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Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again?
#22498290 - 11/08/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not believe that I left my casing layer incubated for as long as i should've. I was wondering if I can just recover the casing/ substrate and put it back in darkness and a higher temperature and have the mycelium start going through the casing layer once again?
When I first started I wasn't getting enough FAE so my mycelium running stopped and also possibly too moist. Moved it to a shotgun chamber and got a couple mushies but then stopped again. Anyone have any luck doing this, or issues with this before? Thanks for the help!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498307 - 11/08/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do no recase, just gives mold spores the upper hand
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498322 - 11/08/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not thinking of recasing, should have been more clear. I just mean putting what I already cased back into darkness and a higher temp! Would this allow for some mycelium growth in about a week or two? Then put it back in the fruiting chamber once the mycelium grows, IF it grows! What r ur thoughts?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498329 - 11/08/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No once it is in fruiting it wants fruiting conditions which is why it stopped colonizing the casing layer, I would just up the fae if anything
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498362 - 11/08/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, I'll give it a shot! Thanks man!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498366 - 11/08/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck and keep us pisted......with pics
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498382 - 11/08/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks!! And what's the best way to post pics? Copy paste? New to shroomery...
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498393 - 11/08/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Upload them here first then copy n paste the code
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498431 - 11/08/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like this?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498447 - 11/08/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498452 - 11/08/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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that looks pretty good i'd say get more fae and you should see more pins on top
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498462 - 11/08/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Give me about 5 min and I'll post one that I just took! The mycelium on top is not nearly as good as before... Let me get ur thoughts on that!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498589 - 11/08/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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More recent!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498599 - 11/08/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy crap, my phone was bein a doosh... Took me long enough to upload these!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498607 - 11/08/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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just make sure it is well hydrated!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498608 - 11/08/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Do no recase, just gives mold spores the upper hand
Oops 
Y u no holla @ mi suner. Yu troll??
*runs back home to remove*
Nah ill end up dropping the whole thing on the ground. Guess I better see what happens
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498615 - 11/08/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498623 - 11/08/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498628 - 11/08/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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How moist is moist enough?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498633 - 11/08/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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dunk it for a couple hours
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: cronicr]
#22498640 - 11/08/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dunk my casing... How should I go about doing this??
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498649 - 11/08/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unless you filled the jar with water before spawning using that tek running around the forum (im sorry for its OP I forgot the name).
That way it should have enough water for the first flush for sure
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498655 - 11/08/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whoa mate hold yer horses. We heard ya . Just dunk I The whole thing in a bucket and rinse off anything the myc hasn't partialky colonised. Although you think it didnt colonise anything its probably half way up the casing. Thats enough to hold the micro climate. You dont want a soaking wet casing.
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498663 - 11/08/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could I pour water into the sides of my casing? Let is sit about 8 hours then remove the excess water?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498665 - 11/08/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry about sending that 3 times... Didn't notice it was put onto a different page!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498670 - 11/08/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: Whoa mate hold yer horses. We heard ya . Just dunk I The whole thing in a bucket and rinse off anything the myc hasn't partialky colonised. Although you think it didnt colonise anything its probably half way up the casing. Thats enough to hold the micro climate. You dont want a soaking wet casing.
How do I dunk without soaking the casing?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498676 - 11/08/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No problem. I was just pulling your leg. Got nothing else to do while waiting for the supermarket to open. Most of the shroomery is sound asleep I think. Darn American time zones. Wheres company when you needed.
( this would be a good time to have inocuole around the mush cult *hint hint* *coughscofieldcough*
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498680 - 11/08/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do I literally submerge the whole casing and let the excess casing layer fall off? Won't this soak the layer? Or is that ok?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498685 - 11/08/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: No problem. I was just pulling your leg. Got nothing else to do while waiting for the supermarket to open. Most of the shroomery is sound asleep I think. Darn American time zones. Wheres company when you needed.
( this would be a good time to have inocuole around the mush cult *hint hint* *coughscofieldcough*
It's 11:58 pm here, I'm in colorado! I'm just a night guy, especially when wanting to fix my casing issues pronto! the sooner the better!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498686 - 11/08/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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. just dunk the whole thing andwhen you pull it out after a few hours just see if there is still a lot of uncolonised casing on top. It will probably run off during the dunk but if it doesn't give it a gentle rinse to expose some mycelium. Mycelium dries pretty quickly during my experience with some pf cakes I recently made. Having a lotta soaking wet extra casing would be a vector for contams or pooling on the mycelium IMO. Better to avoid it.
