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Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances?
    #22502767 - 11/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven] * 6
    #22502987 - 11/09/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Weed is barely frowned upon anymore in a lot of western places. If I said I did acid (which I have made the mistake of admitting in the past) even just one time, people would literally look at me differently. Like think I can't be trusted, my brain is fried, I'm legally insane or other bullshit. If I told people I'd tried weed they'd be like yea me too. Trying it drunk at a party and using it everyday by yourself are too different things though. I don't know why LSA belongs on that list either, nobody frowns on it they have no idea what it is. People are easily programmed. The reason they hate drugs is because you're supposed to hate drugs. The church used to have a lot of influence and those things were seen as morally wrong and also a good scapegoat. The government has carried the tradition on.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: jellyfish]
    #22503087 - 11/09/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Generations of fear based propaganda is very effective. It works with other topics too.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: LSDylan] * 1
    #22503120 - 11/09/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What does drunk driving have to do with anything? It is super frowned upon by everyone...
and what does tripping while driving have to do with people looking down on psychedelics?

When get down to it, people are afraid of what they don't understand. And they don't understand psychedelics and why people like them because psychedelics feel so weird to them that it scares them... And if you like they feeling, then oh you must be weird and crazy to like that so then you scare them also..


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22503650 - 11/10/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I was just saying that pretty much any mind altering substances has its risks.

And good point.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22504284 - 11/10/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you should ask this question in Off Topic Discussion. :lol:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Silky_Johnson]
    #22504318 - 11/10/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You must be in the wrong circles. Everyone I associate with trips.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22504325 - 11/10/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ReaperAndRaven said:Why the f*** are people so anal about min altering substances?





Because intrarectal administration has a high rate of effect!:chilldog:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: fennel acid tones]
    #22504435 - 11/10/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I am not sure about that, i dont feel like where i live people are even that ignorant, and where i live is pretty ignorant. Mostly the hate where i live goes to spice and bathsalts though


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Agentchewy]
    #22504478 - 11/10/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Heh.  Me too.  But you average person is.... interesting.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505307 - 11/10/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People around here think there is such a thing as "bad" herion going around killing people (i dont use anymore) but still hear my dad and bro cautioning me. Its not bad herion its fent analogs being sold as herion.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505331 - 11/10/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from Other Drugs Discussion.

Reason:
Seems most appropriate in the Pub per rule 3 of ODD, and you'll probably get a lot more feedback.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: DustBunny]
    #22505357 - 11/10/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People aren't anal about those drugs, at least not in California.

I can say out loud in public that I've done ecstasy or acid. You know why? Because X and acid are "white people drugs."

What I CAN'T say out loud in public, is that I love smoking crack or PCP.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #22505557 - 11/10/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And krokodil.....


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: DustBunny]
    #22505560 - 11/10/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

mm.  Thanks.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
    #22505563 - 11/10/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.  stupid racial lines...


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505566 - 11/10/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly? Death anxiety, methinks.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505604 - 11/10/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Because western culture is built around the ignorance of the working class, about making people believe that if they work hard enough, they can get rich and not have to work hard anymore.

Mind altering substances make you question what you were taught to believe, which inevitably leads to the truth, and people who know the truth don't make very good workers :lol:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Svetaketu]
    #22505615 - 11/10/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Because we all force each other to over exert our selves into the system , and mind altering drugs may push you away from being a slave


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
    #22505660 - 11/10/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ain't that the truth.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505674 - 11/10/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 1
    #22505689 - 11/10/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I tell people I do Psilocybin and LSD all the time. It usually makes them interested in exploring them because I'm so open about it and how they have bettered my life and up until that point it's been a taboo subject for them to even speak of. Having a normal conversation with valid points really changes people's fears of these chemicals


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505691 - 11/10/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ReaperAndRaven said:
So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




When you turn 18 and move out you can do all the drugs you want



please don't do drugs


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #22505699 - 11/10/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I tell people I do Psilocybin and LSD all the time. It usually makes them interested in exploring them because I'm so open about it and how they have bettered my life and up until that point it's been a taboo subject for them to even speak of. Having a normal conversation with valid points really changes people's fears of these chemicals



So you're one of those guys :rolleyes:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22505701 - 11/10/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
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ReaperAndRaven said:
So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




When you turn 18 and move out you can do all the drugs you want



please don't do drugs




The subject at hand is a very good one, but unfortunately the original post has so many things to throw this discussion overboard.

Not many people understand social programming is a must. It's how we form first world societies, however messed up they may be, and it's how cautionary "faerie tales" came popular.

