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Agar Cultivation Time
    #22498439 - 11/08/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm really embarrassed to say this, but I forgot how long it should take to start seeing growth of myc in an agar plate from MS syringes. I haven't made agar dishes in a while, as I had stocked up on all the shrooms I could handle for a year. Now that I've blown through that 3 lbs, I need to make more. Now, I didn't eat all those on my own. I ended up going on a gifting spree for a while, giving people 1-2 oz at a time, just because I wanted to help them in their spiritual journeys in life.

Tomorrow, I'm going back to my grow house, and going to start up the PC again after all this time, than crank out all the agar dishes I can. My pot growing season is over, so this is the perfect time to start my mushies! :mushroom2:

While the agar is doing its thing, I'll clean all the quart jars, replace any filters that need replacing, and start making my grain jars.

By the way, I have a way of cleaning off large amounts of grains very quickly, and steam drying large amounts of them very quickly. Should I post a demonstration of what I designed to do this while I do this grow?


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22498454 - 11/08/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it can take up to a couple weeks to see growth or a couple days...yes post your demonstration


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: cronicr]
    #22498475 - 11/08/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oie, I take it this all depends on the genetics of the given strain?

Do spores in syringes last long? Also, how about spore prints? I've got a stack of spore prints about a foot tall from my best grows in the past.


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22498479 - 11/08/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

those prints will only work if you send a majority to cron:begger: lol jk syringes will last years prints even longer, not so much to do with genetics age plays it's role as well


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22498501 - 11/08/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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By the way, I have a way of cleaning off large amounts of grains very quickly, and steam drying large amounts of them very quickly. Should I post a demonstration of what I designed to do this while I do this grow?




Whole Brown Rice is by far the fastest grain I have ever used in this sense.  I can put 2qt of rice in 7-8qt of boiling water, have it hydrate in under 20 minutes (usually, varries with brand,) strain it for 10mins, throw it in a tote to evap for 10mins, and have my jars loaded in 40mins total, not counting putting up the pot of water.

The downside is that rice bursts extremely easily, so you need to stay on it.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: cronicr]
    #22498524 - 11/08/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hahaha, well, my main genetics are the ones I have from grows in my signature. The grows from these spores tend to grow large quantities of shrooms, and I always end up with a full canape. I wish the sig pics would show the dozens of pins under the shrooms. One grow, I counted 8 layers of shrooms when I was picking and they packed in tight with each other. I try not to let the caps open, but shit happens. As for the feel of them, everyone says that they give a very clean feeling trip/high.

If you're up for a swap, I always love playing around with different genetics.

Thanks for filling me in cron, I missed ya :smile:


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By the way, I have a way of cleaning off large amounts of grains very quickly, and steam drying large amounts of them very quickly. Should I post a demonstration of what I designed to do this while I do this grow?




Whole Brown Rice is by far the fastest grain I have ever used in this sense.  I can put 2qt of rice in 7-8qt of boiling water, have it hydrate in under 20 minutes (usually, varries with brand,) strain it for 10mins, throw it in a tote to evap for 10mins, and have my jars loaded in 40mins total, not counting putting up the pot of water.

The downside is that rice bursts extremely easily, so you need to stay on it.



I've been too afraid to try Whole Brown Rice. How is it? For my version, I'll be using Whole Oats, as that is what I happen to have right now.


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22498559 - 11/08/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I like it quite a bit.  Like I said it's a super fast prep, just requires you to be attentive for around 10 minutes usually.  Heard great things about oats too, but I'm not gonna pay to have them shipped to me since I live in an urbanish area.  I just go to bargainmarkets/dollartree and pay 66-70c a pound for rice.

If you like doing any v-tek or straight grain grows, it grows a lot more mycellium than oats from what I've seen.  As spawn, it's probably about the same as anything else, though on the higher nutrition side.  Seems to have a very low endospore count.

Still, I'll buy bird seed if it happens to be locally available for 25-30c a pound.  Otherwise rice.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22498600 - 11/08/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's not bad pricing. For my Whole Oats, I get 50 lbs for $8. I used to get Organic Rye Berries, but those were 50 lbs for $70. Damn guy at Whole Foods asked what kind of shrooms I'm growing without a second of hesitation. I like how well Whole Oats recovers compared to Organic Rye Berries.


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22498637 - 11/08/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, nothing can really compete with that whole oat pricing if you don't have to pay shipping.  You get 2.5x as much as I get WBS for the same price.  I think even cracked corn is in that range, and that's like the shittiest spawn grain of all time.  Still, I spend more on coir than grains.  Hopefully I can cut that out eventually.

