose an IQ test on the right to reproduce..  What if someone like me was in charge of that program?  Almost all of you would remain childless.



Well, we need dumb people too.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505323 - 11/10/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I consider people who can't be net contributors to society a disability.




Your total annual contribution to this problem is a measly ten dollars a year. Hundreds of dollars of your taxs goes to US imperialism. Youre literally a walking fucking advertisement for the efficacy of state run propaganda.


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    #22505339 - 11/10/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

In b4 he says he wants his $10 back.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #22505422 - 11/10/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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r00tuuu123 said:
Quote:

ecstaticengine10 said:
Quote:

shLong said:
For what length of time?
Where do you draw the line between freeloader or somebody using temporary help?



A solid point if you can't get it together after 5 years sterilization should be an option. I also believe abortions should be free and contraceptives heavily subsidized. This would decrease crime and actually improve the prospects of the working class.



:wtf: how would this decrease crime and create jobs. Were you born yesterday or did your brain just fall out of your asshole? You just flagged yourself to be sterilized. :canthelpbutlaugh:



I have no desire to have children.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Crystal G]
    #22505453 - 11/10/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

ecstaticengine10 said:
I think we should sterilize everybody on government assistance.




Most people are only on government assistance temporarily though (like less than 5 years), you want a permanent solution to a temporary problem?



If their not chronic recipients I see no issue people gaming the system however need to get a wake up call.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505475 - 11/10/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's a step in the right direction if it culminates in the sterilisation of all Australians, but in itself this is a sickening violation of human rights.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10] * 1
    #22505501 - 11/10/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well I mean... let's take this sentence for example

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At least half of all women with Down syndrome do ovulate and are fertile. Between 35 and 50 percent of children born to mothers with Down syndrome are likely to have trisomy 21 or other developmental disabilities




So. Maybe, perhaps, we might just, if possible, begin to think about the eventuality of it being almost a problem maybe?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22505522 - 11/10/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If their not chronic recipients I see no issue people gaming the system however need to get a wake up call.




Sterilization is unnecessary in developed countries. The birth-rate has been steadily decreasing (and will continue to decrease) in all developed countries, to the point that there will be a serious necessity for taxpayers in the future to sustain the economy.

I find it funny too that people often prefer to mandate sterilization with IQ or wealth. IQ does not determine morality, in fact some of the most immoral and sociopathic people are people with high IQ's or high wealth.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Crystal G]
    #22505611 - 11/10/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And we will always have them.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong] * 1
    #22505706 - 11/10/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/10/un-examines-australias-forced-sterilisation-of-women-with-disabilities

Saw this and it got me thinking.

Obviously a touchy subject, but how do you feel about this?




Well, if the Nazis did it, why not Australia.
:cookiemonster:

Do not think sterilization should be forced on people due to disabilities -- however, it would be nice if the government were to pay people who did so by choice, rather than throwing money at people pumping out babies they can't support.


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22505764 - 11/10/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/10/un-examines-australias-forced-sterilisation-of-women-with-disabilities

Saw this and it got me thinking.

Obviously a touchy subject, but how do you feel about this?




how many times did australia tell us about how they're so much more free than the US
but they do forced sterilizations so the 'mongoloids' cannot breed, human rights?


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    #22505831 - 11/10/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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how many times did australia tell us about how they're so much more free than the US



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    #22505867 - 11/10/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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how many times did australia tell us about how they're so much more free than the US



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427

and how many times did they talk about their much better human rights track record


of course these folks arent considered to be in prison since they've committed no
crimes so in reality, who locks up more people, innocent and guilty? the US is
allowing these foreign nationals to wander the streets, hold jobs, start families
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http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jan/29/australias-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-diminishes-human-rights-record


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    #22505919 - 11/10/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If they're mentally handicapped and sexually promiscuous, she could take birth control along with her other medications....


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    #22505949 - 11/10/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And it would be up to the guardian


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    #22505950 - 11/10/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Or not.  You want the government to force that?  Who gets to decide who is too stupid?  I can assure you that you do NOT want it to be me.


