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Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub
#22500001 - 11/09/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I'm currenly running a SGFC. Just dunk and rolled Friday (11/6) and birthed the cakes into the FC the following day(22 hours later). I birthed my first 6 out of 23 jars. My FC has room for about 6 more(probably 10 more but I don't want my cakes to be too close to the outer walls). I have another bin of the same size(~66qt I believe, will check when I get back home) that I would like to make a monotub with instead of drilling a shit ton of holes in it, completing my first flushes in a SGFC, then would have to buy a new bin for my next project which I have decided on a monotub. I have looked around for other threads, but can't seem to find any concrete answers. I see people saying it's been done and that's as far as they seem to go.
Question 1.) Let's say I birth 6 more into my SGFC, leaving 11 cakes total that still need about 10-12 days before being dunked. could I take those 11 and crumble them, mix them with more sterilized BRF/Verm cakes that haven't been inoculated, and make a somewhat "bulk" substrate that I could put right into a monotub? -Note for my first question, I know using bulk methods you want a better/true bulk substrate than BRF cakes, and cakes aren't totally designed to be used in the manner Which I'm proposing. I mainly would like to get a feel for "dialing in" a monotub and just get those basics down before I buy wbs and make a real bulk substrate
Question 2- could I prepare a wbs substrate and mix my 11 cakes in with that to further colonize my wbs? Note for question 2, this is most likely not the option I would go even if it were possible, as id like to use up strictly the remaining colonized cakes + cakes I decided not to inoculate. I didn't bother inoculating more jars because I plan on starting some agar dishes so I can move beyond SGFC, to me inoculating more jars would have just stretched out the time between my final flush and beginning preparing my monotub.
Question 3- if I were to crumble my remaining cakes, would dunking be necessary? -Note for question 3- To me, the dry verm roll after dunking would seemingly be pointless if I am then going to be further colonizing more BRF substrate in typical monotub fashion.
Please let me know if I am totally wrong and looking at this all backwards, from what I have gathered and concluded based on reading about monotubs, I would essentially have more total area in the same container that can provide pinning which would lead to more of the wonderful fruits we all love so dearly. Thanks to whoever took the time to read this thread and can give me some solid answers !
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ars]
#22500924 - 11/09/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad you asked this question. I am fairly new to mycology (pretty new poster to this forum, been reading books and forums awhile however.) and have some BRF jars pretty much ready to birth. I was thinking of doing sort of the same thing at a 1:1 ratio BRF to WBS for a fast colonization time. Than casing in a mono. I am also going to birth some into my sgfc just dunking and rolling to compare. But I'm feeling more comfortable with this hobby and am looking to expand my horizons. I look forward to to hearing experienced members opinions and input! I think from what I've read and am about to do yours should work as well!
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ling Ling]
#22500950 - 11/09/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My last post didn't really answer your questions. So for what my opinion is worth Ill give my answer to each question.
Q1: yes it should work with your BRF jars however I'd personally save them and crumble what you have with the WBS or poo or something of the sort.
Q2: yes I would spawn the WBS substrate with BRF cakes.( I already have WBS on hand so I'm privy to it)
Q3: yes I would dunk cakes for the rehydration but I would not roll in verm. No need.
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ling Ling]
#22500967 - 11/09/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Similar answers to last post.
1 - You could crumble the cakes and case with verm in a tray or spawn it to coir and mix up, but you couldn't use extra uncolonized BRF as a bulk material, as you'd contam almost immediately
2 - Risky, contam most likely would occur almost immediately in the WBS as you have to scrape the dry verm layer off of your PF cakes before breaking it up and using it for the WBS
3 - Yes you can dunk them before crumble
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ling Ling]
#22500971 - 11/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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honestly i would take 11 cakes and spawn them to a 27 qtish size mono tub with coir(half a brick) for your second question i would not bother if your saying to start colonizing your wbs jars with your cakes, cakes are not always clean as they utilize a dry verm layer which holds mold spores while your cake colonizes, i would start colonizing your wbs jars in a more traditional forum. No need to dunk cakes if you're spawning them.
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#22500998 - 11/09/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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check out my journal. it's in progress but it may help you out a bit.
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: newrook]
#22501017 - 11/09/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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will do
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#22501051 - 11/09/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: will do
I meant the OP ya big jokester
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ars]
#22501066 - 11/09/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: honestly i would take 11 cakes and spawn them to a 27 qtish size mono tub with coir(half a brick) for your second question i would not bother if your saying to start colonizing your wbs jars with your cakes, cakes are not always clean as they utilize a dry verm layer which holds mold spores while your cake colonizes, i would start colonizing your wbs jars in a more traditional forum. No need to dunk cakes if you're spawning them.
^This^ You cannot use the colonized cakes and spawn to uncolonized brf or WBS open air into a monotub if that is what you are asking, that would be contam city. You want to spawn those cakes to a bulk substrate like coir as said above.
Here is a good link for starting out in bulk, preparing WBS, dialing in a tub ect. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163 Good luck!
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: NDStepp84]
#22502548 - 11/09/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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thank you all for the responses. Such a relief to see people helping others succeed rather than bashing them. I had pretty much come to the conclusion shortly after writing the uncolonized BRF question that id basically be setting myself up for failure. That would defeat the whole purpose of sterilization in the first place! I think I may just crumble into small trays and case, and utilize the SGFC while I can get my hands dirty (they will be clean ) with some agar, try my hand at a little isolation, then make a master jar from there which I will then use to get my monotub going . I Think I may just keep my 6 cakes in my shotgun plus add a small cased tray or 2 and work on my monotub from scratch as my cakes&trays in the SGFC progress. Don't want to stray too far from my original setup/budget I gave myself for my first attempt. I have read a bunch of Frank's stuff and I am thoroughly impressed with how easy they are to follow. You all are great
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Re: Several questions regarding crumbling cakes into a monotub [Re: Ars]
#22502662 - 11/09/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like a plan, Check out the link in my signature to pasty's no pour agar, super easy. You don't even have to shoot for an isolate, put some spores to agar, transfer a time or two until you are sure it's clean then drop some wedges or whole plates onto grain.
The sooner you get started with agar the better, you could clone a nice one from your current grow, use your own spores from prints, also start countless grows from one drop from a spore syringe. The options go on and on. Best of luck and looking forward to seeing your progress
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Links and teks ND's grow log and discussion Plant thread
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