I'm curious if I can re-use my the spent subs that go into my compost heap in a few years with proper pasteurization.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22499440 - 11/09/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, coconut coir is very tough stuff. The only thing that can seam to break it down, is fungi. Its possible that you may be able to reuse it after it goes through compost, though I can't be fully sure. Try it, eh?

As for coir, I don't find the 10 lbs for $15 to be too bad. I end up buying 5 of those at a time, and they last me a good while.


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Stargate]
    #22499524 - 11/09/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Best local price I've found is $12 for half a ki.  Maybe I should scower some hydroponics shops.  People sure love weed around here, so I'm sure there's a bunch of them.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22499531 - 11/09/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, nothing can really compete with that whole oat pricing if you don't have to pay shipping.  You get 2.5x as much as I get WBS for the same price.  I think even cracked corn is in that range, and that's like the shittiest spawn grain of all time.  Still, I spend more on coir than grains.  Hopefully I can cut that out eventually.

I'm curious if I can re-use my the spent subs that go into my compost heap in a few years with proper pasteurization.




ive cut my coir costs in half in the past few months by incorporating straw into my cvg tubs at 50% and i use pre shredded straw that's 10$ a bale which is a bit pricey for straw but ive made 20 tubs at least and still have quite a bit left although i haven't factored in the price for the additional pasteurization but i think its still saving money


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: tetherface]
    #22499566 - 11/09/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have two bales of straw actually.  I was trying to mix my spawn with like 30% coir, then layer that into 70% straw.  Ended in green every time with only like 1/3 of the tubs putting out a single flush.  Not sure why, it seemed like a good idea, and the spawn was done with agar with different source plates...

So yeah, I'm a bit gunshy on the straw right now.  I wonder if I got the wrong kind, forgot to ask the craigslist people what it was.  Don't know if they knew, it was for benches.

I've been trying some sort of, all straw and grass seed muda bottles.  Sure WBS would be fine as well.  My LI didn't seem to rock it the way I hoped.  I'm gonna try some slurry on the next round.  I really cook the shit out of the straw to try and unlock as much nutrition as possible, then prep my grains in the same pot, and add 15% dryish coir to suck up any extra water.  I'm guessing some of those air pockets due to the straw are gonna sidepin like mofuckas, and they will need to be fruited as cakes.  My initial idea was to use them for oysters, but then I had a cube plate ready not an oyster plate sooooooo :vibin:


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22499675 - 11/09/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i totally hear you on the straw failures i failed miserably the first 3-4 times:drgonz: made a few tweaks to my pasteurization methods and started using it as an ingredient/additive and hve seen great success :shrug: TBH i still cant get a 100% straw mono to go past the first flush without going green even sometimes at the end of the first flush. as to you buying the right straw i believe as long as it doesn't have the seeds/tops its good. That's cool AF that you use the water all throughout your prep process im gonna give that a try:thumbup:


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: tetherface]
    #22499717 - 11/09/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well I hydrated what little coir I used on the dry side (1.5cups/82g) in them with grass seed/straw water.  But it's more that it let's me be lazy about straining the seed/straw by adding a moisture sink/space filler.  I've tried grainwater in open air bulk coir, not good, though of course the first time I tried it it worked...

That straw water is interesting on its own though.  SUPER dark, at least if you boil the straw in it for like 10 minutes.  I don't know what's in there, but I found it quite appealing.  I was actually wondering if might be helpful for getting pans to like agar more.

What changes did you make to your straw prep?  I was trying detergent + 2 hr under 180 waterbath.  Then I tried 140-150 in a tote with bleach and lime.  That one ended up in a few sprouts lol.  Seeing that azur thread made me think I should just use a vanilla hot water pasteurization.  I did get one straight straw tray to go, but it only yielded like 1/2o when it should have been at least 3/4-1o.  I've seen suggestions all over the map in terms of temp, time, and additives.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Agar Cultivation Time [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22500069 - 11/09/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i started like you cheap dry laundry soap in a cooler kept close to 150 fail then tried same with lime fail then tried cold pasteurization from leftover oysters with soap/lime fail but 1 of 3 did live and the oysters did great then i switched to prepping a bit smaller amounts in my pc at 170-175 with no additives and haven't looked back well i throw a lil gypsum in at the end plus a 2 hr soak with a a lil dish soap rr style but i did that with all preps except cold i don't know why this is but i didn't go overboard with the lime or soap stuck to the tek and failed except the cold prep straw for oysters that works every time so far dunno it may just be the pre shredded straw i use


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