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oontribe

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p.mexicana question
#22499066 - 11/09/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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its ok to fruit p.mexicana after a month or two after fully colonization?
i know its better to fruit it after the 100% mark directly but its a stone producer so its cool to leave it a couple of months, right?
or would you store it in the fridge after fully colonized.
much appreciated.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: oontribe]
#22499113 - 11/09/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I pretty sure you can take the stones then spawn/fruit the grain: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649
Stonesun spawns it to something, forget what, violet fruits the cased grain. I would suspect that watermass is a lot less important with maxicana since the fruits and yields are so small compared to cubensis, and accordingly the water demands.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Violet



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You're correct! Though yield with both should almost definitely be better if they were to have more water. I'm not much for the grain dunking teks, but I always consider doing it with a bit of sterilized water in my clean workspace. If the grains for the stones were very well hydrated, and didn't dry out much over the formation time period, I'd say go for the safer bet and just fruit them as-is. But if there are lots of stones to be plucked out, and you can tell the grains are kinda dry, it is fairly necessary to give them more water or they'll just steal it from the casing layer, adding to dryness problems in the casing layer and maybe limiting your flushes if you get any.
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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: Violet]
#22500360 - 11/09/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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stonesun uses 50/50 coir and manure i believe
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oontribe

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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: cronicr]
#22500499 - 11/09/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright...because i am going to travel for a month i am gonna leave the fully colonized jars in a room temp not in the fridge give or take a few days...when i come back ill dunk em if they are dry and then spawn to CVG (dont want to use manure really) and case with peat/verm and calcium carbonate.
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Violet



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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: oontribe]
#22500881 - 11/09/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're going to spawn to a bulk substrate, no need to dunk the grains. I would consider it an unnecessary step with no real advantage and a potential risk.
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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: Violet]
#22502525 - 11/09/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think dunking grains is riskier with mexicana/old spawn? Personally I'd be inclined to dunk and fruit the straight grain, whenever I get a philostone print. Does bottomwatering not work on the CSG? I found it worked with broken up and cased cubes, though probably not as well as v-tek containers.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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oontribe

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Its nice that everyone got his own way...variety is good.
Frank dunked tamp jars.
Is it different with mexicana or because ill dunk fully colonized +1 month jar? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/17616982
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Violet



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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: oontribe]
#22504227 - 11/10/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Regardless if any potential advantage of dunking Cubensis grains, I don't think it's worth it for these more challenging species because their fruits are so small. Using any bulk substrate should provide more than enough moisture, and I feel strongly that beginners, or first-timers with the species, should keep it simple and bank on getting spores for the next round.
Machi, I've watered both trays and small tubs of Galindoi straight grain and it did give me several flushes sometimes but others I got the green after just one or two. Maybe it's not a direct cause of the early contamination when it happened, but I believe it might be, and the fact that the green formed in the bottom where the water was does seem to suggest it may be partly responsible. My method was 'injecting' it below the casing layer, and I wouldn't be against doing that again.
The difference is that the grains are broken up, and the "recolonization" really just involves the myc on the grain puffing back up and connecting. IME they don't grow back over with the same dense unity that makes the original grow out so cake-like, and I think that greatly effects how the water is handled when sitting in it. It definitely makes it worse that we use such larger grains for sclerotia.
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Re: p.mexicana question [Re: Violet]
#22504933 - 11/10/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dunk everything, it's 10 minutes of my time and i see no risk involved, no needed by any means though.

 Nice to see ya violet
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