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    #22505976 - 11/10/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You know I think it's a mute point because it seems like dumb people are leading the pack in the reproduction game anyways


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    #22505992 - 11/10/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You know I think it's a mute point because it seems like dumb people are leading the pack in the reproduction game anyways





it looks like you need some birth control with your meds


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    #22506536 - 11/10/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Makes sense in theory but it's pretty sketchy to hand that kind of power over to ones government.
For sure though, done right, it could be a good idea


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    #22506624 - 11/10/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Or not.  You want the government to force that?  Who gets to decide who is too stupid?  I can assure you that you do NOT want it to be me.



Since this is a purely hypothetical scenario how would you determine someone's intelligence?


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    #22506627 - 11/10/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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For what length of time?
Where do you draw the line between freeloader or somebody using temporary help?




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    #22506660 - 11/10/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Makes sense in theory but it's pretty sketchy to hand that kind of power over to ones government.
For sure though, done right, it could be a good idea





it's what liberals in the US are wanting to do every day


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    #22506717 - 11/10/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Intellectual handicaps? Doesnt that apply to all women?


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    #22506729 - 11/10/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If its a mental handicap like retardation I don't mind it. How many generations of retards is enough? But for other disabilities like someone who lost a leg in a car crash it seems pretty evil to deprive them of their capacities as a human being.



They're talking about mental handicaps





I think the real problem is where do you draw the line? Down syndrome? Autism? Aspergers? Bipolar? Depression?

Get my drift? History shows time and time again you give up one right and they're gonna keep taking and pushing it. It will also discourage people from seeking help.


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    #22506799 - 11/10/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I could care a less as long as they dont try to sterilize me. I hope that doesnt make me a shitty person :shrug:


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    #22506805 - 11/10/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What they should do is pay mentally ill, or handicapped people(Men included) to NOT have children

We currently PAY people to have children, and we give them EXTRA money if they aren't married. its an absurd policy that should stop.

we need to reward shitheads for NOT having shithead children. not vice versa


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    #22506859 - 11/10/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What they should do is pay mentally ill, or handicapped people(Men included) to NOT have children

We currently PAY people to have children, and we give them EXTRA money if they aren't married. its an absurd policy that should stop.

we need to reward shitheads for NOT having shithead children. not vice versa




I'm fine with that, as long as it is their choice. There's a program that pays people 200 dollars to be sterilized called crack actually, lol.
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I could care a less as long as they dont try to sterilize me. I hope that doesnt make me a shitty person :shrug:




And this is what is wrong with the world. People don't give a single fuck about rights being taken or injustices so long as it does not effect them. We start letting the government do shit like this and soon enough they will do something that will effect you. And guess what, everyone who it does not effect won't give a fuck.


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    #22506909 - 11/10/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What they should do is pay mentally ill, or handicapped people(Men included) to NOT have children

We currently PAY people to have children, and we give them EXTRA money if they aren't married. its an absurd policy that should stop.

we need to reward shitheads for NOT having shithead children. not vice versa



There's a program that pays people 200 dollars to be sterilized called crack actually, lol.





200$ is a paltry sum for forfeiting your genetics though, especially for a lifetime

someone can have a one night stand, get pregnant, and get paid hundreds of dollars every month from the father,(or state) only to create more strain on society and the economy and single people without children get no break at all


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    #22506923 - 11/10/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah they do..
They get freedom to do whatever they want wherever they want and every other thing people with kids don't get.


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    #22506925 - 11/10/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well the alternative is to find out what a reasonable population number is, close the boarders ect right, so we have a number and ruled out the outside influence affecting said number.  Next, we keep a running tally of this number updated on the fly, and whenever a baby is born and it crosses that number they just abort it.

that way everyone gets to keep their rights

or we can just turn off the medical field to lower numbers that way

other than that, what is everyones plan for lowering the population?  i mean war doesn't really work anymore, at this point they kind of have to just drop troops out of a plane with faulty parachutes to impact the population growth


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    #22506931 - 11/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

1st world countries are all seeing their birthrates drop.
Population won't be the issue everyone seems to think it is... At least here and in Europe and successful Asian countries.


