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InvisibleZippoZM
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How can i suceed from the union?
    #2249901 - 01/18/04 05:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Xan i and my property, sucede from the united states of america?
Is such a thing possible?
if so why not?


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2249956 - 01/18/04 06:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

do it and they'll attack u....refer to the apache helicopter video


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2250233 - 01/18/04 12:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know about your property, although I think there is away you can claim a piece of land tax free (besides using the religion clause), but you can withdraw yourself as a ward of the United States Corporation, and become a sovereign American National. This severs your official ties to the United States Corporation- thus you will have no driver's license, social security number etc. anymore. This means you probably will be very limited (if not completely limited) in the job market since nearly all jobs require a social security number, as well as any other service that the state provides. Also, the United States Corporation does not look too fondly on doing this, and you will probably run into a number of hassles if you choose to do so.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2250249 - 01/18/04 12:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

suceed, declare war, fire 1 shot into the air and surrender, collect war reparation, theres billions in it for you.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2250510 - 01/18/04 03:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

an excellent start would be to learn the correct spelling of the word.  :tongue:


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ]
    #2251257 - 01/18/04 08:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Damn you, mushmaster. I knew someone would beat me to that.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2252340 - 01/19/04 11:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'll second that...


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ]
    #2252732 - 01/19/04 02:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
an excellent start would be to learn the correct spelling of the word.  :tongue:




I dont have to know how to spell murder to do it, I would just have to know how to get to your house  :grin:


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2252747 - 01/19/04 02:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

no you can't but i'm sure many would be happy if you left the country.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2252822 - 01/19/04 03:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i've declared my own living space as an independant republic, but i haven't made this known to the international community and it's not recognized by any other countries. the laws are pretty relaxed here, but the armed forces are in dire shape. if the US ever decided to invade, i wouldn't have much of a chance of keeping them out, so i try to keep low to avoid such an invasion.

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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ]
    #2253339 - 01/19/04 06:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

wow, lets make some more comments about my bad spelling, yeah...
all i want to know is what one would have to do to become an independant nation.

to the best of my recolection, i would have to be oficially recognised by another country. is this correct?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2253452 - 01/19/04 06:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

zippoz said:
wow, lets make some more comments about my bad spelling, yeah...
all i want to know is what one would have to do to become an independant nation.

to the best of my recolection, i would have to be oficially recognised by another country. is this correct?




I'm not sure that their is even protocol for it. I'd recommend contacting the United Nations if you were truely serious about this, but when you look at Israel, you can see that even nations that are declared nations by the UN are still subject to having their borders questioned and being attacked for it.

Since the US has the right of imminent domain, you don't even really "own" the land that you own. I don't think it is possible to seperate from the union and form your own nation. I'm sure that their are some Constitutional protections that prevent it. The way that the thinking of it woul go is as follows. You might be the person that currently owns that piece of land, but you aren't the sole owner of it. It is a part of a large entity called the United States of America. Thus, if you wanted to secede from the union, you wouldn't be able to do so in America. You could renounce your citizenship (which would mean you'd be deported to somewhere else), but you can't just claim your land as your own. IT would be nice to do that, but I'm afraid it's not possible.

Actually, I bet that if you had a LARGE chunk of the nation wanting to do so, you could succeed (that is, accomplish the goal, don't want my spelling brought into question here!). Maybe if you had all of California wantingt oseperate from the union, and the entire military populace in that state was on your side (thus giving you control of numerous nuclear devices) you could do so under t hreat. I wouldn't see a real reason for it, tho.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2253966 - 01/19/04 09:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have entirely too much time on my hands...

Here is what I have gathered about secession from a soverign nation.

http://www.historychannel.com/perl/print_book.pl?ID=112476 Is the history channel's take on secession in general.

http://www.historychannel.com/perl/print_book.pl?ID=114347 is a discussion of soverignity

That gives a bit of background on it and I'm looking for more articles.


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Re: How can i suceed from the union? [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2254409 - 01/19/04 11:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TheOneYouKnow said:
I have entirely too much time on my hands...



I'll second that. :nut:


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