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MrSpadoodles
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Kalistis]
#22620881 - 12/06/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol that was slightly harsh. I didn't say that they don't need FAE whatsoever.. a mycelium is a living organism and most organism on earth happen to need air to live, and I'm not ignorant of that fact. but it seems to me that removing the tote (which would be the "lid" in my situation) would allow for absolute FAE and since these little 1/2 pint cakes don't waste *that* much air to begin with and since p. cubensis is more tolerant to CO2 than others, not to mention the relatively big size of the tote in comparison to the cakes.. it should be fine I think to approach FAE this way, no? for simplicity's sake, at least. if I notice that CO2 buildup is too much nonetheless and/or droplets are forming on the cakes I'll make some holes to encourage evaporation and more air exchange
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22620893 - 12/06/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shim the tub up slightly off the surface to leave a tiny gap between the surface and the tub would be the best bet
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22620945 - 12/06/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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The fact that you're worried about CO2 in a box full of holes states enough 
If you're talking about your cooler theory then leaving the lid on, unless your room is considerably well humdified, will dry out the fruits. Leaving it on will cause long, stretchy mushrooms with a lot of mycelium climbing up the base. You can grow mushrooms like that but it's not optimal 
Leaving the lid off of an SGFC causes a similar problem, drying out.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22620960 - 12/06/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just be careful getting the ergotamine tartrate. Probably best to take a trip to Eastern Europe to find that sort of thing.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22620986 - 12/06/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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from what I was told the problem with SGFCs is the fact they have so many holes, because supposedly that makes for way more FAE in the FC than is even needed, which needlessly evaporates humidity inside, thereby drying the cakes out unless you mist constantly or use a humidifier. I don't have a humidifier and can only afford to mist 2-3 times a day due to my busy schedule so wouldn't something that retains the humidity (e.g. a holeless tote) be more favorable for me? I mean, it's not going to evaporate because there's nowhere for it to go and CO2 buildup won't be harmful because, since the tote's upside down, the cakes would be literally sitting in fresh air when I take the "lid" off. you know what I'm saying? that pretty much 100% resets CO2 in the FC and would be waaay better than fanning. also, how would the cakes dry out if I didn't add holes in a closed tote.. that doesn't make sense. unless I would never mist it the closed tote should retain humidity. plus like I said I can drill some holes close to the lid (the actual lid, I mean) to encourage more fresh air exchange if it's absolutely needed. and I'm not talking about the styrofoam cooler btw, just a normal 56qt sterilite tote from target or something my misting/fanning schedule would be something like.. 8am, 4pm, and 11pm
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621006 - 12/06/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's Fine
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Big Bear]
#22621053 - 12/06/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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How dry is your air?
if you can mist that much then you'll be fine , RR made the SGFC when he was working 12 hour shifts IIIRC so he didn't have time either.
Get a smaller tote, the larger ones retain humidity less. Put 5" of perlite in there and run it under a shower once a week if you're super worried about it but as long as you're misting the cakes and the perlite you should be fine.
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Big Bear said: Just be careful getting the ergotamine tartrate. Probably best to take a trip to Eastern Europe to find that sort of thing.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22621073 - 12/06/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I was thinking about using perlite too.. humidity is like 10-30ish percent outside (I imagine it'd be even drier indoors?). I'd probably need to use aluminum or something to make a barrier so the perlite doesn't just fall out when I lift the tote since it'd be sitting on the lid
btw I got these ideas from Machiavelliavore
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22621095 - 12/06/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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105g
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621129 - 12/06/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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MrSpadoodles said: yeah I was thinking about using perlite too.. humidity is like 10-30ish percent outside (I imagine it'd be even drier indoors?). I'd probably need to use aluminum or something to make a barrier so the perlite doesn't just fall out when I lift the tote since it'd be sitting on the lid
btw I got these ideas from Machiavelliavore
It'd be higher indoors.
It shouldn't be sitting on the lid
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22621134 - 12/06/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah that's good then. and it won't be hard to make a barrier attached to the lid, but letting the cakes sit on the lid definitely makes flushing the air easier
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621162 - 12/06/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621169 - 12/06/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or you could just mist and fan 
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
I'm not steering you wrong, I'm trying to make it simpler for you and putting it on the lid sounds like a pain in the ass. When you lift the lid the perlite is going to spill all over the place and rehydrating that would be a mess. A container would actually, y'know, contain the perlite 
Watch those videos and do what he does, there's really no reason to deviate your first grow.
This was my first realization that cutting corners or making changes to a system you haven't yet experienced lead to this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20810929
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22621270 - 12/06/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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how about I put a container on top of the lid? something like a pyrex dish that's almost as big as it and tall enough to have the 4" of perlite. then I just put the cakes on top of it. that way the perlite won't be on the lid so nothing will fall out when I remove the tote to flush the air voila!
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621295 - 12/06/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should just read the link I posted and go according to it. Save yourself the headache and go with tried and true
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Big Bear]
#22621316 - 12/06/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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well the problem is I don't have tools to be drilling 48305761 holes in a tote and it's super dry here and I don't have time to mist 6 times a day. 2-3 is all I can do. I also have no good spot to put the FC and having to move it to get its daily dose of light hoping perlite doesn't fall out all over the place from the bottom holes would be more of a pain
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621327 - 12/06/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't trying to come off as harsh, but one thing I see noobs struggle with is getting enough FAE for their cakes. Remember, fanning is not to substitute FAE. There's a reason so many people do the SGFC as they do, because it has been tested and works. I'm sure you can rig your tote to work as outlined above, but it is less than optimal.
If you are doing 12 cakes, why not just spawn to a monotub? Then you don't have to do nearly as much work.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: Big Bear]
#22621337 - 12/06/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big Bear said: You should just read the link I posted and go according to it. Save yourself the headache and go with tried and true 
True. The time to experiment is after you have a few successful grows under your belt. The experience helps you to dial in your idea rather than relying on others to dial it in for you.
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: MrSpadoodles]
#22621490 - 12/06/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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MrSpadoodles said: well the problem is I don't have tools to be drilling 48305761 holes in a tote and it's super dry here and I don't have time to mist 6 times a day. 2-3 is all I can do. I also have no good spot to put the FC and having to move it to get its daily dose of light hoping perlite doesn't fall out all over the place from the bottom holes would be more of a pain
Heat up a screwdriver.
Roger. Rabbit. The designer of the SGFC. Designed it when he was working 12 hour days. He could ony mist twice, three times max. You're in the same exact position he was in. Just mist and fan and you'll be fine
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Re: Gyo's Better Grows (Community Grow-A-Long) [Re: taGyo]
#22621531 - 12/06/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm plating Pan cyan today and one other strain. I just haven't decided which. The number of cultures I have now is getting out of control... I asked if my BF would buy me a mini fridge for Christmas. I successfully made 12 master slants too so I'm ready to save my prized cultures once they come along. I want to master printing next. I haven't tried it mainly because I've not wanted to leave even a cap out where my stupid animals could potentially break in and eat it.
I have been working on irganizing and defining my work space in my home. I don't want this hobby to take over the house, which at the moment it has done.
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