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    #22506934 - 11/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah they do..
They get freedom and every other thing people with kids don't get.




no, they foot the bill for people who cant take care of their children. I know this first hand, my cousin have FIVE(5) children and STILL IS NOT MARRIED. want to know why? because his girlfriend gets a massive tax break, even though they live together :cookiemonster:

To put it in more simple terms, there are no "bonus points" for not having children. only if you do

people are literally paid to shit all over the gene pool :facepalm:


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    #22506947 - 11/10/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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well the alternative is to find out what a reasonable population number is, close the boarders ect right, so we have a number and ruled out the outside influence affecting said number.  Next, we keep a running tally of this number updated on the fly, and whenever a baby is born and it crosses that number they just abort it.

that way everyone gets to keep their rights

or we can just turn off the medical field to lower numbers that way

other than that, what is everyones plan for lowering the population?  i mean war doesn't really work anymore, at this point they kind of have to just drop troops out of a plane with faulty parachutes to impact the population growth




All that would require more intervention from the government. How about we stop paying women to have kids and get rid of the corrupt family/divorce court.


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    #22506951 - 11/10/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that's true, but the amount of money the average taxpayer pays for social assistance programs is miniscule compared to all the other shit their taxes go to.


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    #22506955 - 11/10/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Tax credits do not cover the cost of a kid...  Not even close.

If you think monetary incentive will prevent people from doing what 3 billion years of instinct has driven them to do then you don't understand people, or life, very well.  And if you think poor, unintelligent people are going to have the foresight and will power to think about the future then you don't understand poor, unintelligent people very well.


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    #22506959 - 11/10/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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  people are literally paid to shit all over the gene pool 





It's not like they're actually making money, though.
They get a break, but the cost of raising a child is much more than what they get back on taxes.

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    #22506970 - 11/10/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah that's true, but the amount of money the average taxpayer pays for social assistance programs is miniscule compared to all the other shit their taxes go to.




That's not my point.

These programs encourage, or at very least reduce the discouragement via financial impact women have to have kids.

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Tax credits do not cover the cost of a kid...  Not even close.

If you think monetary incentive will prevent people from doing what 3 billion years of instinct has driven them to do then you don't understand people, or life, very well.  And if you think poor, unintelligent people are going to have the foresight and will power to think about the future then you don't understand poor, unintelligent people very well.





I guarantee you less people who cannot afford kids will have them if they know someone else won't pick up the bill should they not be able to.

Also, I'm not talking tax credits. I'm talking child support, ebt, and snap. A family of 5 can receive over 2k in cash/food assistance iirc.


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    #22506973 - 11/10/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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1st world countries are all seeing their birthrates drop.
Population won't be the issue everyone seems to think it is... At least here and in Europe and successful Asian countries.




there's so many people it doesn't matter if the birthrate drops, it has to at least match our death rate and thats not even close, idealy we should be depopulating about 1/4th of the population and thats being conservative

women will always have enough incentive to have kids, its called getting laid, feeling old, not being alone, having a pretty life like doll to play dressup with:lol:

some things require government intervention, population control is one of these items, they helped speed up the problem, now they need to reverse it


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    #22506988 - 11/10/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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shLong said:
1st world countries are all seeing their birthrates drop.
Population won't be the issue everyone seems to think it is... At least here and in Europe and successful Asian countries.




there's so many people it doesn't matter if the birthrate drops, it has to at least match our death rate and thats not even close, idealy we should be depopulating about 1/4th of the population and thats being conservative

women will always have enough incentive to have kids, its called getting laid, feeling old, not being alone, having a pretty life like doll to play dressup with:lol:

some things require government intervention, population control is one of these items, they helped speed up the problem, now they need to reverse it





By 2050 the death and birth rates are predicted to be the same.


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    #22506989 - 11/10/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the figure was the population will level off at 8bil.

It's been awhile since I saw the video, so I'm not totally sure, but it's something close.


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    #22506993 - 11/10/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yah and im predicting bullshit, plus earth will be destroyed by 2050.  in 20 years the car traffic has pretty much doubled, i don't want to live in a world where that shit doubles again

if everywhere looks like cali or newyork im out, fuck those places


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    #22506999 - 11/10/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Tax credits do not cover the cost of a kid...  Not even close.

If you think monetary incentive will prevent people from doing what 3 billion years of instinct has driven them to do then you don't understand people, or life, very well.  And if you think poor, unintelligent people are going to have the foresight and will power to think about the future then you don't understand poor, unintelligent people very well.





True enough, but i didnt claim i 'understood everyone'.

i know why people abuse laws to get tax breaks. everyone wants more money, whether they are poor or rich.

i'm just saying its fucked up and we need to stop rewarding them


@ShLong, i know that the breaks they get arent enough to raise a child, i'm more concerned that they get that money no matter what their "significant others" income is.