Did you add water to your grain jars before you spawned by the way? If yes you dont really have to dunk.
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498688 - 11/09/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498703 - 11/09/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I bough these jars, colonized them and then put them with straw after soaking the straw in boilin water for about an hour or two... So it was prolly relatively dry! Oops... I'll dunk from now until 6 am! 6 hours! Think that will be enough time? Or just dunk and clear some casing, then put back in the shotgun tub?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498737 - 11/09/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just dunked it! Gonna head to bed and then pull it out in about 4.5 hours! Some of the casing instantly came off, prolly put too much! Thanks for the help! I'll post tomorrow and tell you how the dunking went!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22498906 - 11/09/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No definitely not too much. Probably just enough. You want some mycelium to show or else it will pool in the middle of your substrate.
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22499088 - 11/09/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of casing came off and it felt pretty damn moist! It's now back in my shotgun with the light on for 12 hours! Should evaporate decently quickly with how I have my tub and light! I'll post pics when stuff starts happening! Thanks again!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22500638 - 11/09/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Goodluck friend.
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22534378 - 11/16/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, that got me about 2 more mushies switching to the shotgun... I think my initial casing could have been better, just gonna stick with cakes for a while I think! Tried my Cambodians it gave me me though, had about 3g dried.... DAMN, they were great! Didn't remember them being that way! Went for a good 7 hours... Woo, good stuff! Grinding and putting them in capsules worked great, I like the smell but the taste gets me... Thanks for the help!!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22534455 - 11/16/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rock on man, you get some cakes going keep us posted I can't stand the taste/texture either. I grind them in a coffee bean grinder and stuff capsules as well. Dosen't take as long to kick in as one would think, and when they do... Also they stay good closed up in caps in a air tight bottle and it's easy to open them up and dump out for lemon tek or tea.
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22577571 - 11/26/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are some of my mushies that started growing! I took many of the cakes out a bit early... Except for the one you see poppin mushies already! Will it effect mushroom growth if I have taken them out a bit early?? Or will pinning just take longer??That one had pins before taking it out of the jar which is why it's doing so well!! I have 12 cakes so far... I have 3 more comin shortly and am going to wait a bit longer til I see pins to dunk n roll those!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22577649 - 11/26/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least a week of consolidation is recommended, if you birth them as soon as they are 100% they will sit in the fruiting chamber consolidating before they pin, you don't have to wait until you see pins, but if you do see pins and they are 100% they are definitely ready to go.
Are those cakes sitting directly on the perlite? If so get foil or jar lids under them asap. They will start to grow into the perlite causing problems. Other than that looks good, you could probably use a few more holes. Make sure you have holes in the bottom and the lid as well, 1/4" holes 2" apart in a grid on all 6 sides. Also something under it like jars to elevate it off the surface.
Mist cakes directly until glistening repeat when not.
Edit- what's that wire coming out of the chamber?
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22577709 - 11/26/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, thay are sitting right on the perlite.... I will cut up some foil and place it under the cakes or use the lids! Thanks for that... I'll try to add some more holes too... Gonna be trickier now... But I'll give it a go! and I do have holes on all sides! The wire coming out of the chamber is my temp and humidity gauge!
Thanks for the info, I'll get something under those babies by the end of the day, gonna go get fat and happy first!
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: Leeper]
#22577927 - 11/26/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah definitely get them out of the perlite, they will grow into it, waisting energy and possibly getting water logged. Also no need for a humidity gauge. Humidity in a SGFC will fluctuate, which is desired because if the humidity is always high no evaporation can occur and evaporation off the surface of the cake is a major pinning trigger. The only place humidity matters is on the surface of the cake and you can't measure that, it is achieved by misting until glistening repeat when not, for me works out to 2 to 3 times a day. People screw up watching a hygrometer and trying to keep humidity high, just look at your cakes.
If built and operated to spec all you should have to do with a SGFC is mist a few times a day and that's it. Basic principles of a SGFC
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Re: Casing, fruiting then grow mycelium through casing then fruiting again? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22579180 - 11/26/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will do that ASAP!! And I was using a fish tank at first... So it was useful, I use it more for temp, my humidity fluctuates from the 70s to the 90s when I mist! I'm a teacher, so when school starts up again I will start misting approximately three times a day. One in the morning one at about 4:30 PM and then another at around 9 to 10 at night before bed. How much misting is too much misting? I know that cooling on the cakes is not a good sign, but is there anything else to go by?
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