A common misconception/perception I've seen over the years is that there's some massive reptilian overlord bad guy syndrome or ideology.

If someone can tell me how to best manage 300 million people in the world's leading superpower I'd like to hear it (literally not sarcastically).


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505708 - 11/10/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
I tell people I do Psilocybin and LSD all the time. It usually makes them interested in exploring them because I'm so open about it and how they have bettered my life and up until that point it's been a taboo subject for them to even speak of. Having a normal conversation with valid points really changes people's fears of these chemicals



So you're one of those guys :rolleyes:





He's actually a very good man and pretty smart.

You should go romping if you want to keep up these posts.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Adden]
    #22505726 - 11/10/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not saying he isn't either of those things :shrug: Rebel seems like a good guy.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505740 - 11/10/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, permission isn't the issue.  I keep things well sealed, and hidden in very clever spots.  I was just using my Mom's bizarre hippocrasy as an example.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505742 - 11/10/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22505744 - 11/10/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Fair point, man.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505774 - 11/10/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

people don't know what the they're talking about and just like to cause shit

had people that I lived with go off about weed when virtually 90% of the people I talked to didn't care and would let you hang out in there backyard lol

there was a point when I was 18 I was being treated like a 15 year old and 15 year olds were being treated like me, save for ordering a keg on my birthday, my parents were nutty about me being out late or staying out all night during the summer. Assholes


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22505777 - 11/10/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Konyap]
    #22505781 - 11/10/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you asking this question OP? I thought you were a self proclaimed genius?


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22505834 - 11/10/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This isn't normal but on LSD it is
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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22505846 - 11/10/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

*sigh*  I can be entertained by a debate, you know.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: eehoo]
    #22505863 - 11/10/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ain't that the truth.



drink up broski




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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22505870 - 11/10/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ethanol-- the shittiest drug invented ever in the history of stuff.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505878 - 11/10/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I see why people like it, it's just not my thing :shrug: Different strokes for different folks


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22505884 - 11/10/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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eehoo said:
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Ain't that the truth.



drink up broski




The only drinkin' I do is from a styrofoam cup :crazy2:

Seriously, though, I don't drink.



not even rye whiskey??? this is why the prohibition was fought, so we could drink rye whiskey


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505889 - 11/10/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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*sigh*  I can be entertained by a debate, you know.



oh yeah aren't you a rocket scientist or something?


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505901 - 11/10/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

In some capacity.  Plasma propulsion for use in deep space travel, generally within the bounds of the Oort cloud (though sometimes used for orbital stationkeeping and maneuvers).


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22505902 - 11/10/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I tell people I do Psilocybin and LSD all the time. It usually makes them interested in exploring them because I'm so open about it and how they have bettered my life and up until that point it's been a taboo subject for them to even speak of. Having a normal conversation with valid points really changes people's fears of these chemicals



So you're one of those guys :rolleyes:



It's not like I approach random people and start spouting off psychedelic shit but if the topic gets brought up somehow in conversation with friends, I voice my opinion. More times than not I'll have people bring me aside and actually show interest in what I had talked about. If you treat it just like a medicine in your eyes maybe they won't see it as a life destroying drug in theirs. As long as you're not all "heyy mannn, these are like realllyyyyy fucking cool ok" people might actually take your experiences seriously and consider them as an option for themselves :shrug:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: eehoo]
    #22505960 - 11/10/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ain't that the truth.



drink up broski




The only drinkin' I do is from a styrofoam cup :crazy2:

Seriously, though, I don't drink.



not even rye whiskey??? this is why the prohibition was fought, so we could drink rye whiskey




Rye? I like whiskey, but not rye. Wheat whiskey is where it's at :grin:

I like whiskey, not the buzz from alcohol.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22505974 - 11/10/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I tell people I do Psilocybin and LSD all the time. It usually makes them interested in exploring them because I'm so open about it and how they have bettered my life and up until that point it's been a taboo subject for them to even speak of. Having a normal conversation with valid points really changes people's fears of these chemicals



So you're one of those guys :rolleyes:



It's not like I approach random people and start spouting off psychedelic shit but if the topic gets brought up somehow in conversation with friends, I voice my opinion. More times than not I'll have people bring me aside and actually show interest in what I had talked about. If you treat it just like a medicine in your eyes maybe they won't see it as a life destroying drug in theirs. As long as you're not all "heyy mannn, these are like realllyyyyy fucking cool ok" people might actually take your experiences seriously and consider them as an option for themselves :shrug:



Oh ok I gotcha. I didn't know what you meant.
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In some capacity.  Plasma propulsion for use in deep space travel, generally within the bounds of the Oort cloud (though sometimes used for orbital stationkeeping and maneuvers).