As i said in my last post, my cousin is a piece of shit with 5 kids and he wont marry his girlfriend. Its not that he NEEDs that money from the tax breaks/welfare. he has a dozen aquariums and a fuckin Jacuzzi in his house. its that they know its an easy way to get a tax break and save huge ammounts of money


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    #22507018 - 11/10/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll try to find the video..

He presented facts.. It was a lecture at a uni I think.

I'll post it when I find it.. You'll see.


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    #22507023 - 11/10/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Gresh.. I know, man.
It's frustrating.

My exes sister has five and gets a ridiculous amount that she wastes on total bullshit every year.

I get your point.. I truly do.


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    #22507049 - 11/10/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

predicting the future has nothing to do with facts.  They are guessing based off of past statistics ect which is just a big clusterfuck of random events, with internal and external forces.

here's my facts, if u put 2 mice in a cage as long as they have food and water they will breed until they have so little room they get pissed at each other and it turns into blood bath.

they can't predict weather, they can't agree on global warming shit, science is wrong, alot.  there is no way you can convince me that they are sure the population will cap at 8b, unless that number happens to be one that means our elbows are going to be touching.

look at india, china, newyork, cali, last i checked those dummys are still fucking like rabbits and their dicks already touch



look at those pictures, the answer is clear as day, they can't stop themselves.


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    #22507072 - 11/10/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's based off current stats.. Past facts wouldn't help anything.


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    #22507096 - 11/10/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

current stats mean nothing without the past to show a trend, which still mean nothing because of all the external factors which happen in both the past present and future which vary:cookiemonster:


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    #22507108 - 11/10/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The either made no fucking sense... Or too much sense
I am officially confused.


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    #22507144 - 11/10/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

u can see x amount of deaths x amount of births, but without previous years you can't detect a trend to predict future years, but again there's lots of external factors.  For example very soon they will have cancer beat, everyone will start living to 80-90, again population boom, beating heart attacks isn't far off either.  u beat those 2 things, which is very realistic and possible say in the next 10-20 years, and our population gets so out of control so fast, it would basically double our population

then you look in the past, you had aids n shit killing people which isn't happening anymore(well not as much and we have the meds for it now), crazy wars that im going to go out on a limb and say were killing more than these proxy wars we have now.

People had extra kids to tend to farms, thats dieing off i get that, but whats not dieing off is people still want children, they will always want children, aside from the gay movmement which is most likely our population control from teh gov in action but isn't enough.

so the trends of birth rates going down is based off the lack of need for farms, what isn't going to die off is mr. and ms. slong wanting a baby


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Here.. This is it. Check it out.


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    #22507206 - 11/10/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Didnt read thread but yes.  We will start with my baba mama and women like them I.E


Juggles  more then first generation welfare families  the Amish  Islamist and militant atheist ..... I could go on but




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    #22507212 - 11/10/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The problem isn't an over abundance of mentally handicapped people. Those people are already in the minority.

The problem is an over abundance of douchebags and people who aren't physically attractive


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    #22507216 - 11/10/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Wait, what... The Amish? They don't bother anybody


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Read into it man they are scum.....
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    #22507233 - 11/10/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No.. I actually quite like the Amish.
Maybe you mean they're scum to each other or something, idk, but that seems way off base.. And I live near a ton of them..


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong] * 1
    #22507375 - 11/10/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What if someone like me was in charge of that program?  Almost all of you would remain childless.




Most of the shroomery is probably classified as "intellectually handicapped".


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #22507660 - 11/11/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

holy shit, then they would need to sterilize all women


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Adolin]
    #22507674 - 11/11/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah they do..
They get freedom and every other thing people with kids don't get.




no, they foot the bill for people who cant take care of their children. I know this first hand, my cousin have FIVE(5) children and STILL IS NOT MARRIED. want to know why? because his girlfriend gets a massive tax break, even though they live together :cookiemonster:

To put it in more simple terms, there are no "bonus points" for not having children. only if you do

people are literally paid to shit all over the gene pool :facepalm:




I like how you emphasized not being married, as if that means anything. The only reason having children outside of wedlock is taboo is because of religious purposes.


