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Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...?
    #22502856 - 11/09/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey I just wanted some insight and maybe some life advice from you guys

about 3-4 years back, I had a lot of shitty things going on in my life. And I was enraged by the close friends in my life who betrayed me. And those who lied to me. I basically had bouts of anger every day I couldn't control it until I found meditation/yoga to help quell the anger ( a year or two later)

But I started to get into strength training around then. I didn't have weights, but just went to the park, started doing squats, pullups, and pushups. My workouts were ridiculous and I was fueled by anger. I remember taking my shirt off and seeing ridiculously amazing gains after just a few weeks. My chest was huge and my family even commented on my size thinking I was taking steroids. Once I incorporated wieghts, I was growing much bigger much faster. Eventually, I quit (once I began my "spiritual journey")

I have worked out harder, cleaned up my diet, and supplemented wisely. I have yet to get the type of strength I had during that period. I was discussing with a friend of mine, and I came to the conclusion that anger is more powerful than love in many ways. I put on more strength and muscle in a few months than I have now after months/years of better technique lifting

So my question is; do you guys think its a wise idea to use anger to become more productive, accomplished and successful? Or should I stay about where I am now, a guy who is basically nonviolent and compassionate? Would accessing my past anger in the weight room help me or hurt me with my mental health? Could I use anger only to help me in the gym/when trying to get more motivated in life? Or would that begin to make me a hateful person?

EDIT: Also, do you guys think hate is a more powerful emotion than love?


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82]
    #22502969 - 11/09/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know the answer ... but
you might ask what your goal really is ...
when are you muscular enough?
when you get older and the body ceases to be so intoxicating what goals do you want?
Does it feel good to be angry?

What values did you learn from meditation?
How does it effect your life compared to feeling angry?

Is it possible to be angry and happy at the same time?


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: laughingdog]
    #22502989 - 11/09/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
I don't know the answer ... but
you might ask what your goal really is ...
when are you muscular enough?
when you get older and the body ceases to be so intoxicating what goals do you want?
Does it feel good to be angry?

What values did you learn from meditation?
How does it effect your life compared to feeling angry?

Is it possible to be angry and happy at the same time?



Well i guess my goal here isn't really muscle. My goal here would be using anger and hate as a tool to achieve amazing things
I don't care too much about muscle and size as much as strength. one can gain massive strength while not getting much bigger. This is what I care for

It feels good to be angry in those moments I am angry. But when I lose control over it fucks me over. I learnt from meditation to detach from thoughts that arise and realize that they are separate from the thinker. If I can use anger as a tool, I think I could utilize the pros and mitigate the cons

And IME it isnt possible to be angry and happy at the same time. So I kind of answered that myself. It is hard to utilize anger without harming your own well being

any other thoughts are welcome


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #22503189 - 11/10/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I find anger is good to motivate you for physical tasks, but for things that require thought and planning it can lead you astray. Anger tends to narrow your thinking so you'll likely keep charging into a wall trying to break it down when you can just go around it.

What's greater than anger is purpose. Or a goal worth doing, to you that is. Something that just the mere thought of fills you with power knowing that it feels right, that what I do I believe in. That makes you sprout wings and unsheath your blade, and with confidence in yourself challenge that which would oppose you. Ok maybe that's just me but you get the idea.

To quote master yi: "anger gives motivation without purpose".


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22504033 - 11/10/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's a beautifully written post. I guess anger outside the direct realm of physical excercise is pointless


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82]
    #22504091 - 11/10/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you have discovered from personal experience that anger is a way to motivate yourself, and we know that movie actors get away with turning in off and on, so why shouldn't you?

we also know that many actors personal lives were a mess, and are a mess.

we also know that if you use it to motivate yourself on purpose you are in a sense 'acting'.

and you know that it is incompatible, with happiness.

Anger is an emotion associated with physical arousal, because it's function in animals has to do with defense and survival. The body secrets powerful hormones to change heart rate, & reroute blood form the the digestive organs, to the muscles, so that the animal can fight to the death and kill instantly. So it seems compatible with physical motivation and competitive activities, but not so much with activities requiring fine motor control.

Since it is incompatible with happiness, using it, or creating it artificially would seem to be 'using the ends to justify the means'.
Great things have been accomplished with slavery - like building the great wall of China - that doesn't mean slavery is a great way to accomplish things.

They say the same skills used in meditation may be applied to activity. Skills of using attention. This might be a worthwhile experiment. I'm not a weight lifter but I have heard 'form' can be very important to results, and that there are many critical details having to do with anatomy and physics. This would seem to be an opportunity to integrate your meditative powers of attention into activity, which would benefit both.


