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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Patlal]
    #22504706 - 11/10/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl2:


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Patlal]
    #22504728 - 11/10/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Of course I've heard of it.  I'm a veteran and I've posted many articles about the current funding shortage that Republicans refuse to acknowledge.




I notice you conveniently skipped over the part about people at the VA allowing thousands of serviceman and women to die to increase their bonuses, you don't mind that part? As a vet, I'd think you'd be livid about it, but I guess liberal ideology comes first. I've never served but I seem to care more about vets than you do, that's sad

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50000 Canadians go to the US for care. Roughly 0.1% of the population. Solid point Zap





And if it were superior health care, that number would be zero

I wonder which Canadians are sitting around thinking "the healthcare sucks in America, I'm gonna go THERE for my surgery!"


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22504831 - 11/10/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I notice you conveniently skipped over the part about people at the VA allowing thousands of serviceman and women to die to increase their bonuses, you don't mind that part?



First of all people didn't get bonuses "for allowing thousands of servicemen and women to die".  That's simply a lie.  Secondly, they got rid of the bonus system.

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As a vet, I'd think you'd be livid about it, but I guess liberal ideology comes first. I've never served but I seem to care more about vets than you do, that's sad



I've argued we need to close the VA funding gap to care for our servicemen and women.  Are you on board with that, or are you just delivering lip service about how much you pretend to care as your party calls for more tax cuts for the rich?

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50000 Canadians go to the US for care. Roughly 0.1% of the population. Solid point Zap



And if it were superior health care, that number would be zero



750,000 Americans travelled abroad for Medical Care in 2007

A lot more left for healthcare than came here for it.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22504851 - 11/10/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Will you guys get your heads out of your asses and go universal already. How many more clues do you need in order to realize that your fucked up private system is fucked up?

Stubborn America. Sees countries around them implement successful systems and programs. Does the opposite and fails....



What part of Canadians going over the border to pay for health care didn't make a dent in your fucking thick skull?




What part of americans going to Canada for healthcare didnt make a dent in your thick fucking skull!?! Lmao!

Single payer is clearly the way to go. Low-information idiots are the only people who can't fucking see that. The whole world pays less for healthcare, and most of them have better outcomes. Conservatives need to stop swallowing propagandist garbage.

The whole world isn't wrong. You are.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22504872 - 11/10/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

They got rid of the bonus system because they got caught

Of course vets should get the care and funding they need, that's why dems fight against them being allowed to go to private health providers:shrug:


Canada has about a tenth of the population we do, so there's that. Now show me figures for how many came from EVERY country in the world to get healthcare here, if you dare...


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22504875 - 11/10/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Will you guys get your heads out of your asses and go universal already. How many more clues do you need in order to realize that your fucked up private system is fucked up?

Stubborn America. Sees countries around them implement successful systems and programs. Does the opposite and fails....



What part of Canadians going over the border to pay for health care didn't make a dent in your fucking thick skull?




What part of americans going to Canada for healthcare didnt make a dent in your thick fucking skull!?! Lmao!

Single payer is clearly the way to go. Low-information idiots are the only people who can't fucking see that. The whole world pays less for healthcare, and most of them have better outcomes. Conservatives need to stop swallowing propagandist garbage.

The whole world isn't wrong. You are.




How's that single payer working out in Cuba, Greece and Venezuela? I'll wait...


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22504909 - 11/10/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I order my medication from Bulgari for less than 1/10 the cost. My mom flew to Costa Rica on multiple occasions for their reduced healthcare costs. He doctor th
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Bigbadwooof said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
Will you guys get your heads out of your asses and go universal already. How many more clues do you need in order to realize that your fucked up private system is fucked up?

Stubborn America. Sees countries around them implement successful systems and programs. Does the opposite and fails....



What part of Canadians going over the border to pay for health care didn't make a dent in your fucking thick skull?




What part of americans going to Canada for healthcare didnt make a dent in your thick fucking skull!?! Lmao!