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    #22507747 - 11/11/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it's a civil rights issue
it sounds wonderful but in reality it's probably really traumatizing to them at least

being mentally handicapped doesn't always mean "DDEEEERR DDDERRRRR DEERRRRR"
Most mentally handicapped people aren't douchebag cunts


Edited by Konyap (11/11/15 01:00 AM)


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: mindbodysoul]
    #22507765 - 11/11/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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jahrastafareye said:
Intellectual handicaps? Doesnt that apply to all women?



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holy shit, then they would need to sterilize all women




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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: shLong]
    #22507768 - 11/11/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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No.. I actually quite like the Amish.
Maybe you mean they're scum to each other or something, idk, but that seems way off base.. And I live near a ton of them..



http://amishdarkside.blogspot.com/


  :noyoudidawet:

and then this
Hair-cutting = Hate Crime.....


Soliciting Sex from a Minor (in a Buggy) Willard Yoder

The Case of the Orange Safety Triangle Posse- aka road safety is against our religion .

Chester Mast

Technology undoes a sexual assault.


saac Yoder is one Amish man who cannot shun technology, even if he wanted to. In early 2012, the registered sex offender—who had served three years in prison for a previous sexual assault—was arrested once again when the GPS bracelet he was required to wear alerted police that he had violated his parole.

The 26-year-old Wisconsin resident was hauled back to jail when he assaulted a 14-year-old girl in her own bedroom. Soon after, he was caught by the girl's family. Yoder didn't deny the charges, which included two felony counts of sexual assault of a child and felony burglary



Escaping the Amish – Part 1

More amish running puppy mills....

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/09/23/i-team-investigates-where-are-puppy-stores-getting-their-dogs-from/

I stand by my statement those like the Amish isil and other who are pedos  :hansen2: and have that shit in grained in the culture.... Kill them all

I can go on and on and on.  Oh and those crazy Mormons not all of them just like the one who raped all those kids...... Joesph Smith and Muhammad

Amish kick out people who report abuse to cops....

:pokerawe:  :shlongaliens:  :takethefuckingtab:  :youjelly:  :jimmies:  :doge:  :wonka:  :smug:


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: trekie] * 1
    #22507995 - 11/11/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

we need to make a sterilize crystal g gofundme


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    #22508048 - 11/11/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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we need to make a sterilize crystal g gofundme




Hmmmm.... I AM looking to save up some money to start up a business... if I manage to collect $50K in crowd funding, I would actually totally sterilize myself.

I am demanding that much, because sterilization is a serious, invasive surgery for women, and I would end up with permanent scarring and a fuckload of pain for months and possibly years from it.

It's funny too, because that reminds me of a gofundme page I saw... some ratchet punk chick and drug addict was using crowd funding to help her get an abortion.

http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-girl-whos-crowdfunding-her-abortion-905


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Crystal G]
    #22508052 - 11/11/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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we need to make a sterilize crystal g gofundme




Hmmmm.... I AM looking to save up some money to start up a business... if I manage to collect $50K in crowd funding, I would actually totally sterilize myself.

I am demanding that much, because sterilization is a serious, invasive surgery for women, and I would end up with permanent scarring and a fuckload of pain for months and possibly years from it.



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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22508064 - 11/11/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've actually always wondered how my kid would turn out. It could go either one of two ways, they could end up being completely insane and wild freaks just like me, or they could wind up being the polar opposite of me.

Never mind, I'm not going to derail this thread, I'm going to make a new thread about this.


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    #22508416 - 11/11/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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we need to make a sterilize crystal g gofundme



She'd make a better parent then most on here (including me). I would be afraid to be her son I wouldnt be able to get away with shit


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: ecstaticengine10]
    #22508768 - 11/11/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Or not.  You want the government to force that?  Who gets to decide who is too stupid?  I can assure you that you do NOT want it to be me.



Since this is a purely hypothetical scenario how would you determine someone's intelligence?



Whether I liked you or not and how well you performed fellatio.  Do you see the problem here now?


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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: Crystal G]
    #22508772 - 11/11/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
I've actually always wondered how my kid would turn out. It could go either one of two ways, they could end up being completely insane and wild freaks just like me, or they could wind up being the polar opposite of me.

Never mind, I'm not going to derail this thread, I'm going to make a new thread about this.



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Re: Forced sterilization in women with "intellectual handicaps".. Your thoughts.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22509693 - 11/11/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If this actually become law and the only requisite was low intelligence I could see it gradually being extended to cover quite a few of the posters trying to stand behind it in this thread. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.


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