Do you work for NASA remotely from your Moms basement or something?


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 1
    #22505989 - 11/10/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Haha so op is a rocket scientist that lives with his mom?


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #22505990 - 11/10/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yep.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #22506007 - 11/10/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

HER mom, dipshit.  :P  And no, I'm just an enthusiast.  And yeah.  Garages are useful.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Adden] * 1
    #22506012 - 11/10/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

They're not anal, they're just stupid.  Imagine being lied to your entire life, youd never know what was true and what wasnt.  That is, unless youre able to disregard whats been told to you, and learn to think for yourself.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22506025 - 11/10/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Her i thought you were a transgender male? I am not trying to say anything negative about the transgender community as i support peoples right to do what they want. But if you have a penis you are a male. Unless it is removed


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #22506041 - 11/10/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thats one hell of a mental image. A transgendered rocket scientist doing plasma propulsion experiments in her moms garage


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22506061 - 11/10/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

His* moms basment. Normally i wouldnt care but the comment about genitalia having nothing to do with gender was just incorrect


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22506065 - 11/10/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Thats one hell of a mental image. A transgendered rocket scientist doing plasma propulsion experiments in her moms garage




He's going to eventually melt. Like planet punching melt. I give it a month, if that, maybe end of the month.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: stuckinwonderland] * 2
    #22506070 - 11/10/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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His* moms basment. Normally i wouldnt care but the comment about genitalia having nothing to do with gender was just incorrect



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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22506098 - 11/10/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I know im not going to flame op. Or say anything bad about transgender people because i dont feel negativley towards trans people. But saying genitalia has nothing to do with gender is wrong and so is calling me a dipshit for not saying her when i refer to you


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Adden]
    #22506112 - 11/10/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




When you turn 18 and move out you can do all the drugs you want



please don't do drugs




The subject at hand is a very good one, but unfortunately the original post has so many things to throw this discussion overboard.

Not many people understand social programming is a must. It's how we form first world societies, however messed up they may be, and it's how cautionary "faerie tales" came popular.

A common misconception/perception I've seen over the years is that there's some massive reptilian overlord bad guy syndrome or ideology.

If someone can tell me how to best manage 300 million people in the world's leading superpower I'd like to hear it (literally not sarcastically).




You answered your own question: social manipulation/programming

Getting people to want to do things is easier than making them.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22506246 - 11/10/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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HER mom, dipshit.  :P  And no, I'm just an enthusiast.  And yeah.  Garages are useful.




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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven] * 1
    #22506565 - 11/10/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Because
1. they are illegal
2. most do have some serious potential for negative reactions
3. most aren't feel good drugs, which is what most uninformed people assume all drugs are for
4. they are intellectualy and emotionally challenging -the psychs
5. they aren't that widely used, and many users are involved in criminal activity which the general public then associates with these substances
6. the 60s
7. there isn't a long history of use in western cultures
8. etc etc
so many reasons. Honestly its a testament to how amazing psychedelics are that they are even starting to be discussed again in this culture


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #22506843 - 11/10/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No, trans female.  In other words, I am transitioning from male to female.  I don't have the money to throw at vaginoplasty, sadly.  And not all trans women get it-- there are a lot of downsides.  Seriously.  And it's a mildly life-threatening procedure, as the blood loss sometimes horrendous.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22506850 - 11/10/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mmm.  Fair point.  We are so afraid of new concepts.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22506864 - 11/10/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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HER mom, dipshit.  :P  And no, I'm just an enthusiast.  And yeah.  Garages are useful.




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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22506904 - 11/10/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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His* moms basment. Normally i wouldnt care but the comment about genitalia having nothing to do with gender was just incorrect



That'll catch you a ban around these parts




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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22506935 - 11/10/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

IQ tests, and various awards.  I'd rather not give away my identity, but it's pretty much a given.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22506984 - 11/10/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Seems legit.  Why is everyone so quick to dismiss a positive claim someone makes about themselves.  Even if youre not an "official" genius, at the very least you have positive self worth.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: jahrastafareye] * 1
    #22507177 - 11/10/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: LSDylan]
    #22507637 - 11/11/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22507641 - 11/11/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:threadmonitor:
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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: jahrastafareye]
    #22507740 - 11/11/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems legit.  Why is everyone so quick to dismiss a positive claim someone makes about themselves.  Even if youre not an "official" genius, at the very least you have positive self worth.