Single payer is clearly the way to go. Low-information idiots are the only people who can't fucking see that. The whole world pays less for healthcare, and most of them have better outcomes. Conservatives need to stop swallowing propagandist garbage.

The whole world isn't wrong. You are.




How's that single payer working out in Cuba, Greece and Venezuela? I'll wait...




I haven't heard of any problems with the healthcare system in those countries specifically.


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They got rid of the bonus system because they got caught

Of course vets should get the care and funding they need, that's why dems fight against them being allowed to go to private health providers:shrug:


Canada has about a tenth of the population we do, so there's that. Now show me figures for how many came from EVERY country in the world to get healthcare here, if you dare...




Please show evidence of this 'bonus program' if you're going to keep going on about it. What does Canada's population have to do with it? How does that factor in AT ALL? If anything we have more of a reason to do it, because we have far more to lose keeping the system we have.

Look up the cost of any procedure or medication in the US vs anywhere else in the world. Generally speaking, it's at LEAST double, and typically 3-10X as much. I brought up the Hep-C drug 'Sofosbuvir' in a thread a few months ago. In the US we pay $80,000 for a course of this medication. In Egypt it costs $300. That's roughly a 27,000% difference.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22505152 - 11/10/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Of course vets should get the care and funding they need, that's why dems fight against them being allowed to go to private health providers:shrug:



Dems are NOT fighting against them being allowed to go to private health providers.  PLEASE stop with the straw man arguments!  :shake:


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22505745 - 11/10/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Of course vets should get the care and funding they need, that's why dems fight against them being allowed to go to private health providers:shrug:



Dems are NOT fighting against them being allowed to go to private health providers.  PLEASE stop with the straw man arguments!  :shake:




http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/03/va-inspector-general-307k-veterans-died-waiting-for-health-care/

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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22505814 - 11/10/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
I order my medication from Bulgari for less than 1/10 the cost. My mom flew to Costa Rica on multiple occasions for their reduced healthcare costs. He doctor th
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Will you guys get your heads out of your asses and go universal already. How many more clues do you need in order to realize that your fucked up private system is fucked up?

Stubborn America. Sees countries around them implement successful systems and programs. Does the opposite and fails....



What part of Canadians going over the border to pay for health care didn't make a dent in your fucking thick skull?




What part of americans going to Canada for healthcare didnt make a dent in your thick fucking skull!?! Lmao!

Single payer is clearly the way to go. Low-information idiots are the only people who can't fucking see that. The whole world pays less for healthcare, and most of them have better outcomes. Conservatives need to stop swallowing propagandist garbage.

The whole world isn't wrong. You are.




How's that single payer working out in Cuba, Greece and Venezuela? I'll wait...




I haven't heard of any problems with the healthcare system in those countries specifically.


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They got rid of the bonus system because they got caught

Of course vets should get the care and funding they need, that's why dems fight against them being allowed to go to private health providers:shrug:


Canada has about a tenth of the population we do, so there's that. Now show me figures for how many came from EVERY country in the world to get healthcare here, if you dare...




Please show evidence of this 'bonus program' if you're going to keep going on about it. What does Canada's population have to do with it? How does that factor in AT ALL? If anything we have more of a reason to do it, because we have far more to lose keeping the system we have.

Look up the cost of any procedure or medication in the US vs anywhere else in the world. Generally speaking, it's at LEAST double, and typically 3-10X as much. I brought up the Hep-C drug 'Sofosbuvir' in a thread a few months ago. In the US we pay $80,000 for a course of this medication. In Egypt it costs $300. That's roughly a 27,000% difference.




Cheaper is always better, right? That's why I drive a Honda instead of a Cadillac, that's why I use an asus laptop instead of an alien, eat hotdogs, not those yucky steaks!


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22506026 - 11/10/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Dems are NOT fighting against them being allowed to go to private health providers.  PLEASE stop with the straw man arguments!  :shake:




http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/03/va-inspector-general-307k-veterans-died-waiting-for-health-care/

Truth hurts, doesn't it?