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: laughingdog]
    #22504272 - 11/10/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thats also a good point. I figure my mass, size and strength would be much more. But my functionality in particular movements would be decreased quite a bit


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    #22505016 - 11/10/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"Anger is suffering" saith the Buddha

That being said, anger in the gym might be a motivator, but how would you generate this anger? And, once motivated, might it not, like war, take on a life of its own. One day, you say to your body-builing anger, "OK, we are now leaving the gym, so you get back into your hole." And it says, " Fuck you!" and goes out and starts throwing its weight around in the world.


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: champinhom]
    #22505637 - 11/10/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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"Anger is suffering" saith the Buddha

That being said, anger in the gym might be a motivator, but how would you generate this anger? And, once motivated, might it not, like war, take on a life of its own. One day, you say to your body-builing anger, "OK, we are now leaving the gym, so you get back into your hole." And it says, " Fuck you!" and goes out and starts throwing its weight around in the world.



thats wat I think may happen. I could recall many times being harrased by bullies most of my life up until middle school. I could channel this anger into wieghts. I will try it for a few workouts but I dont see this all being a smart long term move


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82]
    #22507698 - 11/11/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just realising tonight how angry I've been! Probably all the crap my crazy brain put me through - getting giggled at in the street while having a panic attack, persecutory delusions in general, various failures ie. public speaking...

Definitely something to keep in check!

Feel a lot better now, it was just a habit from all that crrrrrap...


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82]
    #22508055 - 11/11/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've had anger fueled workouts where my angry thoughts are just the spark of the workout. Once i get into it, the workout helps me forget about the anger because im distracted. The angry thoughts were just like a cracked out pre workout drink!

But i would take out my frustration on the weights and be done with it. Burn it off.

Repeated habitual use of angry workouts may suggest an angry guy inside :lol: and that may mean additional supplemental self help is necessary :cookiemonster:

Hope that makes sense, my 2 cents :smile:


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: topdog82]
    #22508496 - 11/11/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have been struggling with keeping amer at bay my whole life.  Through a constant desire to better myself,  I have learned that in MY life is a negative force.  It causes so much stress fir me that it starts to manifest itself in physical ways,  cancre sores etc.  Also,  I have an extremely short fuse and an explosive way of reacting to things when I let anger fester within me.  My point in telling you all of this is to provide some of my reasoning behind my humble opinion.  Spirituality,  and an earnest effort has changed my life in many wonderful ways.  That being said,  I think it could possibly be relevant to the inner workings of the individual in question.  What makes me content may not be what suits your individual unique needs.  One bit of advice I would humbly offer is to take a minute and honestly assess your motives.  E.G. why do you want to start lifting again. Are you being motivated by a positive or a negative factor in your life?  It is my personal belief that one should always attempt to keep negativity from their heart.  Amber had a way of creeping outward and grabbing hold of other areas of your life.  I hope I have given you some good food for thought.  Best of luck with your outcome!


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: dhype773]
    #22537684 - 11/17/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i also had anger issues as i grew up and tried cognitive beahvior theraphy can find out about it on the net im sure. It worked for me to try and calm me down.


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: Morganalee]
    #22554141 - 11/21/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thinking of things in energy and frequencies helps one understand life better. Anger was within you, but you have to let that stress and tension go. Embracing the positive energy and thought-flow will bring you to a greater state of being. Muscles protect you from injury, strengthen your metabolic system and helps your body breakdown sugars. Clarity of mind, feeling the your heart and being graceful is important for your foundation.


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: Soul journey 879]
    #22554334 - 11/21/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Amen to that!


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Re: Anger is very powerful...how to handle it...? [Re: Soul journey 879]
    #22554810 - 11/21/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Thinking of things in energy and frequencies helps one understand life better. Anger was within you, but you have to let that stress and tension go. Embracing the positive energy and thought-flow will bring you to a greater state of being. Muscles protect you from injury, strengthen your metabolic system and helps your body breakdown sugars. Clarity of mind, feeling the your heart and being graceful is important for your foundation.



I understand. I wanted to make it clear in the first post, but I guess I will restate it; I HAVENT HAD ANY ANGER ISSUES IN YEARS. I am not longer an angry person. I am basically a gandhi at core. Someone at a frat party punched me in the chest and I didn't hit back. Even as a gut response/reaction. Its just I felt anger was a powerful tool

Funny because stars wars 7 is coming out soon. But the idea that your anger makes you powerful but eventually makes you lose control is basically central to the sith/jedi theme. And its a reoccurring theme throughout the series. I was merely seeing if people agreed with that concept. Could one be a "jedi" at core while utilizing "sith"power of anger


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