The term, "delusions of grandeur" come to mind.

Off topic: this community seems pretty unexposed (fearful/resentful) to transgendered people in general here. Sad, but still more progressive than most places on the internet :shrug:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22508096 - 11/11/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.  It's odd, considering the fact that most of us are probably liberal.

And no, not delusional.  If I could give my name and not risk word getting to the press, there are several dozen articles on me.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22508102 - 11/11/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Im sure there are buddy :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22508290 - 11/11/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Woahh there. Im libertarian


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Agentchewy]
    #22508301 - 11/11/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Which is basically the belief that the best path is to let others decide what they wish to do, right?


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    #22508312 - 11/11/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22508381 - 11/11/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

They have no concept of what they are, plus there's a lot of misinformation out there. And, hey, when I was a kid, I thought the process of putting a psychoactive chemical into my body was ridiculous... :shrug:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: s240779]
    #22508386 - 11/11/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I guess that's true.  Considering how society lumps acid, weed and shrooms in with heroin, it really shouldn't surprise me.

Me too.  Then again, I though music with words was bad because it was an "emotional teenager thing" as my mother put it.  Thanks, Mom.  Really.  Thanks.  Sarcasm.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509087 - 11/11/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah.  It's odd, considering the fact that most of us are probably liberal.

And no, not delusional.  If I could give my name and not risk word getting to the press, there are several dozen articles on me.




I think you might have lost your mind...

I can see it in the paper now... "A transgender rocket scientist posts to a drug website from mothers garage"... Not


And seriously where do you live????
Society does not group weed with heroin anymore... It's not the 50s and 60s

And honestly I don't think acid and mushrooms are looked at like heroin either if you are talking to anyone that has a clue..

With the way you talk about your mother I'm guessing that you are very young


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22509125 - 11/11/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll PM you my name.  Nice joke, BTW.  It does seem silly.  I just don't feel like dealing with the fam getting annoyed.

Easter seaboard.

An d you are totally right, they aren't.  But then again, Trump is in the polls...

Very young?  By the standards of the forum.  Not under 18 tho.  Turned in August.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509147 - 11/11/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I won't put you on blast. I'm not really an asshole I'm just givin you a hard time

I figured you were about 18. I didn't think you were :underage:


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22509174 - 11/11/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What state are you in reaper? That might have to do with how you think people view drugs...  like now that I live in Texas I see people have a way different view here than I'm used to in Colorado or souther California


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22509207 - 11/11/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lol.  KK.  Thanks.  And yeah.  I used to be like that.... XD  I think we all did.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509831 - 11/11/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah.  It's odd, considering the fact that most of us are probably liberal.

And no, not delusional.  If I could give my name and not risk word getting to the press, there are several dozen articles on me.




First off, "most of us" aren't liberals. Unless by "us" you mean people who call themselves geniuses :lol:

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509851 - 11/11/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




Because we are shown the idiots who do drugs poorly on TV and viral videos and people associate that with all drug users because that is the only perspective they really see on it, and if they see the opposite type of drug user, it's few and far between because most people don't openly talk about their drug use, unless it's to other people who they know use drugs.



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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22509865 - 11/11/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sure.  But you all have some affinity for the freedom to decide for yourself.  Without it, you would have succumbed to the laws set forth by the bloated DEA.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven] * 1
    #22509877 - 11/11/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The DEA neither writes nor passes laws.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Adden]
    #22509880 - 11/11/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509889 - 11/11/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Adden]
    #22509893 - 11/11/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Fair point.  i was using it as a figurehead, however, and the point still stands.  You, the shroomery at large, have demonstrated at least some critical thinking and the ability to take social norms with a grain of salt.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22509902 - 11/11/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You, the shroomery at large, have demonstrated at least some critical thinking and the ability to take social norms with a grain of salt.




I couldn't tell you how happy it makes me to hear you say this.

I mean, WOW. Thanks.


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    #22509903 - 11/11/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22509977 - 11/11/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mmm.  And how much sarcasm does this quip of your come with? :P


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22510001 - 11/11/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure.  But you all have some affinity for the freedom to decide for yourself.  Without it, you would have succumbed to the laws set forth by the bloated DEA.




