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Kalistis


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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: NDStepp84]
#22628326 - 12/07/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks! Much appreciated. Do you feel like the 7 quarts in one tub performs as well as the tubs with less spawn?
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22628338 - 12/08/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you guys think cornmeal would be a viable BRF substitute if I decide to follow the BRF PF tek?
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22628341 - 12/08/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL I take it you don't bake?
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22628344 - 12/08/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: NDStepp84]
#22628738 - 12/08/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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StJohnsRoom said: Thanx NDStepp. I'm drilling more holes now, do I also drill the lid? It's a 27qt container with 6holes for now
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Kalistis said: Hi guys. I just finished up my first 50 pound bag of oats. I originally started with wild finch seed and still have about 35 pounds.... I think what is in the bucket now soaking will make up another 12 jars or so. It's amazing how quickly these oats go.
Tomorrow I am spawning some jars to coir/verm/gypsum and I am going to try not taping the holes from spawn as azur recommends in his thread. I also plan on casing with jiffy mix to get ready for my PE plates that are nearly ready for oats.
Question: I ave 4 jars of GT from one clone culture, 2 jars of GT from another clone culture (originally had 2 more). Then I have 3 jars of Malabar from one clone culture (had 2 others that didn't perform well. Then 12 jars of Mazatepec from MS (10 of the 12 are completely colonized. 2 are a little behind).
How should I go about fruiting these? I don't typically put more than 5 jars of spawn per 66qt tub, so I am thinking 6 jars of GT in 1 tub is too much. I would like to see how one clone culture performs and was thinking of putting the 4 from the same culture in 1 tub. But what do I do with the other 2? Can I mix them with Malabar?
The 66 quart tub I got going now has 7 quarts of spawn, You could do a mini mono with those 2 quarts, wouldn't hurt to mix them either.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22629175 - 12/08/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sockadin said: I just wanted to stop b and say Hi. 
Sock is cena

Whattup brotha 
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StJohnsRoom said: Hello all, I read all y'all post and now I wanna talk and show off. That's friday That's this morning
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542 http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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Kalistis said: Hi guys. I just finished up my first 50 pound bag of oats. I originally started with wild finch seed and still have about 35 pounds.... I think what is in the bucket now soaking will make up another 12 jars or so. It's amazing how quickly these oats go.
Tomorrow I am spawning some jars to coir/verm/gypsum and I am going to try not taping the holes from spawn as azur recommends in his thread. I also plan on casing with jiffy mix to get ready for my PE plates that are nearly ready for oats.
Question: I ave 4 jars of GT from one clone culture, 2 jars of GT from another clone culture (originally had 2 more). Then I have 3 jars of Malabar from one clone culture (had 2 others that didn't perform well. Then 12 jars of Mazatepec from MS (10 of the 12 are completely colonized. 2 are a little behind).
How should I go about fruiting these? I don't typically put more than 5 jars of spawn per 66qt tub, so I am thinking 6 jars of GT in 1 tub is too much. I would like to see how one clone culture performs and was thinking of putting the 4 from the same culture in 1 tub. But what do I do with the other 2? Can I mix them with Malabar?
6 qts of spawn is actually becoming the norm for 66 qt bins believe it or not. I would expand the other two IMO, I've mixed cubensis before and it usually performs worse then if I'd just spawned 2 qts of the same genetics
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22629180 - 12/08/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kalistis said: Thanks! Much appreciated. Do you feel like the 7 quarts in one tub performs as well as the tubs with less spawn?
And IMO, more spawn = bigger first flush and higher chance of contam (Unless it's all verified clean). Your second and third flushes are a bit diminished though. High spawn ratios are great for one-flush wonders, just stuff 8 qts in there, take good care of it, pick off 4-8 oz a bin and chuck it and spawn it again. This works really well if you have a great rotation.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22629272 - 12/08/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just spawned a reckless amount of tubs with ridiculous spawn ratios
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22629498 - 12/08/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Appreciate the feedback. Got a 66qt and getting perlite. My real Sgfc coming soon. Got 2 pints that are a little over half full with fully colonized WBS. Will have update pix before the weeks over
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Kalistis


