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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22501140 - 11/09/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I will definitely check those out. I think im doing ok because im getting a ton of pins all over the cakes. I even have some that are almost fully grown.http://http://




Hey! So do you take the lid off at least once a day and fan it?  I say that because you may not be getting enough FAE( Fresh Air Exchange)

I do like your growing setup looks cool, i was thinking of going that way at first but decided on a normal SCFC and then during that im gonna try a monotub



Fanning is not FAE.

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basic principles of the SGFC no polyfill, lots of holes, lots of success :thumbup:



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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22501174 - 11/09/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

opps sorry


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22501221 - 11/09/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You need about a hundred more holes in that tub. Better get drillin'! :wink:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Aliasbane]
    #22501314 - 11/09/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh ok that's easy to get. In the mean time my cakes have a ton of pins on them today! And a lot of them are getting big. How many more holes?http://


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #22501330 - 11/09/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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basic principles of the SGFC no polyfill, lots of holes, lots of success :thumbup:



Follow the link for best success


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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22501354 - 11/09/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22501361 - 11/09/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22502093 - 11/09/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Is that the same thing you do for a mono tub?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22502131 - 11/09/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There really isn't that much in common, as far as construction, between mono tubs and SGFC's. They both use plastic tubs and grow mushrooms...similarities end there.

One other thing to check out with your setup. Are the cakes sitting directly on the perlite? If so then you should get some foil or a jar lid under those cakes. When the cakes sit on the perlite the moisture from the cakes gets sucked out by the perlite.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22502483 - 11/09/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey! So do you take the lid off at least once a day and fan it?  I say that because you may not be getting enough FAE( Fresh Air Exchange)





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Fanning is not FAE.





To expand a bit more: All those holes that should be in your SGFC, or the six holes that should be in your monotub are what gives you the FAE. Air is drawn through them and recycled many times every hour. This helps keep carbon dioxide and oxygen in proper balance throughout the growing cycle. Fanning provides some air exchange, but unless you are doing it every 10-15 minutes it won't be enough. The purpose of fanning is to help moisture evaporate from the cakes, which is one of many pinning triggers.

In summary, for a SGFC, you want a lot of small holes to promote air exchange and want to fan at least a couple times per day to encourage more pinning. Good luck though, I'm all for experimenting and seeing what works. Helps to have a solid knowledge base of the standard teks though. More important than just following the teks blindly is understanding the "why" behind each step if you really want to learn and expand the knowledge base of the community as a whole. Otherwise you're just throwing shit at a wall.

TC's feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still in the learning process, actually simmering bird seed for my first grain and monotub grow as I type :grin:


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shabs]
    #22503531 - 11/10/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I second the humidity on substrate level. Took me my first two times winging it before i looked it up and figured out thats where my eff up was.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22503848 - 11/10/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I  would suggest building a proper SGFC and using the humidifier as a supplement.

So when your peerlite and cakes look dry, turn your humidifier on for about 5-10 minutes to get everything wet again, then turn it off.

The perlite and cakes will dry out in 1-2 days, depending on ambient conditions in your room.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22504189 - 11/10/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if you have a properly built sgfc then a humidifier is not needed.

Also the current setup has no where near enough perlite....you can see the bottom of the tub in the pics.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: psilobob]
    #22504321 - 11/10/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: You want at least 5-6 inches of hydrated perlite.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22504638 - 11/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't bother with the humidifier. From what I have read they cause more issues than anything.
You shouldn't have your cakes directly on the perlite..
Misting THEN fanning 3x a day is much more effective and the evaporation is a major major pin indicator.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Arush]
    #22504914 - 11/10/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The reson that there isn't perlit in some places is because the humidifier used to be in the box but I just haven't evened it all out. And I also have the cakes sitting on mason jar lids


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Re: First timer setup [Re: psilobob]
    #22505103 - 11/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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if you have a properly built sgfc then a humidifier is not needed.

Also the current setup has no where near enough perlite....you can see the bottom of the tub in the pics.




It seems to me that the humidifer could do the work that misting does.

Or is that an incorrect assumption?

the alternative is to run the humidifer outside the SGFC one or two times a day if his room gets dry then add more perlite to his SGFC.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22506106 - 11/10/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So is it necessary to most and have a humidifier?


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Re: First timer setup [Re: Shreality]
    #22506117 - 11/10/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

pf-tek just mist the cakes and perlite when the cakes no longer glisten with moisture.
no humidifier.


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Re: First timer setup [Re: spacechildo]
    #22506292 - 11/10/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok well I already have a humidifier so would both do more damage than good?


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