Can you please tell us where in your article it says democrats are fighting against vets being allowed to go to private health providers???  It's not there.  Veterans are free to get private healthcare wherever they can afford it. 

What's more, your article speaks out AGAINST the Government paying ANY money for private insurance for veterans:
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It’s time for the federal government to gradually start closing down the VA department. The move will probably take at least 20 years with a gradual reduction of benefits until the budget reaches zero. What the government could do instead is start partnering up with military charities. This doesn’t mean giving them money, but simply giving them access. If a vet is in the hospital, then the charities could be allowed to hand out information on what they do and how they help.



Are you kidding me?!?  You believe veterans should rely on CHARITY for health care?!?!?

Please don't claim you "care" about veterans.  :mad2:



Truth hurts, doesn't it?


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22506067 - 11/10/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The ACA is great for me.  Hope the Republiturds keep out of the White House.

Thanks Obama!


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22506214 - 11/10/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Please show evidence of this 'bonus program' if you're going to keep going on about it.




Evidence please. Or don't you have any? Rush Limbaugh's utterance doesn't count! :wink:

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What does Canada's population have to do with it? How does that factor in AT ALL? If anything we have more of a reason to do it, because we have far more to lose keeping the system we have.




Please respond to this. You right wingers like to cite population differences as a reason nothing but the GOP way will work in America, without any sort of supporting evidence. Population has no effect. Zero!

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Look up the cost of any procedure or medication in the US vs anywhere else in the world. Generally speaking, it's at LEAST double, and typically 3-10X as much. I brought up the Hep-C drug 'Sofosbuvir' in a thread a few months ago. In the US we pay $80,000 for a course of this medication. In Egypt it costs $300. That's roughly a 27,000% difference.




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Cheaper is always better, right? That's why I drive a Honda instead of a Cadillac, that's why I use an asus laptop instead of an alien, eat hotdogs, not those yucky steaks!




Cheaper is better, when you're talking about the EXACT SAME product, manufactured by the, wait for it, EXACT SAME COMPANY! It's a 27,000,000% difference for the exact same thing.

What is your fucking damage? Can't you understand a perfectly clear and straightforward argument?

By the way, I might add, for all that increased cost under the system you support (ie. Wasted fucking money), we have generally worse outcomes than more than 20 single payer countries.

As I said before, the whole world isn't wrong. You are.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22506262 - 11/10/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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we have generally worse outcomes than more than 20 single payer countries.




C'mon, our healthcare ranking isn't all THAT bad.  :smirk:



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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22506321 - 11/10/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Please show evidence of this 'bonus program' if you're going to keep going on about it.




Evidence please. Or don't you have any? Rush Limbaugh's utterance doesn't count! :wink:

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What does Canada's population have to do with it? How does that factor in AT ALL? If anything we have more of a reason to do it, because we have far more to lose keeping the system we have.




Please respond to this. You right wingers like to cite population differences as a reason nothing but the GOP way will work in America, without any sort of supporting evidence. Population has no effect. Zero!

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Look up the cost of any procedure or medication in the US vs anywhere else in the world. Generally speaking, it's at LEAST double, and typically 3-10X as much. I brought up the Hep-C drug 'Sofosbuvir' in a thread a few months ago. In the US we pay $80,000 for a course of this medication. In Egypt it costs $300. That's roughly a 27,000% difference.




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Cheaper is always better, right? That's why I drive a Honda instead of a Cadillac, that's why I use an asus laptop instead of an alien, eat hotdogs, not those yucky steaks!




Cheaper is better, when you're talking about the EXACT SAME product, manufactured by the, wait for it, EXACT SAME COMPANY! It's a 27,000,000% difference for the exact same thing.

What is your fucking damage? Can't you understand a perfectly clear and straightforward argument?