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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22629875 - 12/08/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said:
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Kalistis said: Thanks! Much appreciated. Do you feel like the 7 quarts in one tub performs as well as the tubs with less spawn?
And IMO, more spawn = bigger first flush and higher chance of contam (Unless it's all verified clean). Your second and third flushes are a bit diminished though. High spawn ratios are great for one-flush wonders, just stuff 8 qts in there, take good care of it, pick off 4-8 oz a bin and chuck it and spawn it again. This works really well if you have a great rotation.
I can afford to be reckless right now. Lol I have plenty in the works. I try to keep oats colonizing so when a tub finishes another one is already spawned and ready to fruit. So I'm making up my substrate as we speak. I'll throw all 6 in one and the 3 Malabar I might spawn in one. I wasn't that impressed with the Malabar high. Dispute the crazy visuals, I got all in my head and my body was tense. I had never experienced that before. It was a prolific pinning strain and gave me meaty fruits but I'm not all that excited to try it again. I'm sure it was all in my head, but after years of tripping and never experiencing anything like that I'm hesitant. So if the 3 quarts don't do well despite coming from cloned tissue and looking clean, I'm alright.
As far as the 12 Mazatapec- 2 jars aren't done. I'm not planning on waiting. 10 divided between 2 tubs. The last 2 I might just throw my substrate mix in each jar, shake it up, throw top layer and just let them fruit as is in the jars.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22629973 - 12/08/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kalistis said: The last 2 I might just throw my substrate mix in each jar, shake it up, throw top layer and just let them fruit as is in the jars.
CVG?
I was thinking of doing something similar for a random extra jar I have.
My idea:
Fill two jars halfway with CVG & Pasteurize Split the fully colonized qt of AA+ into those two.
Give a good shake, top it off, and fruit...
Or maybe spawn to some other container...
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: guyute22]
#22629989 - 12/08/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah CVG. I've seen other peeps do the jars before just by adding a casing layer over the colonized oats but I'd like to see how adding substrate and mixing it up turns out. I'll leave the lid on until it pins.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22630373 - 12/08/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said:
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Kalistis said: Thanks! Much appreciated. Do you feel like the 7 quarts in one tub performs as well as the tubs with less spawn?
And IMO, more spawn = bigger first flush and higher chance of contam (Unless it's all verified clean). Your second and third flushes are a bit diminished though. High spawn ratios are great for one-flush wonders, just stuff 8 qts in there, take good care of it, pick off 4-8 oz a bin and chuck it and spawn it again. This works really well if you have a great rotation.
Different strokes for different folks, but definitely take Tagyo's advice over mine, he won't steer you wrong. I am cramped for space, only have room for 2 tubs so I've decided to experiment with Azur's poly/casing at spawning with high spawn ratios to try and get one fast flush per tub, if I have a gap waiting for spawn I may try for a second flush while I wait, I think it may work better in my current position.
Normally Personally I like somewhere around a 1:2 spawn ratio, and what ever the first number on the quart size of the tub is how many quarts of spawn I would use, like 6 for a 66 quart 2 for a 20 some quart ect.
The AA+ plates have grown out enough to transfer, can't wait to see those. And about phishphan, he's a good friend IRL, nothing bad happened, just not the right time and place, I think he made the right decision to avoid problems.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: NDStepp84]
#22630484 - 12/08/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, I like high spawn ratios for what they're for 
I just have the space to play around with low ratios and I'm usually too lazy to get together 7-9 qts , by then I've put like seven more strains to agar I want to play with.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22630506 - 12/08/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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adding more spawn is a fool proof method of getting wall to wall flushes IME. But you'd be hard pressed to push all the potential of say 10qts of spawn out in 1 flush only. less spawn in a tub and good conditions can see it push everything out in 1 flush. More spawn usually makes for a pretty decent 2nd flush unless your dialing in of the tubs is spot on.
Whats really impressive to me is seeing what guys like stonesun can do with 5qts of spawn into 1 tub, that's just sick!
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: spacechildo]
#22630535 - 12/08/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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These were my first tubs and they only had 4 to 5 quarts per tub. I took clones from clusters and these are the jars I am talking about now. I was kinda hoping I would see one giant cluster wall to wall with just 4 to 5 quarts, but I'll add all 6.

2nd flush same tub

Here's the Malabar pinset from the first tubs I did. I can't find the pic at the end of the flush for some reason. This was also 4 or 5 quarts because I had 9 good jars. I was worried I wouldn't get much, but I did.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22630539 - 12/08/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sooooo excited to see what these next tubs look like now that I am dialing things in better and using clones.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22630544 - 12/08/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just did a high spawn ratio of TMF in my mini monos just to see what happens. I love these random genetics, they make it so much more fun 
Also spawned some Wikidzon and I think B+, I have no idea anymore.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22630747 - 12/08/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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2nd flush same tub

Here's the Malabar pinset from the first tubs I did. I can't find the pic at the end of the flush for some reason. This was also 4 or 5 quarts because I had 9 good jars. I was worried I wouldn't get much, but I did.

looks to me like the first 2 pics your surface was drying out around the holes and the sub didnt wanna knot there. everywhere there's a hole you see a lack of pins. same with the 2nd flush. you need high rh/sub surface moisture for knotting, and then pretty high fae afterwards for max fruit growth. So it looks to me you should've stuffed the bottoms much tighter until the pinset was in on the first 2 pics, and then loosened up more (top holes at least) once the pinset was in. pretty sure at the 2nd pic there the discoloration is from sub drying out.
the last pic may be a tad contaminated, most of those fruits looks just like they do for me when something nasty is hiking along in the sub.
not trying to be a downer here (aka "hater" )just giving my input. it's there for the taking  I think/hope you know I think you're doing real good, jumpin in heads first giving it your all!
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: spacechildo]
#22630801 - 12/08/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Space knows his shit, him and another member taught me how to grow
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