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OfflineShreality
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First timer setup
    #22497764 - 11/08/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, I'm pretty new at this and me and my buddy built(what I think is pretty sweet) this box. I have a humidifier on top of the box with some metal tubing running down into the box. There's also a fluorescent light also from the top of the box(we try to keep the light on 12 hours and off the other 12, but it's closer to 24 hours on). The temp is usually in the lower 80's and the humidity is at 90%. I would love some feedback about what you guys think.http:// http://


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22497787 - 11/08/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Might work alright.  You at least want some holes (either shotgun or monotub configuration) to get some FAE going and promote evaporation at the substrate surface.  Surface humidity is the crucial factor, not chamber humidity.

It may be difficult to adjust a chamber such as that correctly.

All in all, that chamber is way more complex than PF tek requires.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First timer setup [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22497820 - 11/08/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry I forgot to add that i do have holes in the box. The holes are all over the box, about 2" away from each other


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22497843 - 11/08/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well then, if you can adjust the timer on the ultrasonic correctly, it should basically do the misting/fanning for you.

Look for waterdroplets/glistening on the surface of the cakes, but not pooling.  You may need to take the cakes out and mist the perlite anyway, since I suspect the quantity of water deposited on the perlite by the USH may not be sufficient to replenish it.

My off the cuff guess might be about 3-5 minutes every 3-5 hours.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First timer setup [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22497855 - 11/08/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Wait whats the ultrasonic? Sorry if i dont know a lot of the lingo on here, im still learning.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22497863 - 11/08/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Shreality said:There's also a fluorescent light also from the top of the box(we try to keep the light on 12 hours and off the other 12, but it's closer to 24 hours on).




Search Amazon or go to a local hardware store and you can find an outlet timer for ~$10. I got this two pack from Amazon on sale for $14. One less thing for you to remember to do twice a day.

Ultrasonic is a common humidifier brand, he's just referring to that.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22497867 - 11/08/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ultrasonic humidifier is what I assume that thing is.  Certainly looks like one.  Commonly refered to as USH.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First timer setup [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22497881 - 11/08/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh! yes it is. So i do need to spray the perlite? The humidifier is keeping it pretty wet


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22497935 - 11/08/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps not then.  You will have to determine these kind of these for yourself when using an oddball setup like that.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First timer setup [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22497955 - 11/08/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok thanks for the advice. Do you think these are ideal conditions for b+?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22498242 - 11/08/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm I would guess no. I would go with an easy to follow tek - those that people have figured out as working very well - then there is no guess work. But if you cover the basics like passive air exchange and humidity then you will likely succeed, though I would suggest trying monotubs with grain spawn and coir(search these terms in the search bar). There is no automation - makes it hard to mess up for idiots like meeeee. Good luck with your fruiting chamber though.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: filthyknees]
    #22499985 - 11/09/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I will definitely check those out. I think im doing ok because im getting a ton of pins all over the cakes. I even have some that are almost fully grown.http://http://


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22500010 - 11/09/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I will definitely check those out. I think im doing ok because im getting a ton of pins all over the cakes. I even have some that are almost fully grown.http://http://




Hey! So do you take the lid off at least once a day and fan it?  I say that because you may not be getting enough FAE( Fresh Air Exchange)

I do like your growing setup looks cool, i was thinking of going that way at first but decided on a normal SCFC and then during that im gonna try a monotub


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22500120 - 11/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I do fan it at least once a day. Should I do it more? And I'm thinking of doing a monotub next. Let me know how yours does.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22500213 - 11/09/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What would you think about putting a fan in the box on a timer so I won't have to fan it out?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22500263 - 11/09/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

will do I just inoculated my PF jars Saturday night.  Next Sunday tells me whether I fucked up or not lol


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22500274 - 11/09/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I thought about doing this with fans before and everyone told me it was a bad idea, so I would stay away from fans.

So i guess if your fanning it at least once a day your good.  But I would stick a couple holes similar to a mono tub in it for Gas Exchange with a polyfill stuffing in each hole as a filter.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22500295 - 11/09/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I shouldn't have as many holes? And what's polyfill?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22500901 - 11/09/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

polyfill is basically pillow stuffing. you can get it at crafting stores


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Re: First timer setup [Re: bluealoha]
    #22501019 - 11/09/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

basic principles of the SGFC no polyfill, lots of holes, lots of success :thumbup:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22501140 - 11/09/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Aliasbane said:
Quote:

Shreality said:
I will definitely check those out. I think im doing ok because im getting a ton of pins all over the cakes. I even have some that are almost fully grown.http://http://




Hey! So do you take the lid off at least once a day and fan it?  I say that because you may not be getting enough FAE( Fresh Air Exchange)

I do like your growing setup looks cool, i was thinking of going that way at first but decided on a normal SCFC and then during that im gonna try a monotub



Fanning is not FAE.