By the way, I might add, for all that increased cost under the system you support (ie. Wasted fucking money), we have generally worse outcomes than more than 20 single payer countries.

As I said before, the whole world isn't wrong. You are.




I tell ya what, you keep taking your foreign drugs and I'll keep taking my overpriced ones, how's that sound?

http://www.phrma.org/counterfeit-drugs

They are NOT the same thing in many cases, maybe you don't give a shit about potency, but a lot of us do, so kindly take your hate speech elsewhere.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/watered-down-chemo-drugs-given-to-1-200-cancer-patients-1.1341425

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/03/life-extending-cancer-drugs-to-be-axed-by-nhs

But hey, it's CHEAPER!:carlinorgasm:


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22506343 - 11/10/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you even bother reading your own links???

Your first link pointed to a page that discussed counterfeit drugs IN THE UNITED STATES (which also includes links to other countries).

Your second link didn't work, and I really don't know what relevance your third link has to anything.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22506420 - 11/10/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The drugs I was referring to are made by the exact same American based company. They are the exact same drugs. You're a fucking... :facepalm3:

Keep jerking off dude.

As Falcon's video stated, our healthcare system is rated 37th best worldwide, yet we pay 40% more on average than any other nation.

I know facts don't even pierce the dermis stretched over that thick fucking head of yours, but I present them anyway.


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22506464 - 11/10/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you even bother reading your own links???

Your first link pointed to a page that discussed counterfeit drugs IN THE UNITED STATES (which also includes links to other countries).

Your second link didn't work, and I really don't know what relevance your third link has to anything.




dude it's like talking to a wall

well except this one calls you an idiot and screams jargon over what you're trying to say


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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22506468 - 11/10/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The news isn’t all bad. We smoke less than the cit­izens of most oth­er coun­tries, con­sume less al­co­hol, gen­er­ally have lower blood pres­sure, and are more likely to be screened and treated for can­cer. And yet the bot­tom line is un­deni­able: The life ex­pect­ancy for Amer­ic­ans at birth now trails that of 25 oth­er coun­tries.




I'm sure paying people to stay at home and get fat and lazy has NOTHING to do with it either

http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/newsdesk/u-s-health-care-is-best-worst

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Later in life, we de­vel­op dia­betes, heart dis­ease, and chron­ic lung prob­lems more fre­quently than our in­ter­na­tion­al coun­ter­parts do.




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The availability of advanced medical technology and sophisticated training of physicians are cited as driving motivators for growth in foreigners traveling to the U.S. for medical care,[68] whereas the low costs for hospital stays and major/complex procedures at Western-accredited medical facilities abroad are cited as major motivators for American travelers.




Quality healthcare vs cheap healthcare

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Re: Losing my health insurance again [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22506588 - 11/10/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The news isn’t all bad. We smoke less than the cit­izens of most oth­er coun­tries, con­sume less al­co­hol, gen­er­ally have lower blood pres­sure, and are more likely to be screened and treated for can­cer. And yet the bot­tom line is un­deni­able: The life ex­pect­ancy for Amer­ic­ans at birth now trails that of 25 oth­er coun­tries.




I'm sure paying people to stay at home and get fat and lazy has NOTHING to do with it either

http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/newsdesk/u-s-health-care-is-best-worst

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Later in life, we de­vel­op dia­betes, heart dis­ease, and chron­ic lung prob­lems more fre­quently than our in­ter­na­tion­al coun­ter­parts do.




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The availability of advanced medical technology and sophisticated training of physicians are cited as driving motivators for growth in foreigners traveling to the U.S. for medical care,[68] whereas the low costs for hospital stays and major/complex procedures at Western-accredited medical facilities abroad are cited as major motivators for American travelers.




Quality healthcare vs cheap healthcare

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism




It's not so simple as quality vs cost. As I said earlier, in Egypt you can buy the EXACT same drug from the EXACT same American company for $300, but in America it costs $80,000. It is the EXACT same quality. EXACTLY!


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