What does that have to do with anything? Everybody, liberal and conservative, likes freedom :shrug:


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    #22510020 - 11/11/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

guys OP is famous she's been on TED Talks


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    #22510066 - 11/11/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22510071 - 11/11/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

im serious, im not gonna blow her cover nd say who she is tho

but shes literally famous like buncha news articles about her n shit


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22510109 - 11/11/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Fair point.  I guess I just need to change how I think about the average psychedelic user.  I too jumped on the the "it's a hippie thing" train.  I am entirely fallible. Lol.


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    #22510116 - 11/11/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up, Sheekle.


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    #22510125 - 11/11/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You're also entirely a faggot for assuming so.


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    #22510138 - 11/11/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? [Re: ReaperAndRaven]
    #22510159 - 11/11/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So yeah.  Why is it that weed, LSD,LSA,Psilocin/Psilocybin,DMT,Mescaline and many other things are so strongly and universally frowned upon by western culture?  Like, I feel like they are a window to some very amazing, beautiful things.  Yes, you should not drive while tripping, but alcohol presumably has a similar risk factor in vehicular situations.  There is nothing morally wrong about seeking a new perspective.

This has been bugging me for a long, long while.  My mom was a lawyer, minor alcoholic, and used pot at parties a few times, but never agreed that weed (or any other mind altering substances) could be neutral or beneficial.




Couldn't agree with you more. I'm 61 yrs old & have been saying exactly what you are saying for 45 yrs now.
Doesn't our fucked-up government remember the Prohibition Act of 1919 fiasco? All that did was kick-start Organized Crime in the USA. Even old man Kennedy made his fortune from bootlegging booze.
Alcohol & tobacco deaths are more than every other drug combined. How many people get liquored-up, jump behind-the-wheel & do stupid shit like, "Watch me take this corner at 90 mph!!" A stoned person never feels the need to be an idiot. They'd be twice as safe driving, making sure they obeyed every law.
The people who are tripping ballz wouldn't even want to drive, so no problem there. I think ALL substances should be legalized & sold to people 21+ yrs of age...or make hard drugs 25+ yrs old to purchase. Hell, 100-125 yrs ago, heroin, cocaine, etc were sold in pharmacies. Why can't we revert to that once again?
Yeah I agree...why the big stink about drugs when booze & cigs kill so many people?


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: TimBuckSue]
    #22510184 - 11/11/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nope.  Not a cigarette.  It was a stupid assumption, but part of it was in phrasing.  I said liberal, though the intended sense was really just more open to human differences.


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    #22510191 - 11/11/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yep.  Portugal made a good move, in my opinion.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Sheekle]
    #22510280 - 11/11/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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im serious, im not gonna blow her cover nd say who she is tho

but shes literally famous like buncha news articles about her n shit




I know she is and she's not as "famous" as you are making her out to be...

Unless you were a super nerd you would have no idea... In fact I don't think you would know anyone.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22510300 - 11/11/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)


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im serious, im not gonna blow her cover nd say who she is tho

but shes literally famous like buncha news articles about her n shit




I know she is and she's not as "famous" as you are making her out to be...

Unless you were a super nerd you would have no idea... In fact I don't think you would know anyone.



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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22510344 - 11/11/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lol.  Snowy is right.  Most people don't know me.  Though I have had people approach me and ask if I was the girl they read about.

Also, everyone here is a nerd.  Just nerdy about drugs.  I mean, we all have accounts on a drug forum.  And most of us post a few times a day or more.  I'd call that nerdy.  Nerdy ain't bad though.


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Re: Why the f*** are people so anal about mind altering substances? (moved) [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22510610 - 11/11/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if all drugs were legalized but not sold in stores nothing would change all the stupid people would die because they were too dumb to figure out how to grow a plant basically and everyone else would stop murdering each other


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    #22510761 - 11/11/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

with availability, you end up with a shittion of junkies (sorry) and an eventual acceptance of all substances.  I cannot honestly say that I think it is in any way ethical to allow the most catastrophically addictive drugs to be produced and consumed.  On the other hand, if one chooses to use a highly addictive substance, one chooses as a rational (effectively), independent being.  I don't know.  I just don't see a reason black tar and ice should be easily at hand.


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    #22510789 - 11/11/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ADHD stims and opioid pain medication is readily available to some and is regulated/sold.

Please enlighten me on the difference.


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    #22510815 - 11/11/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

True, I suppose.  Well, I suppose it's up to the consumer.


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    #22511408 - 11/11/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People are gonna do the drugs anyway. It's better to tax and regulate them as well as produce a pure product to prevent overdoses


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    #22511458 - 11/11/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Fair enough.


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