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spacechildo said:
basic principles of the SGFC no polyfill, lots of holes, lots of success :thumbup:



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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22501174 - 11/09/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

opps sorry


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22501221 - 11/09/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You need about a hundred more holes in that tub. Better get drillin'! :wink:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22501314 - 11/09/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh ok that's easy to get. In the mean time my cakes have a ton of pins on them today! And a lot of them are getting big. How many more holes?http://


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #22501330 - 11/09/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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basic principles of the SGFC no polyfill, lots of holes, lots of success :thumbup:



Follow the link for best success


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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22501354 - 11/09/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22501361 - 11/09/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22502093 - 11/09/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Is that the same thing you do for a mono tub?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22502131 - 11/09/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There really isn't that much in common, as far as construction, between mono tubs and SGFC's. They both use plastic tubs and grow mushrooms...similarities end there.

One other thing to check out with your setup. Are the cakes sitting directly on the perlite? If so then you should get some foil or a jar lid under those cakes. When the cakes sit on the perlite the moisture from the cakes gets sucked out by the perlite.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22502483 - 11/09/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey! So do you take the lid off at least once a day and fan it?  I say that because you may not be getting enough FAE( Fresh Air Exchange)





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Fanning is not FAE.





To expand a bit more: All those holes that should be in your SGFC, or the six holes that should be in your monotub are what gives you the FAE. Air is drawn through them and recycled many times every hour. This helps keep carbon dioxide and oxygen in proper balance throughout the growing cycle. Fanning provides some air exchange, but unless you are doing it every 10-15 minutes it won't be enough. The purpose of fanning is to help moisture evaporate from the cakes, which is one of many pinning triggers.

In summary, for a SGFC, you want a lot of small holes to promote air exchange and want to fan at least a couple times per day to encourage more pinning. Good luck though, I'm all for experimenting and seeing what works. Helps to have a solid knowledge base of the standard teks though. More important than just following the teks blindly is understanding the "why" behind each step if you really want to learn and expand the knowledge base of the community as a whole. Otherwise you're just throwing shit at a wall.

TC's feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still in the learning process, actually simmering bird seed for my first grain and monotub grow as I type :grin:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shabs]
    #22503531 - 11/10/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I second the humidity on substrate level. Took me my first two times winging it before i looked it up and figured out thats where my eff up was.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22503848 - 11/10/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I  would suggest building a proper SGFC and using the humidifier as a supplement.

So when your peerlite and cakes look dry, turn your humidifier on for about 5-10 minutes to get everything wet again, then turn it off.

The perlite and cakes will dry out in 1-2 days, depending on ambient conditions in your room.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22504189 - 11/10/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if you have a properly built sgfc then a humidifier is not needed.

Also the current setup has no where near enough perlite....you can see the bottom of the tub in the pics.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: psilobob]
    #22504321 - 11/10/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: You want at least 5-6 inches of hydrated perlite.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22504638 - 11/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't bother with the humidifier. From what I have read they cause more issues than anything.
You shouldn't have your cakes directly on the perlite..
Misting THEN fanning 3x a day is much more effective and the evaporation is a major major pin indicator.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Arush]
    #22504914 - 11/10/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The reson that there isn't perlit in some places is because the humidifier used to be in the box but I just haven't evened it all out. And I also have the cakes sitting on mason jar lids


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Re: First timer setup [Re: psilobob]
    #22505103 - 11/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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if you have a properly built sgfc then a humidifier is not needed.

Also the current setup has no where near enough perlite....you can see the bottom of the tub in the pics.




It seems to me that the humidifer could do the work that misting does.

Or is that an incorrect assumption?

the alternative is to run the humidifer outside the SGFC one or two times a day if his room gets dry then add more perlite to his SGFC.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22506106 - 11/10/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So is it necessary to most and have a humidifier?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22506117 - 11/10/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

pf-tek just mist the cakes and perlite when the cakes no longer glisten with moisture.
no humidifier.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22506292 - 11/10/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok well I already have a humidifier so would both do more damage than good?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22506376 - 11/10/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

cakes need to dry between mistings. so it depends on how its used.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22506477 - 11/10/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People have used them with success, but IMO for a first grow to follow the tek exactly, learn the life cycle and what thing are supposed to be like so you can diagnose problems before experimenting. After you have success and have the tek down to a T, and fully understand what's going on and why experiment away. This will greatly increase your chances for success.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22511701 - 11/11/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok quick question, so I made these jars and inoculated them with the rest of my b+ spores but one has the weird black bumps on the side. They almost look like pins but I can't really tell. http://


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22511740 - 11/11/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not pins IMO.  Looks like some type of spore heavy black mold mold I've seen a few times.  Not too common, and it doesn't look too deep.  I'd just ride it out, then open it outdoors when it hits 100% and scrape that off.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22513320 - 11/12/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If I scraped it off after colonization hit 100% would it still be good to be put on the fruiting chamber?


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